OK what is a "College Fuck Fest" style set & video worth to you paysite owners?

[Paul Markham]

I'm building a budget for a shoot that will take place in a disco. We will have 20+ in the crowd, will make it look like more, at least two couples performing hardcore sex, two girls doing BJs and various females dancing flashing, tits, arse and pussies.

The mood will be "Party Time" the style will be Amateur Models - people having fun and not doing it for money - lighting will be realistic not too good on the crowd but good on the action.

200 images minimum and an hour video would be possible.

So tell me what a set and a video like these are worth to you as non-exclusive, semi-exclusive - sharing rights with magazines - and non-exclusive selling off our content site.

[Manowar]

Wow nice idea, that would probably get a lot of interest, college fuck fest is huge

[sexpress]

good idea for a shoot! Keep us posted how it goes

[Paul Markham]

If I can sell it to the mags it's very worth doing. Could do about 5 a year for them. And want to do one a month minimum.

Can do more if there's money in it, worried that paysites will come back with an offer of $2K - $3K

[Pipecrew]

I'am very confident it will be shot all wrong.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by Pipecrew
I'am very confident it will be shot all wrong.

Good point, cos WTF do I know about shooting.

[Fletch XXX]

i dont think this will accurately create "CFF" style set.

youll be missing one thing, the groups of drunk girls and wild party atmosphere. Where will all the little things that make parties special be? The guy who takes off his clothes and dances on the sofa, when you drop the keg on someones foot and fall.... you cant recreate CFF episodes in a studio.

while your photography may be great, i doubt someone in a studio can compete with the rawness of college parties like that.

you have to be on scene to capture such anarchy.

[Rictor]

Don't they have frat houses in Europe? If you're going to copy an idea, do it right! It would be a lot cheaper too.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i dont think this will accurately create "CFF" style set.

youll be missing one thing, the groups of drunk girls and wild party atmosphere. Where will all the little things that make parties special be? The guy who takes off his clothes and dances on the sofa, when you drop the keg on someones foot and fall.... you cant recreate CFF episodes in a studio.

while your photography may be great, i doubt someone in a studio can compete with the rawness of college parties like that.

you have to be on scene to capture such anarchy.

I was just using the CFF as an indication. But as I said, it will be shot in a disco and there will be various girls - female extras - flashing and dancing.

From what I've seen of CFF it is easy to recreat if you have the location and people. When you know how to shoot well, shooting "Amateur" is easy.

But you are right no one will be dropping kegs on people feet, don't want the legal hassles. I assume CFF are insured up to the hilt.

Don't they have frat houses in Europe? If you're going to copy an idea, do it right! It would be a lot cheaper too.

Not going to be an exact copy, that would be pointless. going to be something in the mode of.

Plus I have an idea that might make it the ultimate reality, invite the surfers to them. Do CFF do that?

[AWC]

^^^is there an echo in here?^^^

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by charly
[B]I was just using the CFF as an indication. But as I said, it will be shot in a disco and there will be various girls - female extras - flashing and dancing.

From what I've seen of CFF it is easy to recreat if you have the location and people. When you know how to shoot well, shooting "Amateur" is easy.

this has nothing to do with "amateur is easy" - we all know you are mr HQ Photography Charly, this has nothing to do with that.

You will not recreate a college frat party in a studio, sorry. you simply will not.

I was offered a job to go and shoot CFF, i have been to frat parties like this, when was the last time you went to a Frat Party? I was using the keg example as a simple glimpse into how authentic CFF is vs studio shit, any content buyer can tell the difference, come on.

But you are right no one will be dropping kegs on people feet, don't want the legal hassles. I assume CFF are insured up to the hilt.

As I said, just an excuse to illustrate how just because you take 20 czech girls and 10 czech guys and make a fake party it will NOT be CFF, sorry, it just will not.

Not going to be an exact copy, that would be pointless. going to be something in the mode of.

Plus I have an idea that might make it the ultimate reality, invite the surfers to them. Do CFF do that?

CFF does more than just that, which is why you cant reproduce it.

These are real parties on real campuses, sorry a studio shoot of some foreign girls will not replace American college girls REALLY getting down in a Frat house.

thats like shooting a city scene on a country road, it simply will not work, but I undestand you arent going for the same site, its just CFF is so real compared to what you are hinting towards, its a bad comparison.

Nothing you do in a studio will look like CFF, if that was the case, they wouldnt offer young guys like me money to go shoot the parties. Studios never grasp this, not even in mainstram movies.

[Paul Markham]

Fletch stop drinking and read for fuck sake.

We are going to shoot it in a disco, not the studio

Kind of makes your whole post irrelevant.

Plus I have show enough "Wild girl shoots" in my life to know how to wind up a crowd. Someone from the UK tell this guy about all stuff that used to be shot in pubs and clubs in the UK for the Sport, Razzle and Escort.

[Fletch XXX]

I love this guy.

You give Charly a little respect and try and simply talk about a content shoot, and what does he do?

Goes off, Charly, I am not drinking, its the morning here.

I guess you are in a bad mood, I dont know why I even bother trying to talk to some of you, simply cannot hold a conversation and resort to name calling and put downs... what a pro.

And I actually spend money on your contnet?
Sorry Charly, in America there is no more "disco" no clue what you even mean by that, hasnt been a disco in America since the 80s? ;)

hahaha

[BVF]

Originally posted by charly
Fletch stop drinking and read for fuck sake.

We are going to shoot it in a disco, not the studio

Kind of makes your whole post irrelevant.

Plus I have show enough "Wild girl shoots" in my life to know how to wind up a crowd. Someone from the UK tell this guy about all stuff that used to be shot in pubs and clubs in the UK for the Sport, Razzle and Escort.

It may be in a disco but it's still a "studio" enviornment...Unless you are able to walk in a disco that's actually full of real partiers and then get to film some fucking in there with some actors well placed in the crowd, you can get the proper effect...But an older man (no offense) in a rented disco with 30 people in it and trying to "wind up a crowd" won't work...

Plus, you can't let the actors open their mouths unless they speak english cause the first foreign word or accent out of their mouths would fuck up the whole fantasy.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I love this guy.

You give Charly a little respect and try and simply talk about a content shoot, and what does he do?

Goes off, Charly, I am not drinking, its the morning here.

I guess you are in a bad mood, I dont know why I even bother trying to talk to some of you, simply cannot hold a conversation and resort to name calling and put downs... what a pro.

And I actually spend money on your contnet?
Sorry Charly, in America there is no more "disco" no clue what you even mean by that, hasnt been a disco in America since the 80s? ;)

hahaha

LOL OK Fletch a place where they have young people 18-24 trying to get laid, a guy playing records, loud music, strobe lights, dance floor, girls on podiums dancing, bar selling drinks and people try.

I'm adding the sex.

It will be nothing like my studio shoots trust me.

Maybe I was using CFF as the wrong example, this will be a Night Club Fuck Fest.

Will have at least 4 girls getting naked, 2 girls giving BJs and two girls fucking, the "Rent a Crowd" mob will be mixed and can join in on everything but the sex with the profesionals. They will be doing it for real and having fun, can't rely on amateurs to get it up, keep it up and fuck for 20-30 minutes in an enviroment like that.

It will all be for real, trust me.

So does no one have an idea what this is worth?

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by BVF
It may be in a disco but it's still a "studio" enviornment...Unless you are able to walk in a disco that's actually full of real partiers and then get to film some fucking in there with some actors well placed in the crowd, you can get the proper effect...But an older man (no offense) in a rented disco with 30 people in it and trying to "wind up a crowd" won't work...

Plus, you can't let the actors open their mouths unless they speak english cause the first foreign word or accent out of their mouths would fuck up the whole fantasy.

It's a real disco with real people and actors. I have a 27 year old wife, 27 and 22 year old assistants who will be shooting, I can't do digital stills, film and video all myself.

But I can still wind everything up Czechs are ageist.

Good point about the accents though.

[Paul Markham]

So does anyone here have a clue at what this is worth?