It amazes me how bad all this spyware and ad shit is getting.

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  • juicylinks
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 122992
    #1

    It amazes me how bad all this spyware and ad shit is getting.

    Case and point:

    My cousins laptop weeks ago. Viruses up the ass , spyware up the wazoo. Took me a few hours to clean his shit up.

    Second my mom's pc.

    Fuck man i loaded norton and all that shit and told her about live update and such.

    So i got a call saying pc issues. I go over and see that she has 43 viruses, and god knows the amount of spyware.

    In IE: one popup after another.

    Makes you wonder what the avg pc user with little tech knowledge must go through cause of all this shit.

    Crazy shit but i bet they are making $$$$ off of these spyware exploits.
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    • gornyhuy
      Chafed.
      • May 2002
      • 18041
      #2
      Every non technical person I know with a computer is inundated with spyware and popups and doesn't even realize it. They think the internet is just like that.


      Im SURE the scum are making a lot of coin off of it.

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        • EviLGuY
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2003
          • 12745
          #3
          This happens because people can make a lot of money with it basically.. I think these fuckers should be treated like virus makers.

          Send a few of them to prison for a few years and I bet it all magically stops.. or dies down anyways.

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            • Jace
              FBOP Class Of 2013
              • Jan 2004
              • 35562
              #4
              i even get shit without knowing it, and I don't even download shit.....last night I could not access any companies website that deals with ridding spyware...turns out I had some...and I didn't even know, no signals

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                • BVF
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                  • Jan 2002
                  • 13975
                  #5
                  I've seen people with three different toolbars installed..Another friends computer is moving at a crawl..

                  But sometimes it's the users fault...I gave her my norton CD and she didn't even bother to install it yet.

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                    • juicylinks
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 122992
                      #6
                      Originally posted by JaceXXX
                      i even get shit without knowing it, and I don't even download shit.....last night I could not access any companies website that deals with ridding spyware...turns out I had some...and I didn't even know, no signals
                      somtimes that happens to me too. But at least we have the knowledge of how to get rid of it ....what about the avg Joe who has no clue

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                        • Jace
                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 35562
                          #7
                          Originally posted by juicylinks
                          somtimes that happens to me too. But at least we have the knowledge of how to get rid of it ....what about the avg Joe who has no clue
                          yeah, no shit.....i would hate to be my dad and have to deal with pop up after pop up and think it is normal

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                            • Veterans Day
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 8403
                              #8
                              Originally posted by juicylinks
                              somtimes that happens to me too. But at least we have the knowledge of how to get rid of it ....what about the avg Joe who has no clue
                              almost done, I stand to make some nice coin off infected machines

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                                • {fusion}
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                                  • Sep 2003
                                  • 1650
                                  #9
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                                    • StarkReality
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2004
                                      • 4444
                                      #10
                                      Crazy shit but i bet they are making $$$$ off of these spyware exploits.
                                      Worst thing is this hijacking of affiliate codes, I wouldn't mind them making money, but many do so on our expense

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                                        • EscortBiz
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                                          • May 2002
                                          • 19422
                                          #11
                                          even more amazing is that someone from GFY who use to post here alot is behind all the recent spyware.

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                                            • - Jesus Christ -
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                                              • Mar 2003
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                                              #12
                                              The worse system I've seen was a family of 5 (using one XP home system)..... over 4,600 different spyware/virus defenition triggers on the system.

                                              Im NOT exagerating the figure at all is was actually OVER 4.6K individual files and registry enteries.
                                              Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 06-06-2004, 08:38 AM.

                                              Amen

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                                                • misty_dayz
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                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                  • 475
                                                  #13
                                                  Tell me about it. I have talked to a lot of people who are not computer savvy and their computers are a mess. Hell, even my computer goes down hill if I don't keep on top of it.

                                                  I run Spybot daily (well i try to) and right after I run the one by lavasoft that gets what spybot didn't. I then move on to Spyware Begone for a third and final scan which sometimes picks up something the other three didn't. Then it is on to Norton's...but last week when i was having a problem clearing n-case....an online scanner picked up a trojan that Norton's missed.

                                                  I tell ya, it is getting to be a full time job keeping our three computers clean.

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                                                    • StarkReality
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                                                      • May 2004
                                                      • 4444
                                                      #14
                                                      A man who knows no limits when it comes to making money, I cant wait until I see his name in the news.
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                                                        • tranza
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                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                          • 57559
                                                          #15
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                                                            • escorpio
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                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                              • 23487
                                                              #16
                                                              My father clicks the links in porn spam.
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                                                                • StRoGE
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                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                  • 1713
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Its all money in someones pocket. If the spyware assholes arent making coin, then the computer tech's sure are.
                                                                  Makes you wonder how many people dont know someone with computer knowledge and just take their machines in to get serviced.
                                                                  I guess business is business, but its pretty annoying.
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                                                                    • crockett
                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                      • 76818
                                                                      #18
                                                                      yea it's insane.. I can't believe they are making laws against spam and nothing about spyware. I used to install Broad Band Internet so I worked on a fair share of computer loaded with spyware.

                                                                      I've come across a few computers that ran ok but weren't on the net, then the second to put them on the net they run like shitty because of all the spyware. I used to install and run ad aware for some of them, the record amount of spyware I came across was just over 3k pieces of spyware.
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                                                                        • juicylinks
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                          • 122992
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                          even more amazing is that someone from GFY who use to post here alot is behind all the recent spyware.

                                                                          A man who knows no limits when it comes to making money, I cant wait until I see his name in the news.
                                                                          Yup I know whom you are referring to

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                                                                            • Veterans Day
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                                                                              • Jul 2003
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                                                                                • AdultNex
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                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 8985
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                  yea it's insane.. I can't believe they are making laws against spam and nothing about spyware. I used to install Broad Band Internet so I worked on a fair share of computer loaded with spyware.

                                                                                  I've come across a few computers that ran ok but weren't on the net, then the second to put them on the net they run like shitty because of all the spyware. I used to install and run ad aware for some of them, the record amount of spyware I came across was just over 3k pieces of spyware.
                                                                                  Spyware is being dealt with by Congress:

                                                                                  http://www.google.com/search?q=spywa...utf-8&oe=utf-8

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                                                                                    • C_U_Next_Tuesday
                                                                                      WW4L
                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 10581
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I got rid of all toolbars, they seem to love getting into your system through these things

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                                                                                        • Jace
                                                                                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 35562
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          no sooner did I see this thread and respond to it, I tried to go to all the homepages of the spyware removal tools, and NONE OF THEM WORK

                                                                                          i ran all my spyware programs, and they didn't help....FUCK

                                                                                          time to get workin

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                                                                                            • BlackCrayon
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                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                              • 19634
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                                              even more amazing is that someone from GFY who use to post here alot is behind all the recent spyware.

                                                                                              A man who knows no limits when it comes to making money, I cant wait until I see his name in the news.
                                                                                              didn't he claim to be doing 300k installs per day? if its the same person. there needs to be legislation made against this stuff, spam is nothing compared to how invasive this shit is.
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                                                                                                • Jace
                                                                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                  • 35562
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                  didn't he claim to be doing 300k installs per day? if its the same person. there needs to be legislation made against this stuff, spam is nothing compared to how invasive this shit is.
                                                                                                  no shit man, annoying as hell

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                                                                                                    • Jdoughs
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                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                      • 5794
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                      didn't he claim to be doing 300k installs per day? if its the same person. there needs to be legislation made against this stuff, spam is nothing compared to how invasive this shit is.
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                                                                                                        • stev0
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                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                          • 6801
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I hate spyware... such a pain in the ass. I would never promote any of those lame spyware installs for money

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                                                                                                            • kenny
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                              • 7245
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by AdultNex
                                                                                                              Spyware is being dealt with by Congress:

                                                                                                              http://www.google.com/search?q=spywa...utf-8&oe=utf-8
                                                                                                              Looking at Microsoft protesting agaisnt laws that can help prevent this.

                                                                                                              Good article, BTW
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                                                                                                                • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                  • 5162
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  the spyware that pisses me off the most is that fucking home-network-default shit or however it is put. its spyware that installs without any yes/no trigger and it jacks your homepage into this popup hell... then the main page is a big stop sign that says "Your computer is infected with spyware! Click here to by Spyware Remover!"

                                                                                                                  wtf... is that legal? for a spyware removal company to make spyware to pretty much force people into buying their shit? i mean this is a pain in the ass, everytime you change your homepage, it rejacks it. stupid son of a bitc

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                                                                                                                    • kenny
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                                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                      • 7245
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      It will take congress years to pass a law agaisnt this, mainly because of Microsoft
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                                                                                                                        • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                          Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                          • 19969
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          I've just started using Netscape all the time now and my instances of this shit are now minimal (but I still run spybot every day)

                                                                                                                          I do have the iwon.com toolbar win the rare instances I use IE, but the difference is that I CHOSE to install the toolbar and if I don't like it I can un-install the fucker.

                                                                                                                          I know who escortbiz is talking about and I think I'll go take a shit in their booth at an upcoming show, then of course I'll give them a roll of cheap ass toilet paper to "un-install" the feces...and their booth with still reek of shit...just like their scumware does to peoples' computers.....
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                                                                                                                            • kenny
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                              • 7245
                                                                                                                              #32
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                                                                                                                              But some observers think anti-spyware laws will prohibit legitimate online ads and stifle innovation. "We feel this law will essentially outlaw a perfectly acceptable form of advertising and commerce," says Emily Hackett, executive director of Internet Alliance, a vendor trade association.

                                                                                                                              Advertisers and makers of ad programs want laws to distinguish between spyware and adware. "We agree there is a problem," says Robert Regular, president, Americas, of Cydoor Desktop Media. He notes that spyware installs itself without your consent and tracks your surfing habits so it can target ads.


                                                                                                                              Ban them both!
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                                                                                                                                • DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                  No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 28301
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  The worst case of spyware that i ever encountered was at some website using Porngraph as a counter. It took me 3 days to get my PC back to normal. Bastards

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                                                                                                                                    • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                      Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 19969
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by kenny
                                                                                                                                      http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116356,00.asp

                                                                                                                                      This article is only two days old.

                                                                                                                                      Booting Legit Ads?
                                                                                                                                      But some observers think anti-spyware laws will prohibit legitimate online ads and stifle innovation. "We feel this law will essentially outlaw a perfectly acceptable form of advertising and commerce," says Emily Hackett, executive director of Internet Alliance, a vendor trade association.

                                                                                                                                      Advertisers and makers of ad programs want laws to distinguish between spyware and adware. "We agree there is a problem," says Robert Regular, president, Americas, of Cydoor Desktop Media. He notes that spyware installs itself without your consent and tracks your surfing habits so it can target ads.


                                                                                                                                      Ban them both!
                                                                                                                                      my problem isn't the distinguishing between the two, it's being able to uninstall the shit.........
                                                                                                                                      with spam, you can delete it and move on, with this shit, you have to jump through hoops and it still stays around.....
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                                                                                                                                        • NBDesign
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                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 5814
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          IMO - if i want something... i will find it. I DO NOT need it to be shoved in my face. That shit just pisses me off. If i come across a site with pop-ups... i WILL NOT go back. If someone sends me a gallery with spyware or some pup-up or any other shit like that... that is an automatic ban... NO if and or buts!

                                                                                                                                          People who send out this shit and their fucking spam should ALL be shot.

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                                                                                                                                            • Firehorse
                                                                                                                                              Desire it and have it!!!
                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 30767
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              It's like a plague. I use spybot and avast every day, sometimes I scan twice a day.
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                                                                                                                                                • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                                  Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 19969
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by NBDesign
                                                                                                                                                  IMO - if i want something... i will find it. I DO NOT need it to be shoved in my face. That shit just pisses me off. If i come across a site with pop-ups... i WILL NOT go back. If someone sends me a gallery with spyware or some pup-up or any other shit like that... that is an automatic ban... NO if and or buts!

                                                                                                                                                  People who send out this shit and their fucking spam should ALL be shot.
                                                                                                                                                  wow, you're so pissed off you haven't even fixed your sig

                                                                                                                                                  general pop ups are very much different than this software that auto-installs that you can't take off your machine...
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                                                                                                                                                    • NBDesign
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 5814
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                                      wow, you're so pissed off you haven't even fixed your sig

                                                                                                                                                      general pop ups are very much different than this software that auto-installs that you can't take off your machine...
                                                                                                                                                      Ain't my sig to fix.... it belongs to lensman till dec 04... Not gonna fuck with it.... he paid for it.... it belongs to him... so if that is what he wants... that is how i will leave it.... Till 12/19/04

                                                                                                                                                      yeah.... i know what you are talking about. IE will go to some fucked up site when i get a 404... cannot get rid of that either.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Helix
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                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          I love the spyware and virus, they = $$$
                                                                                                                                                          I always have computers to repair for extra cash.
                                                                                                                                                          If you are sick of fighting with the spyware and virus stop using IE and Outlook. Keep IE loaded on your system so you can review your sites/pages as the surfer sees it, but use mozilla/firefox/opera for your main browser.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Dawgy
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 5856
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              i have four different anti spyware programs that i run every day. when i ran them yesterday my machine was clean.

                                                                                                                                                              and yet last night when i got home from dinner, my homepage was changed, two toolbars were installed and it took me over an hour to get all the shit off my pc....

                                                                                                                                                              ALL THIS WHILE I WASNT EVEN USING THE PC

                                                                                                                                                              what the fuck

                                                                                                                                                              how is this not illegal? i didnt choose to install this shit, i wasnt even here. if i could figure out who it was and how to prove it i would definitely file suit.
                                                                                                                                                              the revolution is coming.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Dawgy
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 5856
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Helix
                                                                                                                                                                  If you are sick of fighting with the spyware and virus stop using IE and Outlook.
                                                                                                                                                                  or switch to Linux or Mac
                                                                                                                                                                  that is no different than terrorism. i shouldnt have to change MY lifestyle just because some scumbag figured out how to make some nice coin off invading peoples homes and computers with unwanted shit.
                                                                                                                                                                  the revolution is coming.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • juanito
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                      this shit always fucked my computer.


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                                                                                                                                                                            • Helix
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                                                                                                                              that is no different than terrorism. i shouldnt have to change MY lifestyle just because some scumbag figured out how to make some nice coin off invading peoples homes and computers with unwanted shit.
                                                                                                                                                                              It was just a suggestion

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                                                                                                                                                                                • jimmyf
                                                                                                                                                                                  OU812
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12651
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by gornyhuy
                                                                                                                                                                                  Every non technical person I know with a computer is inundated with spyware and popups and doesn't even realize it. They think the internet is just like that.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Im SURE the scum are making a lot of coin off of it.
                                                                                                                                                                                  yep Hooper changed his business model 2 scum ware.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • jimmyf
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 12651
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by BVF
                                                                                                                                                                                      I've seen people with three different toolbars installed..Another friends computer is moving at a crawl..

                                                                                                                                                                                      But sometimes it's the users fault...I gave her my norton CD and she didn't even bother to install it yet.
                                                                                                                                                                                      2 funny.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I gave the girl next door some stuff her computer keeps rebooting. Ask her 2 days later if it worked, I don't know have not installed it. I'm not going 2 even try and help her any more.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • jimmyf
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 12651
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                                                                                                                                          even more amazing is that someone from GFY who use to post here alot is behind all the recent spyware.

                                                                                                                                                                                          A man who knows no limits when it comes to making money, I cant wait until I see his name in the news.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Hooper,
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                                              Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 17042
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                                                                                                                                              even more amazing is that someone from GFY who use to post here alot is behind all the recent spyware.

                                                                                                                                                                                              A man who knows no limits when it comes to making money, I cant wait until I see his name in the news.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I could name many that are making big bucks from the ads used in spyware. Many of them are very popular programs that advertise right here at GFY. People that are friends, people that party at the shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I have another system I've been letting my roommate use. The damn thing can barely boot up anymore. I'm going to have to wipe the whole system clean and start again from scratch. It's ridiculous.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I thought about setting up some links to toolbars, etc. Forget it. I can make money without destroying other peoples computers.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • jimmyf
                                                                                                                                                                                                  OU812
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12651
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I could name many that are making big bucks from the ads used in spyware. Many of them are very popular programs that advertise right here at GFY. People that are friends, people that party at the shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have another system I've been letting my roommate use. The damn thing can barely boot up anymore. I'm going to have to wipe the whole system clean and start again from scratch. It's ridiculous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought about setting up some links to toolbars, etc. Forget it. I can make money without destroying other peoples computers.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  it's fucking asswipe Hooper why don't anyone want 2 say Hooper
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sly_RJ
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 17042
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by jimmyf
                                                                                                                                                                                                      it's fucking asswipe Hooper why don't anyone want 2 say Hooper
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hooper isn't the only one. Are you laying all blame on Hooper or are you going to list everyone involved?
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