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Paul Markham · 06-04-2004, 01:02 AM

Got to be honest and say this guy has a cheek.

Tells me he will not buy from me and then asks for my advice. :j:

Quote:

Paul,

First of all, I just viewed your work for the first time and I like what I see. I stumble across your site through the netpond messageboards.

I am also a photographer. I am jumping in the internet softcore porn business. However, I plan on producing all of the content for my future paysites. I am building content as we speak.

I am hoping you can help me out by answering some questions. I will gladly return the favor if I can.

1. Where do you find your models?
I recognize a few but some I have never seen before. I would like to shoot a few for my conent.

2. How much do you pay the models?
What is the standard rate, do you ever get "trades".

I am in Southern California. If you know of any models who canwork cheaply or free, please let me know.

Much appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

My reply

Quote:

Hi Chris
Got to be honest and say you have a lot to learn about business.

How about you tell me how to run a paysite in two years time and I will buy
nothing from you?

Fisrtly we are in Czech, so the models will not be coming to you.

Secondly how I pay models is my business not yours and my rates would not
apply to you in So Cal.

Third, trade what?

Fourth, If you find girls who work for free please be sure to let me know.
Does not sound like you know anything about porn. LOL

Maybe if he had asked on my board I might have been more forgiving.

Fonz · 06-04-2004, 01:03 AM

hehehe, that was harsh Paul :D

MiSsBeHeaDReSs · 06-04-2004, 01:04 AM

nice

ehulk81 · 06-04-2004, 01:09 AM

very nice

graphicsbytia · 06-04-2004, 01:09 AM

yeah, I think perhaps you could have handled that a bit differently..
if it were me, I would have thanked him for the compliment.. patted him on head and sent him on his way with no information..

I mean after all.. he was asking very innapropriate questions.. much the same way a child would.. I don't blame people for being childish.. but I don't like to encourage it either.

graphicsbytia · 06-04-2004, 01:21 AM

One more thing I'd like to add

When you're faced with a situation that makes you angry or annoyed .. and you don't want to just ignore it.. I think it's best to ask yourself, "how can I best profit from this?"

I've fallen back on this idea many times when dealing with difficult people, and asking myself that question always proved to be a good way to decide on how to handle things.

There are times when I've been tempted to sling mud back at someone who just did the same to me.. then I think.. how can I come out on top here?.. slinging mud back is almost never the right answer, because then I loose too.

emthree · 06-04-2004, 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by graphicsbytia
One more thing I'd like to add

When you're faced with a situation that makes you angry or annoyed .. and you don't want to just ignore it.. I think it's best to ask yourself, "how can I best profit from this?"

I've fallen back on this idea many times when dealing with difficult people, and asking myself that question always proved to be a good way to decide on how to handle things.

There are times when I've been tempted to sling mud back at someone who just did the same to me.. then I think.. how can I come out on top here?.. slinging mud back is almost never the right answer, because then I loose too.

Sell them content

graphicsbytia · 06-04-2004, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by emthree
Sell them content

Groove · 06-04-2004, 01:55 AM

Very professional

Paul Markham · 06-04-2004, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
One more thing I'd like to add

When you're faced with a situation that makes you angry or annoyed .. and you don't want to just ignore it.. I think it's best to ask yourself, "how can I best profit from this?"

I've fallen back on this idea many times when dealing with difficult people, and asking myself that question always proved to be a good way to decide on how to handle things.

There are times when I've been tempted to sling mud back at someone who just did the same to me.. then I think.. how can I come out on top here?.. slinging mud back is almost never the right answer, because then I loose too.

My reply to his reply.

Quote:

Go hang around the boards for 6 months, read, ask questions and learn.

You are a long way from making money in Internet porn and would be better
off buying content in the beginning.
The time spent learning how to shoot soft porn, finding and paying models
good enough will make your whole venture a loser.
You can buy in a set that's good enough for Penthouse for $30 to $40, why
waste a day shooting and paying a model $500

Be a shooter or run a website, you can't do both.
The girls may exchange pics for their websites but if you try publishing
them they will sue you.

Do you know about 2257 documentation?

Teling him he's better off buying stuff that shooting it.

Yes I'm harsh.

Lensman can you tell me how to run a paysite business.

pimplink · 06-04-2004, 02:23 AM

Well, Paul...Chris better be thankful cuz atleast you tasught him few things he should know before starting in this business...and that is to be firm and strong...with guts and ass.

I often wonder why people can be so ignorant...like Hello...Earth to Chris...wake up and smell the coffee.Grow up before entering this business .

beemk · 06-04-2004, 02:24 AM

im sure at your age it would take some viagra....

Mutt · 06-04-2004, 02:28 AM

oh great, another guy in L.A. who wants to be a pussy photographer - tell him to fuck off, he has as much chance of becoming successful shooting softcore nudes in L.A. as I have of screwing Angelina Jolie, or Ginger Jolie for that matter, or Justine Jolie or any other Jolie.

Paul Markham · 06-04-2004, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
oh great, another guy in L.A. who wants to be a pussy photographer - tell him to fuck off, he has as much chance of becoming successful shooting softcore nudes in L.A. as I have of screwing Angelina Jolie, or Ginger Jolie for that matter, or Justine Jolie or any other Jolie.

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink
Well, Paul...Chris better be thankful cuz atleast you tasught him few things he should know before starting in this business...and that is to be firm and strong...with guts and ass.

I often wonder why people can be so ignorant...like Hello...Earth to Chris...wake up and smell the coffee.Grow up before entering this business .

Come on you two stop pussy footing around and tell us what you think.

Paul Markham · 06-04-2004, 04:14 AM

He's actually written back and said I was right and thanked me for my honsty. I think we are sometimes a little too nice to new guys, which makes it al look very easy.

Lifer · 06-04-2004, 04:16 AM

There's a couple of ways to take it.

I think you should be flattered that he thought you were one of the "best" and wanted advice from "The Man" himself.

Maybe he should have been honest and just said, Paul... I don't know shit... but I want to. Will you teach me, or at least get me pointed in the right direction.

I've seen you give good advice before.

That's why I buy from you and don't even go near a camera

JFK · 06-04-2004, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
oh great, another guy in L.A. who wants to be a pussy photographer - tell him to fuck off, he has as much chance of becoming successful shooting softcore nudes in L.A. as I have of screwing Angelina Jolie, or Ginger Jolie for that matter, or Justine Jolie or any other Jolie.

Jolie Good

Paul Markham · 06-04-2004, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
There's a couple of ways to take it.

I think you should be flattered that he thought you were one of the "best" and wanted advice from "The Man" himself.

Maybe he should have been honest and just said, Paul... I don't know shit... but I want to. Will you teach me, or at least get me pointed in the right direction.

I've seen you give good advice before.

That's why I buy from you and don't even go near a camera

Good point, just don't have time to do my job let alone teach someone for free. I did point him at the boards.

graphicsbytia · 06-04-2004, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
My reply to his reply.

Teling him he's better off buying stuff that shooting it.

Yes I'm harsh.

Lensman can you tell me how to run a paysite business.

quote:
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Go hang around the boards for 6 months, read, ask questions and learn.

You are a long way from making money in Internet porn and would be better
off buying content in the beginning.
The time spent learning how to shoot soft porn, finding and paying models
good enough will make your whole venture a loser.
You can buy in a set that's good enough for Penthouse for $30 to $40, why
waste a day shooting and paying a model $500

Be a shooter or run a website, you can't do both.
The girls may exchange pics for their websites but if you try publishing
them they will sue you.

Do you know about 2257 documentation?
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well now Paul, you didn't show us that part last night..

now you're talking!

If this guy ever buys content.. he'll sure buy it from you

graphicsbytia · 06-04-2004, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
He's actually written back and said I was right and thanked me for my honsty. I think we are sometimes a little too nice to new guys, which makes it al look very easy.

this is good

You know, in my design business we offer consultation, and I get a lot of newbies coming to me asking to pay me for essentially setting up their business and telling them how to run it. I don't accept many of these types of clients and usually give them a lecture and send them on their way. Making money is cool.. but being able to sleep at night is cooler.

Actually being this way has made my business much more profitible in the long run.

xxxbruce · 06-04-2004, 09:06 AM

tell him bullocks

Fletch XXX · 06-04-2004, 09:11 AM

you bothered to reply?

Paul Markham · 06-04-2004, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
you bothered to reply?

Not replying would have been rude.

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