i have an e-commerce question for you webmasters..!

[ace0r]

well porn has been paying my bills and providing me with a nice lifestyle for the past 3 years, but now that i've saved up enough to pay for school, & i need some advice.. i'm 21, have about 2 years of college under my belt.. and im going back to a private college (DePaul out in chicago)school starts april first and i chose e-commerce as my major.. depauls one of about 45 schools to offer e-commerce as an undergrad degree, but i wanted to know what you big shots think of the e-commerce world? with all the tech stocks going down and stuff is e-commerce a good choice? do you think e-business will decline in upcoming years? i'm a newbie to this board but you guys have been very helpful with my other questions and if you have any comments or opinons about e-commerce please leave a post!
thanks alot
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[Gemini]

Tell us about the nasdaq declines! Lost some cash there but we're holding tight. All booms decline and level out..& rebound.

Go for it. You're young enough to prosper when it all balances and it WILL. Ppl in general are lazy and if they can buy online they will! Ex of laziness...

Name the #1 reason ppl are getting viruses. Ans: too lazy to LOOK for porn... SO (lazy here and not reading the names of files) they rip open anything they think might show tit and BOOM! lmao We make good $$ from ppl repairing their systems. When quieried what happened they answer just that.

The online sales will get crazy within the next cpl years.
Have fun, study hard and be ready to be worth a fortune when you graduate. Luck in your late night studies!!

[This message has been edited by Gemini (edited 02-15-2001).]

[ace0r]

thnx gemini does any1 else have any input?

[JT]

Knowledge is power man. I have several Degrees and I still want to get more... They can only help you.

Something you might want to consider though...
find out what someone is making dollar wise
with a degree in web commerece as opposed to other degrees then make your decision. In other words start by deciding where you want to end up. Then figure out how to get there...

Hope this helps

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[ace0r]

see JT, thats the reason why i chose it in the first place, the average salary i looked up came out to 78,000 but that is for now, but im getting scared because of the posibility that e-commerce might start declining, like comparing all the online shops that opened up and are going belly up now.. man deceiding on a future is a pain in the asss! but true knowledge is power and in this day and age a college degree is a must!!

[Gemini]

The prob with the going belly up was they went too big too quick. Charged hell with a glass of water as the old man puts it. lol We just bought scads of etoy on a hunch that they will pull up. Look at the history of any top business. They climb steadily. You have to protect the capital!

[boneprone]

Dont waste your time going to school for that shit.. Learn it on your own, and get a real degree like in business or accounting or somethin. Learn the e-shit on your own.. You gotta wonder why someone so good at ecomerence would be wasting his time teaching in the university.. Most of the people who teach in schools are people who couldnt catch a break in the real world.. And its disturbing if you really want them teaching you when they are where they are.

What the hell could they be teaching you that you couldnt learn on your own.

Learn how to run a bussiness, thats what soo many of these tec geeks dont know how to do.. They have the tec knowledge, but these people dont know how to run a bussiness. Learn how to run a bussiness form the bottom up.. ANd learn the tech stuff on your own.. The majority of these real successful bussiness owners all have bussiness backgrounds, and learned the tech shit on their own.. Trust me, the e-comerence stuff is stuff you can learn on your own, and many people have.. The most valuable tool is learning how to run a bussiness, and soo many of these geeks dont know how to and thats what we are seeing soo much of today.

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[wolfshade]

I agree the real deal is the best school you could wish for!

You can't learn how to do it by getting a degree, only experience will teach you.


Boneprone you are 100% correct

Wolfshade


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[drunkenasshole]

ace0r, as you can probably tell by bone's post, he's an uneducated bastard.
e-commerce is one of the booming fields right now. 78,000$ is actually off the mark, it is close to 90 thou straight out of college with a lot of room to grow.
Congrats on getting into depaul, and i think its great that porn provided you with the means to pay for a school like that because at 20,000 a year (is it at 20 for tuition or did it go up even more?) not a lot of people can do that. Just look up the facts and dig into it deeper. Most companies want to get rid of the middle-man and hey stores are it. What better way to sell your stuff than the net? Cheaper prices if you buy direct, so it's better to buy direct, and pay for shipping than to buy at a marked up price plus tax. That's where e-commerce comes in. Maybe bone doesn't know the meaning of the term, or maybe he's posting to get his free content, whatever the case is i hate idiots that misguide. You ARE shit without an education.

[fireinmypants]

LOL bone, you are a fucking idiot... accounting is a real degree??? and you compare accounting to e-commerce?? hahahah what a fucking moron.. ace0r stick with e-commerce,, pick up worth or forbes and you'll know exactly what i'm talking about. i agree with drunken, uneducated bastards shouldn't misguide the youth.

[Moose]

Drunkenasshole

"You ARE shit without an education. "

That is the biggest drunken crock of shit i have ever heard.
Do yourself a favor....find as many successful people (business owners,large bank account,minimal debt..whatever) as you can , ask them if they went to college, see what the answers are. You will be in for an eye opening.
I personally have many friends who went to college for years, they got out with a huge amount of debt, wich they will spend the next 5-15 years paying off(sometimes its not far from retirement time). Just to have a crappy job that pays them $500 a week..and probably be that way for the rest of their miserable lives.There are exceptions to this, but it is few.
College does not teach you to be successful
It teaches you how to get a job so you can pay back your student loans and credit card debt you accumulated while attending.

Now not saying college is bad for everyone,it is great for some! but a majority would have been better off getting a job out of highschool and they would have been just as well off.
here are some famous authors who dropped out

Glad these guys dropped out
Bill Gates (Microsoft) dropped out of Harvard, 1976
Steve Jobs (Apple, NeXT, Pixar) left Reed College in Portland, Oregon, after 1 semester
Steve Wozniak (with Jobs, founded Apple Computer)
Lawrence Ellison (Oracle Computer)
Michael Dell (Dell Computer) dropped out of the University of Texas


Point is...........there are people who are "the" shit without a colledge education

[fireinmypants]

Moose..

In the US Microsoft has 27,249 employees
Dell has 39,000 worldwide
oracle- 43000 worldwide , 21000 US

Exactly what percentage of these employees have a college degree?

Take a wild guess?

Do you honestly think any of these companies hire people without a college education?

Well..sure they do.. if you want to work in packaging or if you want to to some shipping, maybe some inventory?

So yea the founders didnt go to college, and hey power to them.. but do you honestly think they hire people who "learned it on thier own" without a college degree? HELL NO.

Will you even get an interview with out a degree hanging on your wall? Sure to clean some toilets, maybe restock the vending machines.

Americans are lazy. I am proud to be an American but we are still lazy. Do you know what an H1-Visa is? The government had to 'bend' the rules to get more foreign workers into this country, want to know why?? There are so many technology jobs like software, and engineering jobs that are left unfilled because the education isnt there. 70-90,000 jobs just sitting there waiting to be filled but we can't handle it. Technology based companies are importing 80,000 extra workers from other countries to fill in software programming, web design, systems engineering.. the list goes on. We are providing more jobs then we can fill. Education is key in this day and age. Take India for example.. it is a poor country, but according to forbes, within 10 years India's Banglore area will surpass the United States silicon valley because any tech degree is a gold mine and they are taking full advantage of it. People need a slap in the face to be aware of what's going on.

ace0r, stick with e-commerce bud, its one of the highest paying comp. feilds out there. My wife is on the chair for Oracle's recruiting branch in the midwest and said that there are actually less than 40 schools in the U.S. that offer e-commerce as an undergrad and to take FULL advantage of DePaul. I am going to e-mail you some statistics of e-commerce related job hires from DePaul grads for the year 2000.. i think it'll put a smile on your face

by the way moose you spelled college wrong

[Dyanna]

Anyone who makes their career decision based upon the average salary is going to be one very unhappy person.

Really, while there is a lot of argument going on here, there are merits to both sides. It all depends on exactly what you want to do and who you want to work for. You'll be unable to even submit a resume without a college degree for some jobs, while other people could care less. And quite honestly the only time your degree or what college you attended is REALLY inportant is for your first job out of school.

And don't kid yourself . . . a good business background is very important. I'd recommend at least a minor in it, if not a double major if school is your choice.

Personally, I have a business degree, but if I could do it all over again I'd have probably just taken community college courses in accounting, business, and computer fields.

David

[boneprone]

Exactly.. I have masters in information systems, and I know tons of people with the same degree that are doing very very well working for other people like the large companies that were mentioned earlier in the thread.. Even I tried working for others after getting out of school, but like I said the people I was working for were people that were brillant when it came to tech stuff, but were idiots when it came down to basic bussiness.. You see a lot of this.. Teckies opening up bussinesses trying to make it big, and loosing everything, because they have no bussiness sence..

So if you are the type of person that enjoys working for others, or for a large company, then more power to ya, but if you are like me and enjoy owning your own company like tons of these computer educated geeks have tried doing, then I wish you and all the others out there to do so without any bussiness training and education..

You can see with your own eyes with the market today that there is a lack of good leadership in the tech sector with exception to the large companies.. Do you relaize how many tech companies went under last year alone? These companies were full of brillant computer knowledgeably people, but bussiness wise they were no more educated than highschool students.. It is survival of the fittest, and if you want to survive you must be smart, or in many people's cases, be smart and work for a large company.. But like I said, if you ever want to succeed in your own bussiness, the computer science education alone wont help you nearly as much as bussiness sence will.

Trust me..
And as for you tech geeks steping up and questioning me, telling me Im shit here on this board. Im willing to assume the amount of money I bet in one day on just one game to throw away is more than you make in a month.. So gofuckyourself.

[Rictor]

If you want a degree that will quarantee you a job when you graduate, major in computer programming and take lots of Internet focused classes such as CGI, java, flash, etc. Most languages used these days are based on C and fairly easy to learn.

The degree you don't want is the one I have...English...heh...

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[boneprone]

but you speak it so well!

[NightLizard]

hey, if I was you I would go to school and start looking into the fields related, you can asire to be a cio, go check out one of their magazines at cio.com to give you an idea of what the job entails, but basically it's the most senior techniacl job in a company. They make a shitload of cash. That's what I am aiming for, but I am in school for traditional marketing right now.

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