5 Year Trends (1996-2001) - GoFuckYourself.com

Rictor · 01-16-2001, 10:08 PM

Well, I've been in the porn slinging business for about 5 years now, and I've never made less money than I do these days. I am learning to adapt, however, and some of my checks are getting larger.

When I first started in 1996 there wasn't really as much competition. I made all of my money from Adult Check galleries that I posted to newsgroups, top lists, and IRC. I didn't spam the newsgroups (on topic posts with no URL on the pic). I made the most money ever during this period and with a lot less effort.

In 1997-1998, I partnered in a cartoon/anime paysite and made okay money. I think this was the time that I was advertising for Xpics. Remember them? They paid 25 cents per unique click...I made a lot of cash with those guys.

In 1999-2000, all my money was from Adult Check sites that I had made in the past that were now getting decent SE traffic. I was not updating or maintaining these sites, so my checks were small, but I was receiving them regularly.

In the last year or so, I've put more effort into TGP galleries and reseller programs. I barely make any money from Adult Check (because of Adult Check Gold, I think). I have to work 10 times as hard as I did in 1996 to make 25% as much cash.

So how are some of the other long-time webmasters out there doing? I think there's just so much more competition out there, and I haven't adapted well to new methods of traffic generation. Am I the only one who is making less money or is this a large trend in recent years?

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"Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes."

TheFLY · 01-16-2001, 11:33 PM

To grow indefinitely you have to look for permanent solutions.

Permanent traffic sources -- build good relationships w/ your trading partners -- a good link trade will never die. Your buddies won't let you down.

Searh engine placement can be a source of permanent traffic. The search engines only get smarter -- if your site is a real resource (and not just some keyword trick) you will only get more and more traffic as you become more deeply rooted into the internet -- also link popularity will get you more traffic -- the longer you are on the net the more people will be linked to you and the higher your popularity will be. Also the longer that you are in the search engine -- the more priority you get (I heard somewhere that re-submitting can actually reset that er "duration" factor)

The longer your in the biz -- the more people will know who you are as a webmaster -- the more often they will see your link or button all over the fucking place. I remember a couple of years after I had been surfing I came across Molson from Irecommend Sex irecommend.com -- I had remembered his site was a big deal back when I first started so I knew that I should give him a little more respect and special treatment.

Partnership programs -- although I don't use them much now -- damn years down the road you can have a pile of lifetime members under your belt. I was promoting pornmegabucks -- i only got a few signups there, but they were sending me checks over a year after I had quit their program (which not many programs will do) -- I think you really have to have a lot of trust in an ad program to be on a partnership program. If you send signups to JoeBlowCash.com and you have 300 potential lifetime members on there -- and JoeBlowCash decides to cancel you or fuck you hard, you will be out of a LOT of fucking money that you could have been collecting until you were old and fucking gray.

Don't waste your time w/ fly-by-night sites... Don't trade 10,000 hits w/ 1000 losers when you can trade 10,000 hits w/ 10 professionals. Professionals can be identified mostly w/ common sense (talk to them a little) -- 1. they have the technical knowledge and work ethic to produce a very large quantity of sites -- if you meet one pro -- you may in effect be able to do 100+ link trades all in one shot (usually they can do a search/replace or just adjust their script to add you to all their pages) 2. a pro always keeps his sites up -- this means that they have a domain where all the traffic goes through (even if they are using free hosts) -- saves me time -- if some loser webmaster has to email me every week when the free host kicks him off (or more likely the case he just gets deleted off the free host and you never hear from that webmaster again) -- then that's basically a waste of my time. Invest time in people that are worth investing time in.
3. they don't fuck around w/ child porn links, popups, or other stupid bullshit -- meaning pro's aren't too greedy -- you take a little piece of pie for yourself and you will have a lot of people coming over to eat pie with you.

I could write more but if I give away all my secrets... hahaha!

-- pete

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-- thefly.net

Lensman · 01-17-2001, 12:11 AM

Rictor, I think your story is a perfect example of why we all need to keep changing and moving forward in this biz, as you said there is lots of competition and if we stand still it will run us over.

From here forward, the key (as always) will be traffic generation. Try to focus on the search engines. Also think outside of the box, look to new sources of traffic.

Also look for new sponsors, try different programs because some programs lose their earning power over time.

And finally, get away from per-signup programs and try to build a recurring cash flow from partnership programs, it's the future - you will see per-signup programs go away.

Dildozer · 04-22-2003, 02:04 AM

LENSMAN WAS RIGHT! WHERE HAVE THE PER SIGNUP GONE?????

THAT MAN SAW TEH FUTARE

silver · 04-22-2003, 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

And finally, get away from per-signup programs and try to build a recurring cash flow from partnership programs, it's the future - you will see per-signup programs go away.

What is the best recurring gay sponser ?

NickB. · 04-22-2003, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman
Rictor, I think your story is a perfect example of why we all need to keep changing and moving forward in this biz, as you said there is lots of competition and if we stand still it will run us over.

From here forward, the key (as always) will be traffic generation. Try to focus on the search engines. Also think outside of the box, look to new sources of traffic.

Also look for new sponsors, try different programs because some programs lose their earning power over time.

And finally, get away from per-signup programs and try to build a recurring cash flow from partnership programs, it's the future - you will see per-signup programs go away.

Lensman is truly right about this! we always kept our core product Partnership, we don't have much flat fee webmasters, as they earn much more long term

with partnership!

Dildozer · 04-22-2003, 02:15 AM

yes

Short UIN sales have skyrocketed since then!

playa · 04-22-2003, 02:18 AM

i give per sign up another two years before it goes bust,

the per sign up models forces more agressive marketing techniques, which eventually cause the government to step in

rooster · 04-22-2003, 02:18 AM

I used to make a shitload of money with search engine traffic. Back when excite, webcrawler, etc rocked and google didnt have a monopoly. My pages had no content, just text, so bandwidth expenses were tiny even back when bandwidth was more expensive.

That business model declined as competion increased, free porn increased, credit card billing went to shit, and internet boom came to an end.

Im not willing to take the risk of putting hardcore porn on a site, so I have no desire to develop quality adult sites with pics etc which would be needed to develop link trades, get dmoz links, improve link pop, etc.

To me adult stuff is short term money. Any of the third party cc processors could go belly up tommorow. And its only a matter of time before obsenity busts clean up the amount of free hardcore.

inthestars · 04-22-2003, 03:10 AM

I honestly believe many people are making less money, even big time sponsors, otherwise, I don't think that shaving would be such a huge issue. There's not an inexhaustible supply of newbie surfers as once thought, people have become very saavy at finding free porn (P2P has a lot to do with that), they are not going to buy at the first hint of a bare nipple anymore.

The key to staying in the adult game is to always stay on top of finding new sources of traffic. Also, you have to have a long term game plan now, you can't just think that everything is ok because you got some checks in the mail. It is easy to find your money dwindling if you are lax about staying in the quality traffic game.

bhutocracy · 04-22-2003, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by rooster
And its only a matter of time before obsenity busts clean up the amount of free hardcore.

thats not a bad thing though.

inthestars · 04-22-2003, 03:42 AM

Well, I heard a rumor that Visa is going after AVS sites.. that would kill alot of free stuff and it would be for the better..

xxxinnovations · 04-22-2003, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by inthestars
Well, I heard a rumor that Visa is going after AVS sites.. that would kill alot of free stuff and it would be for the better..

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bhutocracy · 04-22-2003, 04:04 AM

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Originally posted by xxxinnovations

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO. AVS is good. Anything that makes someone enter in a cc number to look at porn is good, even if it's free AVS, it's awesome traffic. And free AVS is different to pay AVS, TGP outstrips free AVS in terms of size of free porn and access to it many times over.

bhutocracy · 04-22-2003, 04:11 AM

avs applicable to that argument like adultcheck "regular avs" aren't anywhere near the problem p2p and tgp are. They're worse than tgp2.

Pornwolf · 04-22-2003, 04:35 AM

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Originally posted by inthestars
Well, I heard a rumor that Visa is going after AVS sites.. that would kill alot of free stuff and it would be for the better..

AVS shouldn't even be included in that statement. AVS is good for the biz on every level. There is no way to lump it into the free category.

easyfun · 04-22-2003, 06:37 AM

Avs was probably over-done a few years back and is over-looked today by far too many webmasters - Me included.
It is true that back in 1996 it was so damn easy to make money where as now it is much harder.
Trends change - And we either have to adapt to those trends, or be the beginning of new trends to do well.
Pay per sign up nearly killed the industry dead as figures had to be made to look equal - Hence shaving. Lensman is right - Recurring payments are far more solid - Even during bad times, I never considered paying out a sign-up sum and my new program being launched next week is not only unique all round, but payments will only be recurring.

I also think the sheer amount of free porn has made life harder - That is why I think cj sites will grow over the next few months - If nothing else, they keep content minimal (depending on skim)

Probono · 04-22-2003, 09:20 AM

To add fuel to the fire all FREE and pay sites will need to check the 18USC2257 compliance and I doubt records will be there for all of the free content passed from computer to computer for years.

foe · 04-22-2003, 09:25 AM

so quit

Rich J. · 04-22-2003, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Rictor
In 1997-1998... I was advertising for Xpics. Remember them? They paid 25 cents per unique click...I made a lot of cash with those guys.

I don't remember ever paying out 25 cents...

I think 18 cents was the most we ever payed.

Just found this interesting article. I remember the day it came out like it was yesterday.

kmanrox · 04-22-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Rich J.

I don't remember ever paying out 25 cents...

I think 18 cents was the most we ever payed.

Just found this interesting article. I remember the day it came out like it was yesterday.

lol you're the xpics dude??

Rich J. · 04-22-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by kmanrox
lol you're the xpics dude??

Not THE Xpics dude but I did work in thier "Special Projects" group from 97 to 00.

-=HOAX=- · 04-22-2003, 12:08 PM

Yeah right dude...you were THE xpics guy...don't try and hide...lol

polish_aristocrat · 04-22-2003, 12:12 PM

I know this thread is 2 years old ( BTW, what's Rictor doing right now? ), but since someone mentionded Partnership vs per sign up... I can understand that Partnership may be better, but on the other hand... since surfers are more "porn-educated" nowadays, it happens more often than before that they cancel their membership to a paysite immediately after they join. In that case - for the webmaster - per sign up is way better...
Partnership programs must be better for small niches...

psyko514 · 04-22-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Rich J.

I don't remember ever paying out 25 cents...

I think 18 cents was the most we ever payed.

Just found this interesting article. I remember the day it came out like it was yesterday.

You worked for Xpics? Nice...
Did you get busted?

You guys used to have 30 cent days on Saturdays in July. That rocked.

Rictor · 04-22-2003, 12:33 PM

Hmm...nice bump.

Things are definitely looking up for me.

I'd say I'm making about 10 times what I made in 1996 now...of course I didn't own any paysites back then.

Rictor · 04-22-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich J.

I don't remember ever paying out 25 cents...

I think 18 cents was the most we ever payed.

Just found this interesting article. I remember the day it came out like it was yesterday.

25 or 30 cents...I don't remember...bonus days, I think. I could go back to my old tax records and check, I guess...I have all my old check stubs.

Rictor · 04-22-2003, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
I know this thread is 2 years old ( BTW, what's Rictor doing right now? ), but since someone mentionded Partnership vs per sign up... I can understand that Partnership may be better, but on the other hand... since surfers are more "porn-educated" nowadays, it happens more often than before that they cancel their membership to a paysite immediately after they join. In that case - for the webmaster - per sign up is way better...
Partnership programs must be better for small niches...

I think he's running some niche paysites.

Rich J. · 04-22-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

You worked for Xpics? Nice...
Did you get busted?

You guys used to have 30 cent days on Saturdays in July. That rocked.

Yeah I worked there for years... as far as legal issues, I wasn't involved in any of that and am not really at liberty to discuss it.

I forgot all about the bonus days. It's been awhile. We went to a straight $25 per signup in 98 not long after I started there.

Dildozer · 04-22-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Hmm...nice bump.

Things are definitely looking up for me.

I'd say I'm making about 10 times what I made in 1996 now...of course I didn't own any paysites back then.

and to think you were bitching about not making money in 2001
i wish we were back in 2001 with the knowledge i have right now

But now seriously

I can't believe people are blaming AVS for the market saturation. The tgp's are to blame, and all those easy tgp making scripts. It's so fuckin easy to make a tgp now everyone's parents, sisters and grandmas are starting one. There are also too many newbies myself included, but hey i make a small living at this.

Newbies were to be expected.

As for pay per signup, i don't think it's gonna disappear unless the gov makes some new laws that would prevent shaving. Also as competition increases, why would paysites offer only revshare when the webmasters are asking for PPS?

It's a bit like the tgp's. Even if every tgp would stop giving full hardcore stuff, there would always be an idiot to give all the hardcore he could to gain his share of the market. It's a vicious circle.

I believe the same applies to sponsors. Don't forget that we, webmasters, are a very prized market.

Jamie · 04-22-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
Yeah right dude...you were THE xpics guy...don't try and hide...lol

Takes one to know one from what I hear.........

psyko514 · 04-22-2003, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Rich J.
Yeah I worked there for years... as far as legal issues, I wasn't involved in any of that and am not really at liberty to discuss it.

After all this time, you're still not allowed to talk about it? There's a gag order? Crazyness!

You went from pushing a 18c per click program to a 6c per click program

The Wired article you posted above was really good, as well as this one:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,12412,00.html

Quote:

Another XPics customer, a software engineer from Los Gatos, California, hasn't been as lucky.

XPics' $9.95 monthly charges are still mounting up on his bill, nearly a year after ending his "free" trial. Termination requests by Web, email, and phone have been ignored, he says. Worse, he says, another company -- an Internet billing firm called Netfill, which has its own network of adult sites at addresses like Netfraud.com -- began charging him $19.95 a month soon after he signed on with XPics. A disclaimer on the XPics site says that the two companies are not related. The engineer is considering canceling his credit card.

He partly blames his situation on his own cursory reading of XPics' terms and conditions page, which spells out the process of automatic escalation from a free trial to a paying membership and the labyrinthine termination process:

Free memberships will renew at a regular rate of $19.95 at the end of 30 days.... The cancellation process is a two-step process in which members first must view a series of "sales" pages. On the final page, XPics may, at XPics' sole discretion, provide the member with an upgraded membership instead of canceling the member. If such an upgrade is effected, the member will then not be canceled at that time. The member will be required to wait an additional 72 hours, during which time he may continue to enjoy his membership. At any time after 72 hours, the member may then enter the cancellation process, and after viewing another series of "sales" pages, the member can then cancel his membership....

"It says right there, deep in the bowels of the fine print, that there's no way out," the engineer reflects ruefully.

psyko514 · 04-22-2003, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by Rich J.
I forgot all about the bonus days. It's been awhile. We went to a straight $25 per signup in 98 not long after I started there.

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The collapse of the XCash program comes as XPics was moving beyond banners to a new ad strategy that was called the "modular" plan. In-house, it was codenamed "Armageddon."

Modular advertising supplanted the banners with full-page ads that looked like tables of contents for the sites hosting them. If you were on a free site, you could jump to an XPics module and click on thumbnail images, or buttons that said "lesbian" or "orgy," without knowing that you were leaving the free site for one of XPics' own. The modules used hahahahahahahahahaha to obscure the new URLs in the status bar of the browser. Once you were on an XPics server, you'd be asked for a credit-card number for "age verification."

Payment to webmasters would no longer be by-the-click, but by the number of registrations for membership on the XPics sites.

Beth Mansfield, the owner of Persian Kitty, an adult site index that gets 300,000 visitors a day, refused to include sites that used XPics modules in her index.

"They were tricking visitors with blind links to what looked like content, and I wasn't going to allow it on my site," she says.

The plan, she speculates, was to develop such a labyrinth of elaborately linked related sites that they wouldn't have to depend on -- or pay for -- ads on external sites. Mansfield believes that the XCash end game may be a ruse for dissolving the XPics brand into a number of smaller companies to "disperse their culpability in case a bunch of people file a class-action suit against them."

Jim Duvall concurs. "XPics exposure to chargebacks must have been increasing by a million [dollars] a day. It was at a point when it was so huge, it was bankruptcy for everyone involved."

If credit-card companies took a close look at what XPics has done, they'd "run from the Web," Duvall says.

With no comment from XPics other than the email, it's hard to know what will happen Friday, when the XCash program officially ends.

Seth, however, believes he can guess the game plan.

"I think they're packing up shop, getting houses in Hawaii, and smoking that bright green stuff with the crystals in it," he says. "It's the biggest scam in Internet history."

Guess they were wrong about Hawaii, huh?

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-16-2012, 08:47 AM

Fucking $0.25/Click was nice.

epitome · 06-16-2012, 10:58 AM

9 years ago, long before tubes, torrents and file lockers people were bitching about the same thing they are today. So much for PPS going away as well...

Less bitching, more harder and smarter working and you'll have nothing to bitch about.

It's not as gloomy as the likes of Paul Markham would like you to belive. It's just gloomy for them because they are pessimists.

FreeHugeMovies · 06-16-2012, 04:07 PM

Good fine

garce · 06-16-2012, 04:30 PM

Holy crap heart attack.

looky_lou · 06-16-2012, 04:34 PM

Nice bump. I really enjoyed the flashback.

TheSquealer · 06-16-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

9 years ago, long before tubes, torrents and file lockers people were bitching about the same thing they are today. So much for PPS going away as well...

Less bitching, more harder and smarter working and you'll have nothing to bitch about.

It's not as gloomy as the likes of Paul Markham would like you to belive. It's just gloomy for them because they are pessimists.

I've always said this exact same thing. Nothing has changed over the years, but the excuse for failure.

Rochard · 06-16-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rictor

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In the last year or so, I've put more effort into TGP galleries and reseller programs.

Sounds like that's your problem right there. TGPs? I find it hard to believe anyone is doing TGPs these days...

Brujah · 06-16-2012, 04:41 PM

Around 2001 is when the AdultCheck Gold program was in full swing, and some people were making six figures per month with them, like it was nothing.

So maybe it really was a matter of just adapting and following the money and trends.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-16-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rochard

sounds like that's your problem right there. Tgps? I find it hard to believe anyone is doing tgps these days...

.

alf6300 · 06-16-2012, 05:08 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen -
it's vintage hour! Enjoy.

$5 submissions · 06-16-2012, 05:10 PM

2001 was when the old schtick of

getting an EMD

pumping it with spun content

getting backlinks through web 2.0 automators and UCG scripts

collecting bank

ALSO

Yahoo was an even bigger gold mine then

The lesson of this thread: PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING TONS OF MONEY NOW, you just have to figure out how and stay ahead of the changes.

There will always be stuff to complain about but progress is not about complaining but overcoming

Tijuana_Tom · 06-16-2012, 05:18 PM

You can't compare the damage the TGPs did and the devastation mainstream piracy. IE Tubes caused.

When will you idiots say "Ok, We were wrong." ? LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

The lesson of this thread: PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING TONS OF MONEY NOW, you just have to figure out how and stay ahead of the changes.

A lot more people could be making money today.

Everyone could be making a lot more money.

But the greed and impatience of a few ruined it for everyone. Not to mention you guys just bent over while being effed in the ass instead of fighting Pirates how they fight, dirty.

Not even just the pirates anyone giving content away for free whether they own the rights to it or not.

looky_lou · 06-16-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Sounds like that's your problem right there. TGPs? I find it hard to believe anyone is doing TGPs these days...

Ooooops, didn't notice the date? We are in a time machine in this thread.

BIGTYMER · 06-16-2012, 08:59 PM

What a nice journey back in time!

Confined · 06-17-2012, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

2001 was when the old schtick of

getting an EMD

pumping it with spun content

getting backlinks through web 2.0 automators and UCG scripts

collecting bank

ALSO

Yahoo was an even bigger gold mine then

The lesson of this thread: PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING TONS OF MONEY NOW, you just have to figure out how and stay ahead of the changes.

There will always be stuff to complain about but progress is not about complaining but overcoming

this is still all the rage on those indian spammer sites, they think it is the new hot shit of the latest decade.

$5 submissions · 06-17-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Confined

this is still all the rage on those indian spammer sites, they think it is the new hot shit of the latest decade.

and ... interestingly enough, your observation also rings true for some bh forums where people hang out mostly to sell "tools"

Same get rich quick mentality, "new" format.

Tijuana_Tom · 06-17-2012, 07:35 PM

FREE PORN IS GOOD!! MORE PEOPLE ARE MAKING MONEY AND PEOPLE WHO WERE MAKING MONEY YESTERDAY ARE MAKING MORE TODAY!!!

lol

01-16-2001, 10:08 PM	#1
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	5 Year Trends (1996-2001) Well, I've been in the porn slinging business for about 5 years now, and I've never made less money than I do these days. I am learning to adapt, however, and some of my checks are getting larger. When I first started in 1996 there wasn't really as much competition. I made all of my money from Adult Check galleries that I posted to newsgroups, top lists, and IRC. I didn't spam the newsgroups (on topic posts with no URL on the pic). I made the most money ever during this period and with a lot less effort. In 1997-1998, I partnered in a cartoon/anime paysite and made okay money. I think this was the time that I was advertising for Xpics. Remember them? They paid 25 cents per unique click...I made a lot of cash with those guys. In 1999-2000, all my money was from Adult Check sites that I had made in the past that were now getting decent SE traffic. I was not updating or maintaining these sites, so my checks were small, but I was receiving them regularly. In the last year or so, I've put more effort into TGP galleries and reseller programs. I barely make any money from Adult Check (because of Adult Check Gold, I think). I have to work 10 times as hard as I did in 1996 to make 25% as much cash. So how are some of the other long-time webmasters out there doing? I think there's just so much more competition out there, and I haven't adapted well to new methods of traffic generation. Am I the only one who is making less money or is this a large trend in recent years? ------------------ "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes."

04-22-2003, 02:04 AM	#4
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	LENSMAN WAS RIGHT! WHERE HAVE THE PER SIGNUP GONE????? THAT MAN SAW TEH FUTARE __________________ Spam link here

04-22-2003, 02:15 AM	#7
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	yes Short UIN sales have skyrocketed since then! __________________ Spam link here

04-22-2003, 06:37 AM	#17
easyfun Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 731	Avs was probably over-done a few years back and is over-looked today by far too many webmasters - Me included. It is true that back in 1996 it was so damn easy to make money where as now it is much harder. Trends change - And we either have to adapt to those trends, or be the beginning of new trends to do well. Pay per sign up nearly killed the industry dead as figures had to be made to look equal - Hence shaving. Lensman is right - Recurring payments are far more solid - Even during bad times, I never considered paying out a sign-up sum and my new program being launched next week is not only unique all round, but payments will only be recurring. I also think the sheer amount of free porn has made life harder - That is why I think cj sites will grow over the next few months - If nothing else, they keep content minimal (depending on skim) __________________ <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br> </p>

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-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	Yeah right dude...you were THE xpics guy...don't try and hide...lol __________________ Insert Value Here.

01-16-2001, 11:33 PM	#2
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	To grow indefinitely you have to look for permanent solutions. Permanent traffic sources -- build good relationships w/ your trading partners -- a good link trade will never die. Your buddies won't let you down. Searh engine placement can be a source of permanent traffic. The search engines only get smarter -- if your site is a real resource (and not just some keyword trick) you will only get more and more traffic as you become more deeply rooted into the internet -- also link popularity will get you more traffic -- the longer you are on the net the more people will be linked to you and the higher your popularity will be. Also the longer that you are in the search engine -- the more priority you get (I heard somewhere that re-submitting can actually reset that er "duration" factor) The longer your in the biz -- the more people will know who you are as a webmaster -- the more often they will see your link or button all over the fucking place. I remember a couple of years after I had been surfing I came across Molson from Irecommend Sex irecommend.com -- I had remembered his site was a big deal back when I first started so I knew that I should give him a little more respect and special treatment. Partnership programs -- although I don't use them much now -- damn years down the road you can have a pile of lifetime members under your belt. I was promoting pornmegabucks -- i only got a few signups there, but they were sending me checks over a year after I had quit their program (which not many programs will do) -- I think you really have to have a lot of trust in an ad program to be on a partnership program. If you send signups to JoeBlowCash.com and you have 300 potential lifetime members on there -- and JoeBlowCash decides to cancel you or fuck you hard, you will be out of a LOT of fucking money that you could have been collecting until you were old and fucking gray. Don't waste your time w/ fly-by-night sites... Don't trade 10,000 hits w/ 1000 losers when you can trade 10,000 hits w/ 10 professionals. Professionals can be identified mostly w/ common sense (talk to them a little) -- 1. they have the technical knowledge and work ethic to produce a very large quantity of sites -- if you meet one pro -- you may in effect be able to do 100+ link trades all in one shot (usually they can do a search/replace or just adjust their script to add you to all their pages) 2. a pro always keeps his sites up -- this means that they have a domain where all the traffic goes through (even if they are using free hosts) -- saves me time -- if some loser webmaster has to email me every week when the free host kicks him off (or more likely the case he just gets deleted off the free host and you never hear from that webmaster again) -- then that's basically a waste of my time. Invest time in people that are worth investing time in. 3. they don't fuck around w/ child porn links, popups, or other stupid bullshit -- meaning pro's aren't too greedy -- you take a little piece of pie for yourself and you will have a lot of people coming over to eat pie with you. I could write more but if I give away all my secrets... hahaha! -- pete ------------------ -- thefly.net

01-17-2001, 12:11 AM	#3
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	Rictor, I think your story is a perfect example of why we all need to keep changing and moving forward in this biz, as you said there is lots of competition and if we stand still it will run us over. From here forward, the key (as always) will be traffic generation. Try to focus on the search engines. Also think outside of the box, look to new sources of traffic. Also look for new sponsors, try different programs because some programs lose their earning power over time. And finally, get away from per-signup programs and try to build a recurring cash flow from partnership programs, it's the future - you will see per-signup programs go away.

04-22-2003, 02:18 AM	#8
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	i give per sign up another two years before it goes bust, the per sign up models forces more agressive marketing techniques, which eventually cause the government to step in

04-22-2003, 02:18 AM	#9
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	I used to make a shitload of money with search engine traffic. Back when excite, webcrawler, etc rocked and google didnt have a monopoly. My pages had no content, just text, so bandwidth expenses were tiny even back when bandwidth was more expensive. That business model declined as competion increased, free porn increased, credit card billing went to shit, and internet boom came to an end. Im not willing to take the risk of putting hardcore porn on a site, so I have no desire to develop quality adult sites with pics etc which would be needed to develop link trades, get dmoz links, improve link pop, etc. To me adult stuff is short term money. Any of the third party cc processors could go belly up tommorow. And its only a matter of time before obsenity busts clean up the amount of free hardcore.

04-22-2003, 03:10 AM	#10
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	I honestly believe many people are making less money, even big time sponsors, otherwise, I don't think that shaving would be such a huge issue. There's not an inexhaustible supply of newbie surfers as once thought, people have become very saavy at finding free porn (P2P has a lot to do with that), they are not going to buy at the first hint of a bare nipple anymore. The key to staying in the adult game is to always stay on top of finding new sources of traffic. Also, you have to have a long term game plan now, you can't just think that everything is ok because you got some checks in the mail. It is easy to find your money dwindling if you are lax about staying in the quality traffic game.

04-22-2003, 03:42 AM	#12
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	Well, I heard a rumor that Visa is going after AVS sites.. that would kill alot of free stuff and it would be for the better..

04-22-2003, 04:11 AM	#15
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	avs applicable to that argument like adultcheck "regular avs" aren't anywhere near the problem p2p and tgp are. They're worse than tgp2.

04-22-2003, 09:20 AM	#18
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	To add fuel to the fire all FREE and pay sites will need to check the 18USC2257 compliance and I doubt records will be there for all of the free content passed from computer to computer for years.

04-22-2003, 09:25 AM	#19
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	so quit

04-22-2003, 12:12 PM	#24
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I know this thread is 2 years old ( BTW, what's Rictor doing right now? ), but since someone mentionded Partnership vs per sign up... I can understand that Partnership may be better, but on the other hand... since surfers are more "porn-educated" nowadays, it happens more often than before that they cancel their membership to a paysite immediately after they join. In that case - for the webmaster - per sign up is way better... Partnership programs must be better for small niches... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

04-22-2003, 12:33 PM	#26
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Hmm...nice bump. Things are definitely looking up for me. I'd say I'm making about 10 times what I made in 1996 now...of course I didn't own any paysites back then.

06-16-2012, 08:47 AM	#34
Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE Barterer Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,864	Fucking $0.25/Click was nice.

06-16-2012, 10:58 AM	#35
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	9 years ago, long before tubes, torrents and file lockers people were bitching about the same thing they are today. So much for PPS going away as well... Less bitching, more harder and smarter working and you'll have nothing to bitch about. It's not as gloomy as the likes of Paul Markham would like you to belive. It's just gloomy for them because they are pessimists.

06-16-2012, 04:07 PM	#36
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	Good fine

06-16-2012, 04:30 PM	#37
garce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,103	Holy crap heart attack.

06-16-2012, 04:34 PM	#38
looky_lou Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,771	Nice bump. I really enjoyed the flashback. __________________ PUSSY - PUSSY - PUSSY! Wet & Puffy - Wet & Pissy - We Like To Suck Puffy Cash

06-16-2012, 04:41 PM	#41
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Around 2001 is when the AdultCheck Gold program was in full swing, and some people were making six figures per month with them, like it was nothing. So maybe it really was a matter of just adapting and following the money and trends. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

06-16-2012, 05:08 PM	#43
alf6300 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 765	Ladies and Gentlemen - it's vintage hour! Enjoy. __________________ --

06-16-2012, 05:10 PM	#44
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	2001 was when the old schtick of getting an EMD pumping it with spun content getting backlinks through web 2.0 automators and UCG scripts collecting bank ALSO Yahoo was an even bigger gold mine then The lesson of this thread: PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING TONS OF MONEY NOW, you just have to figure out how and stay ahead of the changes. There will always be stuff to complain about but progress is not about complaining but overcoming __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

06-16-2012, 08:59 PM	#47
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	What a nice journey back in time!

06-17-2012, 07:35 PM	#50
Tijuana_Tom So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: 90210 Posts: 668	FREE PORN IS GOOD!! MORE PEOPLE ARE MAKING MONEY AND PEOPLE WHO WERE MAKING MONEY YESTERDAY ARE MAKING MORE TODAY!!! lol