German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is a traitor

[Hind]

For the D-Day memorial ceremonies he went to the Allied graveyard... but he refused to go to the German graveyard to visit his own people! But a fucking traitor... i mean Adolf Hitler is not buried there, there are 20's year old kids who happened to were born in Germany and assigned to the Normandy beaches that day...

Gerhard Schroeder makes me sick

[polish_aristocrat]

It's a good thing, to him for that.

I am serious

[Babaganoosh]

Yeah, we should all mourn the deaths of the poor nazi soldiers.

[Goose]

It's not that easy to handle this situation...
consider it like this: Germans are not proud of what they've done. Coz they were the responsibles for all pain.
Now just hear what Schroeder's saying. He's just speaking over there in France!

[Corleone]

are you stupid?

he visitied a graveyard with deaths from all countries (+ a few hundred germans)

right thing

[donnie]

Originally posted by Hind
For the D-Day memorial ceremonies he went to the Allied graveyard... but he refused to go to the German graveyard to visit his own people! But a fucking traitor... i mean Adolf Hitler is not buried there, there are 20's year old kids who happened to were born in Germany and assigned to the Normandy beaches that day...

Gerhard Schroeder makes me sick

He is a fucking asshole. He dosen't want to piss of fucking americans. And what the fuck is that idiot Bush doing in France anyway?? I tought he didn't liked "old" Europe.

[DaLord]

Hind,

That is by God one stupid post but I wouldn't have expected less from you.
Of course he shouldn't go to their graves. He was lucky they even allowed him in there.

[tranza]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Yeah, we should all mourn the deaths of the poor nazi soldiers.

[donnie]

Originally posted by Goose
It's not that easy to handle this situation...
consider it like this: Germans are not proud of what they've done. Coz they were the responsibles for all pain.
Now just hear what Schroeder's saying. He's just speaking over there in France!

Could you be anymore brainwashed???

[PenisFace]

To many people associate the wermacht with being Nazi's. For the most part, the wermacht was made up of draftee's, many of whom didn't want to be there, and weren't friendly to the nazi cause.

On another note, a girl I've been talking to lately turns out to be a white supremist... What do I do?

[Hind]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Yeah, we should all mourn the deaths of the poor nazi soldiers.

Thats not the point... he is the leader of GERMANY and there are germans buried there, so its clear what he had to do. Were they less germans because they fought the Allies? Besides, most of the people buried in the german cemetary were regular wehrmacht soldiers, there are non or little SS soldiers there, who you can say were the real nazis.

[kmanrox]

it's not like most of the kids had any choice....

do you think all of the american troops in iraq think they should be there or believe in the motives of bush? i doubt it.

[donnie]

Originally posted by Hind
Thats not the point... he is the leader of GERMANY and there are germans buried there, so its clear what he had to do. Were they less germans because they fought the Allies? Besides, most of the people buried in the german cemetary were regular wehrmacht soldiers, there are non or little SS soldiers there, who you can say were the real nazis.

You can't argue with stupid americans. According to them, they liberated Eruope.

I think they practice selective teaching of history in USA schooles.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally posted by Hind
Thats not the point... he is the leader of GERMANY and there are germans buried there, so its clear what he had to do. Were they less germans because they fought the Allies? Besides, most of the people buried in the german cemetary were regular wehrmacht soldiers, there are non or little SS soldiers there, who you can say were the real nazis.

Hitler was the worst thing that happened to Europe in the 20th century.

Sure, many young people in Germany don't feel guilty for World War II anymore, but many people still do feel.

And they are happy that Germany lost that war.

[BigFish]

Originally posted by donnie
You can't argue with stupid americans. According to them, they liberated Eruope.

I think they practice selective teaching of history in USA schooles.

According to "them"? Notable quotes from today's D-Day ceremony.

?Britain had been directly threatened by the enemy, but you came across the Atlantic from the relative security of your homeland to fight for the freedom of Europe,? - Queen Elizabeth II

?France will never forget. It will never forget those men who made the supreme sacrifice to liberate our soil, our native land, our continent, from the yoke of Nazi barbarity and its murderous folly. Nor will it ever forget its debt to America, its everlasting friend.? - French President Jacques Chirac

[Goose]

Originally posted by donnie
Could you be anymore brainwashed???

what kind of brainwash you retard?

[cayne]

Dunno what he did, but SPD is def. the wrong party for germany...We need STOIBER! :>

[Hind]

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Hitler was the worst thing that happened to Europe in the 20th century.

Sure, many young people in Germany don't feel guilty for World War II anymore, but many people still do feel.

And they are happy that Germany lost that war.

And what has to do with anything? Im talking about 20 year old german kids who died on those days in France. Just kids that had dreams like you... they dont deserve some respect from the current German leader?

Besides, Napoleon can be very much compared for the 19th century, to what Hitler done to Europe in the 20th century. And i saw a lot of french graveyards across europe, as far as in Russia, with french soldiers from the Napoleon wars... DeGaulle and other french leaders always paid them a visit when travelling abroad.

[baddog]

Originally posted by PenisFace

On another note, a girl I've been talking to lately turns out to be a white supremist... What do I do?

Fuck her, then tell her your grand-father was a black Catholic, and your grandmother was a Jew

[PenisFace]

Originally posted by baddog
Fuck her, then tell her your grand-father was a black Catholic, and your grandmother was a Jew

She's nice, as long as she isnt talking about race and all that crap.

[Linguist]

"Britain had been directly threatened by the enemy, but you came across the Atlantic from the relative security of your homeland to fight for the freedom of Europe,? - Queen Elizabeth II"

Quite funny: Americans didn't seem to give a shit about the war until Nazis sunk one of their ships.

Also, those who say that Europe was liberated by Americans, please read some fucking history.

They did aid financially, but it was the blood of Europeans (most notably ex-USSR) that drove the Nazis back to Berlin.

[baddog]

Originally posted by BigFish
According to "them"? Notable quotes from today's D-Day ceremony.

?Britain had been directly threatened by the enemy, but you came across the Atlantic from the relative security of your homeland to fight for the freedom of Europe,? - Queen Elizabeth II

?France will never forget. It will never forget those men who made the supreme sacrifice to liberate our soil, our native land, our continent, from the yoke of Nazi barbarity and its murderous folly. Nor will it ever forget its debt to America, its everlasting friend.? - French President Jacques Chirac

ummm, did I understand? what part of that isn't true (except for France forgetting)?

[BigFish]

Originally posted by Sjelefall
"Britain had been directly threatened by the enemy, but you came across the Atlantic from the relative security of your homeland to fight for the freedom of Europe,? - Queen Elizabeth II"

Quite funny: Americans didn't seem to give a shit about the war until Nazis sunk one of their ships.

Also, those who say that Europe was liberated by Americans, please read some fucking history.

They did aid financially, but it was the blood of Europeans (most notably ex-USSR) that drove the Nazis back to Berlin.

So you're basically saying the two leaders that were quoted above were WRONG in front of billions of people worldwide and you, as a GFY poster, are RIGHT? That's a laugh.

[BigFish]

Originally posted by baddog
ummm, did I understand? what part of that isn't true (except for France forgetting)?

English please. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Jon]

Originally posted by Hind
And what has to do with anything? Im talking about 20 year old german kids who died on those days in France. Just kids that had dreams like you... they dont deserve some respect from the current German leader?

You are a fucking idiot. If they were on the beach that day, you can damn well bet they were manning machine guns that were mowing down the oncomming Americans during the invasion. They weren't just watching and there at the wrong place at the wrong time. They were killed for a fucking reason, and that reason was because they were Nazis trying to kill Allied troops. Do they deserved to be remembered as innocent or kids? Fuck no. Let them rot forever. High five to Gerhard.

[donnie]

Originally posted by BigFish
According to "them"? Notable quotes from today's D-Day ceremony.

?Britain had been directly threatened by the enemy, but you came across the Atlantic from the relative security of your homeland to fight for the freedom of Europe,? - Queen Elizabeth II

?France will never forget. It will never forget those men who made the supreme sacrifice to liberate our soil, our native land, our continent, from the yoke of Nazi barbarity and its murderous folly. Nor will it ever forget its debt to America, its everlasting friend.? - French President Jacques Chirac

Just a quick history lesson for you:

On D-day germany had only 27 divisions in France and they could only deploy 15 in Normandie. This because of situation on the east front. That year german 6th army was destroyed in Stalingrad and German armored forces was almost destroyed in battle at Kursk. Germany had 140 divisions on the east front at the time wich is 75% of all german forces.

And on D-day, russians were already in the Warzava.

Americans didn't liberated Europe. Russians did. All this bullshit about celebrateing D-day is just american attempt to show the world how "good" they are.

[genomega]

Originally posted by donnie
He is a fucking asshole. He dosen't want to piss of fucking americans. And what the fuck is that idiot Bush doing in France anyway?? I tought he didn't liked "old" Europe.

The US owns that part of France.

[BigFish]

Originally posted by donnie
Just a quick history lesson for you:

On D-day germany had only 27 divisions in France and they could only deploy 15 in Normandie. This because of situation on the east front. That year german 6th army was destroyed in Stalingrad and German armored forces was almost destroyed in battle at Kursk. Germany had 140 divisions on the east front at the time wich is 75% of all german forces.

And on D-day, russians were already in the Warzava.

Americans didn't liberated Europe. Russians did. All this bullshit about celebrateing D-day is just american attempt to show the world how "good" they are.

History lesson for me? Why? I didn't make any "statements" on history, did I? Scroll back and read my post more thoroughly. Why waste your time writing all that? Maybe you should dig up some information on why France's president Chirac and the Queen interprets things differently than you? It would be more relevant to this argument, don't you think?

[donnie]

Originally posted by genomega
The US owns that part of France.

Well, hopefully we can bury many more of you idiots there. Or in Iraq

[donnie]

Originally posted by BigFish
History lesson for me? Why? I didn't make any "statements" on history, did I? Scroll back and read my post more thoroughly. Why waste your time writing all that? Maybe you should dig up some information on why France's president Chirac and the Queen interprets things differently than you? It would be more relevant to this argument, don't you think?

Like I said this is just attempt to brainwash more people. Why the fuck should I remeber couple of thousand americans??? What about 25 milion russians who died liberating Europe???

Chirac and Queen can say what they want. Here in Europe we know the history by ourselves. we don't need somebody else to tell us what happened.

[BigFish]

Originally posted by donnie
Like I said this is just attempt to brainwash more people. Why the fuck should I remeber couple of thousand americans??? What about 25 milion russians who died liberating Europe???

Chirac and Queen can say what they want. Here in Europe we know the history by ourselves. we don't need somebody else to tell us what happened.

Helpful tip to you: Chirac and the Queen are in EUROPE. You can thank me later.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by donnie
Just a quick history lesson for you:

On D-day germany had only 27 divisions in France and they could only deploy 15 in Normandie. This because of situation on the east front. That year german 6th army was destroyed in Stalingrad and German armored forces was almost destroyed in battle at Kursk. Germany had 140 divisions on the east front at the time wich is 75% of all german forces.

And on D-day, russians were already in the Warzava.

Americans didn't liberated Europe. Russians did. All this bullshit about celebrateing D-day is just american attempt to show the world how "good" they are.

A quick history lesson for you. Most of the german army was decimated by the winter weather and no supplies... not by fighting poor Russian kids, with no weapons or no bullets, ordered by their officers to run unarmed into combat.

When Germany invaded... Russia had no armor. Russia had no artillery (what they had was outdated and innefective). Russia had no real air force. Russia still had calvery when Germans rolled in with Tanks and began decimating them.

Germany was defeated by breaking the cardinal rule of war and fighting on several fronts at once... not because Russia did anything. If Russia was so awesome and powerful, why was St Petersburg blockaded for 3 years (over 900 days) with people starving to death and eating each other?

Russia lost 30-40-50 million people... that is only a victory to the mathematically challenged.

[svenski]

Amazing some of the stuff here - Donnie !

Schroeder has to take a delicate line . This is the D-Day celebrations - 60 years since the liberation of Western Europe from GERMANY.

The cemetery he avoided had graves belonging to Waffen SS. Imagine the headlines.

As for comments like "Russia liberated everything, America did nothing" - imagine what it would be like if all of Europe had ended up under Stalin. What a fucking party.

Don't write shit showing that you are a 15th year old on today of all days. Sure the Americans arrived late but don't mouth off and disrespect those who died doing their bit so that you could sit here today writing as much crap as you like without fear of persecution.

[jukeboxfrank]

Hey Donnie all I can say is GFY hard

[Jon]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays
Russia lost 30-40-50 million people... that is only a victory to the mathematically challenged.

It was a little over 14 Million total I think.. Germany lost a few million as well.

[TheJimmy]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays
A quick history lesson for you. Most of the german army was decimated by the winter weather and no supplies... not by fighting poor Russian kids, with no weapons or no bullets, ordered by their officers to run unarmed into combat.

When Germany invaded... Russia had no armor. Russia had no artillery (what they had was outdated and innefective). Russia had no real air force. Russia still had calvery when Germans rolled in with Tanks and began decimating them.

Germany was defeated by breaking the cardinal rule of war and fighting on several fronts at once... not because Russia did anything. If Russia was so awesome and powerful, why was St Petersburg blockaded for 3 years (over 900 days) with people starving to death and eating each other?

Russia lost 30-40-50 million people... that is only a victory to the mathematically challenged.

you Sir are right on the money with that followup...thanks for saving me some typing...



on a side note, if it comes to a matter of who should be honored for dying in a war, well I'd say EVERYONE that was on the right side, and even those that were coerced into fighting for the wrong side...they were also victims in that madness...

we can argue about who gets more brownie points or we can realize that war is nasty no matter what.... and that to say one side is more worthy of praise than the other is just plain ignorant and childish....

[frank7799]

Originally posted by donnie
Just a quick history lesson for you:

On D-day germany had only 27 divisions in France and they could only deploy 15 in Normandie. This because of situation on the east front. That year german 6th army was destroyed in Stalingrad and German armored forces was almost destroyed in battle at Kursk. Germany had 140 divisions on the east front at the time wich is 75% of all german forces.

And on D-day, russians were already in the Warzava.

Americans didn't liberated Europe. Russians did. All this bullshit about celebrateing D-day is just american attempt to show the world how "good" they are.

Russia´s intention was so damned liberate, that they devided Eastern Europe into to parts - a german occupied and a russian occupied one:

they called it the "Hitler - Stalin - Pakt". (1939-08-23)

http://www.dhm.de/sammlungen/zendok/...t/Dokument.htm

[biglou]

He may be a traitor, but Schroeder was a damn good piano player!

[Webby]

Oh sheesh! We have a load of kids "debating"/condemning/praising" something they never participated in and creating their own personal keyboard war!!

Bottom line? It does not matter!! The only thing that matters is future generation actually learn something and, without getting into an agressive frenzy, make sure this does not happen again.

Peace out!

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by m4yadult
Russia´s intention was so damned liberate, that they devided Eastern Europe into to parts - a german occupied and a russian occupied one:

they called it the "Hitler - Stalin - Pakt". (1939-08-23)

http://www.dhm.de/sammlungen/zendok/...t/Dokument.htm

haha another brilliant point about Russian's "liberation of Europe"... Stalin signed a treaty with Hitler to divide up Poland as long as Stalin did not object to Germany invading and occupying Poland.

[Webby]

biglou:

He may be a traitor, but Schroeder was a damn good piano player!

He good at tinkling on these ivories then??

[donnie]

Originally posted by svenski
Amazing some of the stuff here - Donnie !

Schroeder has to take a delicate line . This is the D-Day celebrations - 60 years since the liberation of Western Europe from GERMANY.

The cemetery he avoided had graves belonging to Waffen SS. Imagine the headlines.

As for comments like "Russia liberated everything, America did nothing" - imagine what it would be like if all of Europe had ended up under Stalin. What a fucking party.

Don't write shit showing that you are a 15th year old on today of all days. Sure the Americans arrived late but don't mouth off and disrespect those who died doing their bit so that you could sit here today writing as much crap as you like without fear of persecution.

WOW!

I don't even want to argue with you. This is one of the dumbest posts on GFY. EVER.

[donnie]

Originally posted by jukeboxfrank
Hey Donnie all I can say is GFY hard

I can fuck your mother hard

[donnie]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays
A quick history lesson for you. Most of the german army was decimated by the winter weather and no supplies... not by fighting poor Russian kids, with no weapons or no bullets, ordered by their officers to run unarmed into combat.

When Germany invaded... Russia had no armor. Russia had no artillery (what they had was outdated and innefective). Russia had no real air force. Russia still had calvery when Germans rolled in with Tanks and began decimating them.

Germany was defeated by breaking the cardinal rule of war and fighting on several fronts at once... not because Russia did anything. If Russia was so awesome and powerful, why was St Petersburg blockaded for 3 years (over 900 days) with people starving to death and eating each other?

Russia lost 30-40-50 million people... that is only a victory to the mathematically challenged.

Where did you learn your history??? Watching "Enemy at the gates" or something like that???

So who defeted Japan?? Japan kicked americas ass in the begining of the war.

Russia, just like USA. wasen't prepared in the begining of the war. But in 1943 russia had 5:1 superiority in armor and 3:1 in the air.

German 6th army, wich was the best wermacht had, was destroyd at Stalingrad along with Italian 1st army and Rumanina 2nd army. 8 russian armies surrounded them and forced them to surrender. This was begining of the end for Germany. Not fucking D-day

By the way, it was 6th army that conquerd France and BeNeLux. Hitler braged that he could "conquer heaven" with 6th army. And americans never had to fight them. Russians did.

[marko13]

maybe he did right in some way.... and maybe he didn't...

[Jensen]

do the fighting on another day.. remember the thousands that fell today..

[Lifer]

Originally posted by donnie
You can't argue with stupid americans. According to them, they liberated Eruope.

I think they practice selective teaching of history in USA schooles.

Learn some fucking history be fore you show how stupid you are.

[Hind]

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
You are a fucking idiot. If they were on the beach that day, you can damn well bet they were manning machine guns that were mowing down the oncomming Americans during the invasion. They weren't just watching and there at the wrong place at the wrong time. They were killed for a fucking reason, and that reason was because they were Nazis trying to kill Allied troops. Do they deserved to be remembered as innocent or kids? Fuck no. Let them rot forever. High five to Gerhard.

You are the only idiot here... why don't use your brains (if any) instead of insult me? There was a fucking war out there. Of course the germans were behind machine guns aiming at the beaches... just the same way the allies were behind their own guns aiming at the germans. Again, what that has to do with anything?

According to your logic, we shouldnt be remembering the allied soldiers as well. Wrong, we should be remembering everyone who died that day, no matter the country of origin.

[Rochard]

The United States didn't liberate Europe from the Nazis?

The United States entered WWII and invaded Europe becuase our allies were getting their asses kicked. France, Italy, Albaina, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary Austria, Belgium, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Norway were all under Nazi control as of June 1944.

The only country with the balls enough to stand up to it was England. Mother Russia - with all of it's vast countryside and nearly unlimited resources - had sided with Germany, and then was attacked by Nazi Germany. Russia lost nearly 1/3 of it's country to Germany - and millions and millions of their men.

Of course, The United States was a bit busy fighting it's own war in the Pacific in which no one was helping us. At the same time we contined to supply our allies in Europe with tanks, ships, planes - and men.

What would have happened if the United States didn't open up a second front in Europe? The combined forces of the US, England, and Cananda allowed Russia to fight off the attack deep into their country because Germany was forced to defend itself on two fronts.

If it wasn't for the United States and the combined forces that invaded the coast of France during D-Day, Europe would be under the control of Nazi Germany today - or worse, it would have been part of Russia.

[CamChicks]

Hitler would have been powerless if people didn't obey him.

Every unquestioning footsoldier who doesn't exercise his own conscience shares the blame.
Any nationality. Any period in history.