you know if you call everyone a fraud there's a pretty good chance you might actually be right once or twice, you fucking retard.

I would still invest money in Grimshawn. I don't know the details on this story but I do know that Grim is stand up and probably is just struggling as a first time entreprenuer that is engaged to be married. I would however, have an exit strategy.

Alright, enough of you people have icq'd me to get a response out of me. First off, Joe, you have no right to air my business affairs on this board. You even quoted a reply I did on JBM saying that I did not wish to discuss this on a public forum. Second, you have the amount owing incorrect. To be honest, this really hampers my ability to collect on the amount owing from Shawn. In future, why don't you contact me or even try to collect the facts from me instead of Boneprone or other sources. Did you even talk to Shawn? At least get some facts from one of the two sides.

Next, I appreciate the support from those of you who posted in here, much appreciated. Like I said on JBM, I was financing a program that was to be acquired from DragonKing for Shawn to run; I was nothing more than the financier in this operation. The amount paid is not important and neither is the program name.

Lastly, a message to Shawn since you have not replied to my various means to contact you; by section 3(D) of the contract you signed, I have the right to collect my entire payment within 30 days written notice. I offered you a 6 month settlement agreement for the amount owing. I strongly suggest you consider the latter agreement or to speak with counsel about your payment options as I won't be very forgiving and your lack of replying to my emails and changing your phone number is not appreciated. Once again, EMAIL me Shawn to discuss your financial situation before this gets any worse.

WG

You would make a grave mistake.

From what I am reading in the original thread from another board, this shit is DEEP.

I wouldnt talk too much about doing deals with him. People are on another board clearing 10's of thousands of dollars up.

Bad mvoe if you do.

We have disassociated ourselves with Grimshawn.

I was as much in shock as the next guy as it came to what he's been up to.

However for Joesho to come and pubically do this is not too classy.

Wiredguy and Grim have set up a payment plan to get the money back. I suggest you let those in the loop take care of this matter Shawn has dug himself into. I have offered to buy Grims debts with other people he has "borrowed" from and will collect from Grim in my own manners and ways..

This issue has been exposed weeks ago and is old news.
Grim is no longer associated with myself and private agreements have already been in the works to correct what he has done.

Grim may not have any reputaion back after what he has done, but the moment he thinks all of that reputation is gone and unsalvagable the chances of him making an effort to payback are slimmer and slimmer..

I suggest you let the people who are involved here take care of this Joe.. Not really your place.. Fluffing up numbers and mis quoting things to make the story more firey is also not cool.. As I said this is being delt with. Grim has put many of us in anuncomfortable situation which is not cool. But it is being worked out.

Funny how Joesho thinks he's in the know posting public information that has been delt with on other boards weeks ago, but hey thats Joe for ya.. Not exactly insider information.

He did no such offer for me. Reread the thread that came from Dugmor, that was for someone else's debt, definitely not mine.

WG

good luck with everything WG.

i should of been VP

DragonKing is still in the game?

Holy shit.
Anyone got his ICQ? Privates would be appreciated.

Well, if the truth is what it appears it may be, I wouldn't do it.

To tell you the truth, this whole thing is very shocking.

no I did not say big players, sorry if I was not clear....

yes I believe it to be only a few of his friends, not a big conspiracy....

Correction, I made the settlement offer. Shawn has not replied to it in over a week.

WG

I have hung out with GrimShawn lots from Vegas to Maimi. HE always was good to me ,mind you I never did biz with him. He even lent me 50$ when MY bank fucked up and wanted me to stay an extra day.

IM really in shock at this moment.


Best of luck Wired guy
:thumbsup

Actually, no. I asked to be contacted; not to air this on a public forum. Every stab at Shawn hinders his ability to seek employment in this industry and as a result on my ability to collect on his debt.

WG

This explaines alot why Voodoo went up to see ya BP...

Damn I knew I saw smoke.

Good luck with that man:glugglug

This is last week news :winkwink:

the silence is deafening now :)

so if you got your money and he got employment then you would be happy and all would be settled and quiet so he could do it again?

this is why I try to stick to one board hahah

orange throws me off.

:1orglaugh

My primary concern is collecting what is owed to my company.
WG

so basically you don't want to pursue it legally because you don't think you'll get any money. and he's not answering you so you're not getting your money anyway. but if you got your money, even after he avoided you all this time you would never have made it a point to out him and how he does things?

Sorry wiredguy, that this is happening to you, I do however feel that it was a service to not cover this up, and allow false hopes of others that grimshawn may or my not have inteded to scam with his investment opportunities.

for someone that "did not have the facts", I hit the nail pretty much on the head with exception to the amount of money, but I was close enough for you to know I did not try to inflate the numbers.

I do apologize to you if I in anyway have hamperred and not helped you to get your money back... but realistically charles if/when you find that he is judgement proof with no assets or any type of collectible situation, all you will have done is waste more of your good hard earned money chasing an empty judgement I have done this countless number of times. the frustration you feel now, will not compare to what you will feel then, and many others could have been taken advantage of in the time it takes for that to run it's course.

as you know I like you, and think you are great at what you do, I in no way would wish to cause you any harm in attempting to collect this debt. unfortunatly I do feel that it was necassary for me to point out this unfortunate situation to others, and had I left the names out, then it would have just been dismissed and would allow for it to happen to others, I am sure you would not wish that on anyone , as that is not in your nature.

Where did I say I don't want to pursue it legally?

And yes, if I did get paid I won't out him in public because that's not how I do business. Like I said, my primary concern is collecting on debts owed to my company.

WG

boneprone saying not to use drama, or inflate something, haha LOL that is a classic....

I hope it gets worked out. Maybe Boneprone will step up for your deal too.

Yeah we saw a problem a little over 2 weeks ago.
Voodoo broght this all to my attention for the first time then at a dinner I took him out to.. The moment he saw something was wrong he wnet to wiredguy as well..

The rest has been all of us trying to make sense of it and resolve it.

Voodoo has also since cut all ties with Grim on his board as have I.. Like I said, the webmaster community is very forgiving. If Grim makes an effort to resolve this Ill be the first there to assist him. But until he attempts to help himself first, no one is going to give this guy a hand.. Instead we have been fed excuses from him.

Im sad for his healt conccerns of his wife, I dont want to come off as an unsymathtic dick when it comes to his healt problems of his wife.. But until he makes an effort I have no choice but to turn my back on him..

He's put many of us in an uncomfortable position. Borrowing from friends, promising to open up programs, and then disappearing is not cool. Excuses are fine when backed up with effort, Im still wiating to see this effort.. The webmaster community is very forgiving Shawn when you bring forth some effort. You'll see some of your friends who seemed to have abandoned you come through if you make this effort..

The fact that Grim hasnt talked to Wiredguy in over 1 week also concerns me. Last I thought the payment plan was accepted and was underway.. I find it disturbing that it has not

first post, quoted since joesho is claiming he had such noble intentions of helping and exposing a scammer. sure reads more like you were pumping your own ego cocksmoker.

yep - i lost all respect for Joesho in this thread

fyi go to jbm and search for grim and read the first thread on claims of what grim has been doing.

wow 12k???

yep, it takes serious knowledge to post some quotes from another message board ;)

you respected him at one time?

Thanks for the response BP.
I consider Voodoo a friend and am very relieved there is no tarnishments on em over this.

well wich is it Mike, grimshawn is cool and forgiven for fucking people and will be accepted back in the family? or he is disowned? you sound like the friggin mormon church, repent and I will be there for you? is that it?

so why not payback wiredguy if you are taking ownership of grimshawns debts? step up , you can collect it in your own methods rememberr? LOL


anybody pissed at me cause I call bullshit, when there is bullshit that is just fine with me....

:thumbsup

Can someone ICQ me the otehr board this was on

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is this the same guy who said he wouldn't out the so called scammer if he just got his money now? maybe you're playing both sides of the fence too and all you care about it your money not helping anyone as well. boneprone didn't get that money from you did he? i didn't think so.

JoeSchmo =

http://www.sukt.net/owned-snake.jpg

Voodoo is not involved directly...

Voodoo has always done right by me, and I have heard the same about him concerning others too...