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Old 05-26-2004, 08:12 PM   #1
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US Military injects its soldiers with SUICIDE causing drug (NEWS)

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What ever happened to the good old days, when all they did was test a little LSD on soldiers?
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That medicine was given out to everyone traveling to shit hole countries... Ive taken it a bunch of times when I had to go to the Philippines and India... Never commited suicide... The suicide side effect has to be in a very small % of the people who take it... There is probably a fine line between calling it safe and dangerous.
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That medicine was given out to everyone traveling to shit hole countries... Ive taken it a bunch of times when I had to go to the Philippines and India... Never commited suicide... The suicide side effect has to be in a very small % of the people who take it... There is probably a fine line between calling it safe and dangerous.
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That medicine was given out to everyone traveling to shit hole countries... Ive taken it a bunch of times when I had to go to the Philippines and India... Never commited suicide... The suicide side effect has to be in a very small % of the people who take it... There is probably a fine line between calling it safe and dangerous.
I don't know - on the LonelyPlanet travel message board there are tons of posts from people who swear they were hallucinating...from taking that and recommend the other 2 widely used malaria drugs beside Larium.
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I does not sound much different to the normal "drug cartel" practices (ie Roche, Lilley blah)

The less shit anyone takes from these dealers, the more chance they have of living a bit longer.

I'm sure a fair about of their "drugs" have served many people well, but others frankly, don't need to be loaded with this crap.

I idea of actually promoting this shit in TV ads is a joke. I want to sell pot on prime time - it's less harmful. Anyone got a problem with that??
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thats really fucked up, but like u said it probably only effects a small % of people that are injected with it..
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Back when I was a young pup..... and in the US armed forces..... They took us down to the medical clinic once a year, had us strip our shirts, and walk down this line. Every few feet was a doctor with a gun, and they would nail us with a shot of this and a shot of that.

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I got this feeling the "marketing practices" may not have been as agressive and that "industry" had not matured to the level it is today.

I can think of two docs I've chatted with over the last few years and said stuff about, eg.. "the Medicare Mafia" and given examples of people who were dying of poisoning as a result of the cocktails of crap they were taking. They remove "all" medication to stop them from dying - and apparently, they recover :-)
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I don't know - on the LonelyPlanet travel message board there are tons of posts from people who swear they were hallucinating...from taking that and recommend the other 2 widely used malaria drugs beside Larium.
I know a guy that said he hallucinated on it, but still wasnt killing himself
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God, that would have been terrrible? Can you immagine having a bad trip while getting shot? ack
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I know a guy that said he hallucinated on it, but still wasnt killing himself
C'mon, you can see where hallucinations can lead to emotional breakdowns or moments of deep instability or whatever happens when you are far away from home and not surrounded by creature comforts or loved ones and the hallucinations are constant for weeks on end... Your logic is weak.
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unfortunate for sure but that is life. Do you think your Tylenols are 100% safe? think again....
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C'mon, you can see where hallucinations can lead to emotional breakdowns or moments of deep instability or whatever happens when you are far away from home and not surrounded by creature comforts or loved ones and the hallucinations are constant for weeks on end... Your logic is weak.

a small percentage of people on the drug have side effects. a small percentage of those side effects are halucinations. a small percentage of the halucinations lead to suicide. sounds like a really small but very bad side effect. I would be willing to bet most drugs on the market have a similar pecentage of side effects.
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Taking a few benadry can drive you to suicide. OTC and perscription drugs usually aren't as safe as you think. The only reason drugs are OTC is that they're not scheduled but serve a purpose. Remember the guy who cut off his dick? That was most likely benadryl related.
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Back when I was a young pup..... and in the US armed forces..... They took us down to the medical clinic once a year, had us strip our shirts, and walk down this line. Every few feet was a doctor with a gun, and they would nail us with a shot of this and a shot of that.

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A study published in the British Medical Journal (31 August 1996, 313:13) found that "About 0.7% (1 in 140) travellers taking mefloquine can expect to have a neuropsychiatric adverse event unpleasant enough to temporarily prevent them from carrying out their day to day activities, compared with 0.009% (1 in 1100) taking chloroquine and proguanil. [emphasis mine]" Overbosch and colleagues (2001) reported adverse events attributed to mefloquine in 42% of 486 people studied. Neuropsychiatric adverse events were found in 29% of the subjects, with 19% being considered "moderate or severe". Anecdotally, many people have reported serious side-effects (e.g. panic attacks, "epileptic type" convulsions, headaches, visual and auditory hallucinations, etc.) that persist months after last dose, and are so debilitating that they can no longer continue their work or normal social interactions (see the many medical case reports and media references). "Lariam Action" support groups have been formed in the U.K., the U.S.A., New Zealand, Canada, Ireland, Denmark, and Switzerland. As of March 2001, lariam-related lawsuits have been filed in Ireland, Canada, Denmark, and the United States. (In 1996, class action lawsuit against the manufacturer was filed in the U.K. representing several hundred clients, but was withdrawn in 1999.) Legal action against Lariam's manufacturer was filed in the U.S. jointly by Stanley & Rose (Silver Spring, MD) and Suggs & Kelly (Columbia, SC). For additional information, please read through the references and/or contact Stanley & Rose (contacts).
Now, sounds like an antichloringenic type drug to me. Sounds alot like my reaction to a single benadryl. 1 in 140 is too many people for it to be safe. I remember when I took benadryl I was up all night convulsing in horrible pain. Probably the single worst experience of my life. Your bones itch, and the only way to calm it is to keep moving in any way you can. The more you stay still the more waves of horrible discomfort wash over you. One can see how suicide would become an option, especially when the drug also acts as a deleriant.
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My brother was in Desert Storm and he's fucked up now. His spine has a cancer string in it that is so new they don't have a name for it. The VA hospital is fucking pathetic too. It looks like 1952 in there will all the outdated shit.

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The fact is that most...if not all drugs...have side effects...and with some drugs death can be a side effect. Even aspirin can have severe side effects for some people...up to and including death. There is a thing called "for the greater good".
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The fact is that most...if not all drugs...have side effects...and with some drugs death can be a side effect. Even aspirin can have severe side effects for some people...up to and including death. There is a thing called "for the greater good".
I wonder how you would react if your doctor said that to you after you ingest some "safe" drugs and are hit with a fucked up side effect.
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The fact is that most...if not all drugs...have side effects...and with some drugs death can be a side effect. Even aspirin can have severe side effects for some people...up to and including death. There is a thing called "for the greater good".
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The fact is that most...if not all drugs...have side effects...and with some drugs death can be a side effect. Even aspirin can have severe side effects for some people...up to and including death. There is a thing called "for the greater good".
It gets bad for soldiers though. How many drugs do they have to take in? They take one after another and each one have side effects that affect like less than 1% of them. The more drugs you take, the more you increase your chances of getting hit with a side effect from some drug.
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It gets bad for soldiers though. How many drugs do they have to take in? They take one after another and each one have side effects that affect like less than 1% of them. The more drugs you take, the more you increase your chances of getting hit with a side effect from some drug.
I was a soldier for 12 years and I survived the drugs...without side effects...and everyone that I knew/know...also survived it without side effects. I am aware of reported cases where some did suffer side effects from one drug or another...but as I stated "for the greater good".
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I was a soldier for 12 years and I survived the drugs...without side effects...and everyone that I knew/know...also survived it without side effects. I am aware of reported cases where some did suffer side effects from one drug or another...but as I stated "for the greater good".

yes totally, same thing with the anthrax vaccine...you wont die from Anthrax but 1 out of x amount of people will die from the drug


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I remember when I took benadryl I was up all night convulsing in horrible pain. Probably the single worst experience of my life. Your bones itch, and the only way to calm it is to keep moving in any way you can. The more you stay still the more waves of horrible discomfort wash over you. One can see how suicide would become an option, especially when the drug also acts as a deleriant.
Wow... that's a pretty extreme parasthesia reaction. I guess it's a good thing that diphenhydramine has an effective life of only 4-6 hours and peak efficiency at around 30-60 minutes. It could have been something like desloratadine (aerius), which has an effective life of close to a day.

For me, benadryl (diphen) is a serious benefit. I have angioedema and benadryl is particularly effective in making swelling go away... which is very, VERY important when that swelling is in your throat or soft palate. However, if I had to deal with the heebeejeebees every time I drank some, so that for a period of a few hours while the swelling recedes and the maximum effect of benedryl overlap... yuck. I'd be looking for any sort of alternate option, and yes, it could drive me mental if I had no other option.

I hope I never have to deal with anything like that.

BTW - I do recommend aerius if you were taking benedryl as an antihistamine. Works like a hot damn for hay fever AND is effective at supressing angioedema and other uticartia.
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yes totally, same thing with the anthrax vaccine...you wont die from Anthrax but 1 out of x amount of people will die from the drug


what is that cipro?
Ciprofloxacin isn't a vaccine... cipro's an antibacterial agent which is used to treat any number of bacterial infections. I originally heard about it from some friends who used to get it to smack down travellers diarrhea (ironically, one of its main side-effects is the onset of diarrhea ). It just also turns out that fluorinated quinolone antibiotics are particularly effective at slapping down anthrax infections.

Cipro (and other members of the family) are becoming less and less effective as general antibiotics though, as many germs are building resistances to them. Cipro et al are given wholesale to lifestock, leading to resistant strains developing in treated cattle and poultry.
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One of my cousins back in the 70's when he was doing his medical intership at the Veterens Hospital in Westwood said the hospital routinely would test new experimental drugs and medications on war vets without telling them.

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I seriously doubt that they test "experimental" drugs...but I do know that they will use new drugs without telling you that it is new to the market. Private physcians do the same thing...in that they will give you sample drugs that are new to the market...but they usually tell you that they are a new drug. VA hospitals have a bad rep...and I am satisfied that some deserve it...but I suspect the Administrator is a bad Administrator in these instances. Outside of detesting the wait time involved I do not have a complaint about any of the VA hospitals that I have gone to. My favorite one is in Palo Alto CA...the Cadilac of VA hospitals...in my opinion.
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Aren't there laws to prevent that kind of shit?

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I seriously doubt that they test "experimental" drugs...but I do know that they will use new drugs without telling you that it is new to the market. Private physcians do the same thing...in that they will give you sample drugs that are new to the market...but they usually tell you that they are a new drug. VA hospitals have a bad rep...and I am satisfied that some deserve it...but I suspect the Administrator is a bad Administrator in these instances. Outside of detesting the wait time involved I do not have a complaint about any of the VA hospitals that I have gone to. My favorite one is in Palo Alto CA...the Cadilac of VA hospitals...in my opinion.
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Old 05-27-2004, 01:40 AM   #43
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I seriously doubt that they test "experimental" drugs...but I do know that they will use new drugs without telling you that it is new to the market. Private physcians do the same thing...in that they will give you sample drugs that are new to the market...but they usually tell you that they are a new drug. VA hospitals have a bad rep...and I am satisfied that some deserve it...but I suspect the Administrator is a bad Administrator in these instances. Outside of detesting the wait time involved I do not have a complaint about any of the VA hospitals that I have gone to. My favorite one is in Palo Alto CA...the Cadilac of VA hospitals...in my opinion.
This was back in the 70's King. Don't you remember all the controversy at the time with the experimental drugs the CIA was testing for mind control and the like.

I'm serious he said they would give experimental drugs to the most fucked up patients that had no close family, so in case they croaked from the tests, there'd be nobody asking any questions.
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Old 05-27-2004, 01:41 AM   #44
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This war is turning into a huge clusterfuck. Do you think its just THIS war, or are all wars like that and we only know about the fuckups these days because of the internet and what not?
It is not just this conflict...pretty much any conflict is a cluster fuck. Usually the first thing to go wrong in battle is the plan. Battle is similar to "un-organized" chaos. "Murphy's Law" is applicable.
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Old 05-27-2004, 01:56 AM   #45
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This was back in the 70's King. Don't you remember all the controversy at the time with the experimental drugs the CIA was testing for mind control and the like.

I'm serious he said they would give experimental drugs to the most fucked up patients that had no close family, so in case they croaked from the tests, there'd be nobody asking any questions.
I am aware that the military was experimenting with LSD...maybe among other things...but this was on active duty personell...and was without their knowledge in some cases. I am not making a defintive denial that they experimented on some vets without their knowledge. Much to my regret and anger...the military has done some shitty things...which comes to the forefront from time to time...but I usually write it off because of the "greater good" theory.

I did personally know (he is dead now) a Navy man that claimed he sucessfully sued (it is virtually immpossibe to sue the military) and won a large award for some type of experiment the Navy did on him without his knowledge. He would never tell me exactly what the experiment was...but because of the nature of his health issues...I always suspected it had to do with radiation.
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One of the biggest purveyors of the "Greater Good" theory you keep babbling about is....


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Don't ride that slippery slope, buddy. It leads to unfortunate consequences.
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Old 05-27-2004, 02:11 AM   #47
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One of the biggest purveyors of the "Greater Good" theory you keep babbling about is....


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Don't ride that slippery slope, buddy. It leads to unfortunate consequences.
I will be the determiner of what "slope" I ride...not you...thank you very much.
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Atleast this Iraq shit keeps the newspapers happy. There is a new story every day.
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Atleast this Iraq shit keeps the newspapers happy. There is a new story every day.
Unfortunately.
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