You are a great example of a sheep.

Anyway, some valid points there CS. Many ppl changed from a few links to a lot of links, since they got greedy.

I mean they thought okay 10K brings in X so when I add more free porn, and I get 20K it will bring XX

And of course some bigger TGP's still bring in some nice cash. But especially some big THUMBtgp's do pretty bad...A guy contacted me with a 200K thumbtgp, and he only made 2 sales a day.
Then I asked, okay change that on your site and this etc, and I will buy some ads for our paysites.

Then he said no, because last time I did that my send dropped 50K...Funny story huh...

I also know some ppl with 5-10K sites. Hardlinks, some SE traffic(not very much just like 200 a day) and they do more then 10 sales a day...But of course those sites don't look cool in sextracker

Andre

Yeah, but he don't need no script!

What you are describing was inevitable. Back in '96 the surfers were almost all newbies and the demand for online porn so far exceeded the supply, that we could get away with anything.

But even if - to keep it simple - you assume the same number of new surfers coming online each year, 8 years on only 12½% of our potential customers are newbies. Many have more experience of the 'Net than a lot of webmasters! A lot of us still act otherwise, but these are real people. No way could we keep peddling the same rubbish or use the same trix to sell it.

Within this context, TGPs are no more than an excellent example of form following function. "Samples" are not only a way to try to reassure the millions of surfers we burned in the past that these days we really do have something to offer, but also a way to tempt those who wouldn't normally think of paying for porn. It is a valid marketing model used in any number of industries, which - unless content and bandwidth prices climb again - is why, despite those who might wish otherwise, TGPs aren't going anywhere.

For sure the burn rate among both operators and submitters is high. Next time you see someone giving away samples of food or wine in a supermarket, watch how few actually buy: freebies aren't a magic key to sales, just a way to stimulate an initial interest. Most of your potential buyers are still reluctant and it takes skill to close the sale.

And that's what many webmasters - would-be TGP operators and submitters - don't realize. TGP'ing looks so easy and it takes minimal HTML knowledge and design skills to put up something which looks like a TGP or a TGP gallery. When it turns out to be a money pit, most won't blame themselves but the TGP model.

and some of those who normally would pay, won't because they already got so much for free

you can't get drunk of that wine and you won't eat enough in supermarket promotion so that you don't need eat dinner anymore :D

:321GFY
dickhead...you steal galleries from other TGPs :ak47:

Actualy TGP's are the FLEA markets of the industry...you have to sift through a lot of shit to get a MORSEL of something good....

when are people going to realize....
quality...not quantity....

this fucking idustry is FULL of retards who think making 500 bucks a month from a 100k tgp is good money.....

i bought a domain in 97 for 1k and make 6k a month from it today....doing absolutely nothing.......

this industry is just going to get flooded with more and more morons.....

Standard cop-out response and completely irrelevant.

Webmasters who don't see the difference between what a (worthwhile) paysite offers and the porn available from TGPs and other free sources, probably will have trouble convincing surfers.

Interesting.

If tgp's would censor the galleries etc. and not show pink I bet the tgp's would convert more traffic.

supply and demand cut off people's air supply and they will pay.

how many Drug dealers do you see giving away free crack to erveryone. they might give a little away free at first then they know they hooked a new customer.

Personally I think tgp's are great if they are done right. but I also think that there is just way to much free shit out there now.
Surfers are smart they know how to find it free if they don't there friends tell them. why should they pay?

TGp's should just tease the surfer not satisfy them. As a guy we all know it takes one good picture to beat off too that's one customer who will never pay.

there should be a script where one day all the galleries should be censored or just redirect to a pay site. nothing free and see what your customers do when they can't get it free.


If you have traffic or a tgp you should send traffic to our BYOTGP program

:winkwink:

you're one smart mofo! :thumbsup

i'm pretty sure you'll do very good with this project.

Yeah its funny how people still think lots of traffic=lots of signups.

Most of the new tgps got shitty traffic that wont convert for shit.

My small 10K a day site makes more then most 100K tgps out there and thats freaking funny to see :)

But I realy dont mind when people are burning their BW bills because then there money runs out faster :)

No, my point was that for some ppl the contect that they can find on TGP is sufficient.
Some people surf porn every day for 2 hrs because they have no sexual life...others just out of curiosity...and the second group is less likely to join a paysite after they discovered TGP's. :2 cents: