::Good Thread:: Going mainstream? - GoFuckYourself.com

BradM · 05-25-2004, 08:45 PM

I've talked to a good 10 people lately who are all saying the same things "I wonder if I could take what I have learned and go back/go to mainstream and make money"

I think there is a lot of potential just because we are masters of conversions and traffic micromanagement.

However mainstream is not as easy to get traffic depending on what kind of site you want to run. No other market has people with their CC and dicks out at the same time ready to spend money.

Do you think you could take the knowledge you have learned and make a killing going mainstream?

I'll add some more thoughts and some advice maybe when I am not half asleep tomorrow.

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:21 PM

Warden · 05-25-2004, 09:22 PM

I recently went mainstream, well about a year ago, and I have to be honest; it has been a battle. Doing business isn't as easy but with some consistency and an open mind, you can take a lot of what you have learned on the adult side and apply them in mainstream.

Here's rule number one. Never call a mainstreamer a mainstreamer. Only adult webmasters call them that and most won't do business with adult webmasters.

Rule number two. Don?t' bother going after the big guys until your a big guy yourself. Hopsports has been around a while, has plenty of resources and already does business with some big dogs. Yet, we are still little in the grand scheme. When you do business in mainstream you are dealing with fortune 500 companies.

Rule number three. Check out www.HandsomeProphet.com. OK, that was sleazy but it really is going to be a great place for adult turned mainstream to go. We already have ties in the mainstream so bringing the two together should be great for everyone.

Aquarius · 05-25-2004, 09:24 PM

Expanding your biz is always good, but don't know how profitable mainstream can be compared with adult.

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Aquarius
Expanding your biz is always good, but don't know how profitable mainstream can be compared with adult.

I do. And if you know your shit and have a unique enough product you'll do well.

Warden · 05-25-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aquarius
Expanding your biz is always good, but don't know how profitable mainstream can be compared with adult.

It's all relative. The most common thing I see a lot of mainstream Webmasters doing is shopping malls and quite honestly I don't see them being all too profitable.

brizzad · 05-25-2004, 09:29 PM

i make 4x more with my mainstream sites than adult

TurboTrucker · 05-25-2004, 09:32 PM

I've found it a lot easier to make money in mainstream. I guess it depends on the person, for me it's very hard to make money with porn.

Quote:

Originally posted by Aquarius
Expanding your biz is always good, but don't know how profitable mainstream can be compared with adult.

Look at Amazon.

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:33 PM

Nice nice.

OzMan84 · 05-25-2004, 09:38 PM

any sponsors for mainstream? ive got wishing.com and xtremepay.com

id like more thou

?????? please help ???????

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by OzMan84
any sponsors for mainstream? ive got wishing.com and xtremepay.com

id like more thou
?????? please help ???????

Gotta think outside the box big guy. Don't just use the sponsors you find here to promote a mainstream idea.

Outside the box...
Or if you're punkerbarbie, just lick box.

Pornwolf · 05-25-2004, 09:41 PM

I have a couple of mainstream sites. So far it seems easier than porn when I first got into it. Knowing the porn biz definitely gives you a leg up because you know quite a few dirty tricks. Mainstream webmasters as a whole are so damn stiff and straightlaced and behind the times it's not even funny. They are still trying to be added to linkfarms ad things. It's sad.

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
They are still trying to be added to linkfarms ad things. It's sad.

Word.
But imagine if you could innovate the market with something amazing in mainstream that uses adult marketing techniques.

OzMan84 · 05-25-2004, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by BradM
Gotta think outside the box big guy. Don't just use the sponsors you find here to promote a mainstream idea.

Outside the box...
Or if you're punkerbarbie, just lick box.

is there any directories that have lists of sponsors?

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by OzMan84
is there any directories that have lists of sponsors?

cj.com
clickxchange.com

are famous.

Warden · 05-25-2004, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Mainstream webmasters as a whole are so damn stiff and straightlaced and behind the times it's not even funny. They are still trying to be added to linkfarms ad things. It's sad.

I can't tell you how right you are.

One of our traffic mgrs. was doing some traffic trading with this guy. Everything was going great until Prophet, AKA Ted, said "Hey call us on our toll free number and we can wrap this up"

The guy flipped out accusing us of trying to get him to say something off the record and never before had he spoke in person with any of his other traffic trades. It was just bizarre. Personally we like to get the human contact thing going. It better fortifies the relationships.

ytcracker · 05-25-2004, 09:48 PM

i have a few mainstream ventures

a lot of similarities however the differences are night and day

Warden · 05-25-2004, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by OzMan84
any sponsors for mainstream? ive got wishing.com and xtremepay.com

id like more thou

?????? please help ???????

You can always give us a shot.

www.WinningProfits.com

OzMan84 · 05-25-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by Warden
You can always give us a shot.

www.WinningProfits.com

theres nothing there for the site im working on

Spunky · 05-25-2004, 09:50 PM

Thats a definate plan to try to dabble more into mainstream..intresting looking forum,you just need more peoples

Warden · 05-25-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
Thats a definate plan to try to dabble more into mainstream..intresting looking forum,you just need more peoples

We actually dont even launch it till tomorrow

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:50 PM

Ozman: Hit me up... I'd love to see what you're working on

EviLGuY · 05-25-2004, 09:52 PM

I've had "mainstream" sites for years. Really if you want to make easy money.. go LOCAL.

Make yourareathis and yourtownthat.. don't try to come up with that next 10 Billion dollar IPO.

OzMan84 · 05-25-2004, 09:53 PM

brad your offline, your on my contacts already

Warden · 05-25-2004, 09:57 PM

I think someone already hit on it but mainstreamers are big into the traffic trading thing. But as I stated earlier, you have to be able to get these chicken littles' out to do business. So many of them think that every fortune 500 company is going to steal their idea. My thought is, if your idea is really that formidable, it will take a lot more than looking at your program/marketing strategy to steal it.

Warden · 05-25-2004, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EviLGuY
I've had "mainstream" sites for years. Really if you want to make easy money.. go LOCAL.

Make yourareathis and yourtownthat.. don't try to come up with that next 10 Billion dollar IPO.

That?s a really good idea. It just defies the entire concept of the internet with Nationalization and Internationalization, but you obviously found it not only to work but to be profitable.

BradM · 05-25-2004, 09:59 PM

Traffic trading is king. But they still don't know how to do it. They still use exit popup swaps and think that is effective. How 1998.

And if you want a link they want you to PAY for it like it's real estate.

I'd love to get up a decent text link directory traffic swapping site.

Warden · 05-25-2004, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
Traffic trading is king. But they still don't know how to do it. They still use exit popup swaps and think that is effective. How 1998.

And if you want a link they want you to PAY for it like it's real estate.

I'd love to get up a decent text link directory traffic swapping site.

We're actually in the process of building a free traffic trade program that wil have in the range of 30 to 40 sites in it.

serious · 05-25-2004, 10:30 PM

I have found the behind the times statement to be true for mainstreamers as I try to branch out into that world, I was reading about an amazing new traffic generation technique for mainstream sites on one of their webmaster boards and it turned out to be some home page trading program.

the majority of them don't seem to have any idea what they are doing, although im sure the ones that do are making a killing.

Warden · 05-25-2004, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by serious
I have found the behind the times statement to be true for mainstreamers as I try to branch out into that world, I was reading about an amazing new traffic generation technique for mainstream sites on one of their webmaster boards and it turned out to be some home page trading program.

the majority of them don't seem to have any idea what they are doing, although im sure the ones that do are making a killing.

We had some potential investors come in about a week ago and they were blown away with what we are doing in regards to online marketing. I felt like just saying, "Cause you don't respect how advanced the adult industry is when it comes to getting people to pull out their credit cards" but I can't. In fact they like to keep the fact of me coming form adult a big secret.

JulianSosa · 05-25-2004, 10:38 PM

If you mail you have traffic main stream or adult.

I have a friend who is killing it of mainstream right now.

PS he has an affiliate program LOL

Warden · 05-25-2004, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JulianSosa
If you mail you have traffic main stream or adult.

I have a friend who is killing it of mainstream right now.

PS he has an affiliate program LOL

So link us!

clickhappy · 05-25-2004, 10:44 PM

I'm trying to do it now and it's fucking difficult.
There so many scam "ebooks" made by people living in trailer parks.
I hired a consultant who told me to load the site up with keywords and sit and wait to get spidered for the traffic to come. wow, great.

Shaze · 05-25-2004, 10:47 PM

i got about 10 mainstream ventures and it is true that you can apply what you learned from adult to mainstream just in a different way, we are ahead of the curve..the problem is getting the business people in mainstream to follow your ideas in order for it to work.

Warden · 05-25-2004, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clickhappy
I'm trying to do it now and it's fucking difficult.
There so many scam "ebooks" made by people living in trailer parks.
I hired a consultant who told me to load the site up with keywords and sit and wait to get spidered for the traffic to come. wow, great.

Shit, I hope you didn't pay him too much.

Mr. Marks · 05-25-2004, 10:47 PM

I don't think mainstream will pay as good as adult.

swami · 05-25-2004, 10:49 PM

I make $3000 amonth from adsense.google sends me a cheque every month for me putting thier ads on my mainstreamsites such as this one. www.siemenssolar.com

Warden · 05-25-2004, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
I make $3000 amonth from adsense.google sends me a cheque every month for me putting thier ads on my mainstreamsites such as this one. www.siemenssolar.com

Thats a nice little check every month!

BradM · 05-25-2004, 11:47 PM

This thread was awesome. Thanks you everyone especially Warden

Keep them coming!

fudpuck · 05-25-2004, 11:56 PM

Mainstream is different than adult...simply because mainstream encompasses "everything else" other than adult. So it's very, very broad.

It is a battle, and you should choose your battles wisely. Narrow your options down. Think of a solid storefront business that you would like to have...and start a part of that online and see how it goes. It's more complicated than that, but you get what I mean. If you just go into the 'mainstream business'....you won't have any focus, and you'll be treading water trying to figure out what to do the whole time.

pure energy · 05-25-2004, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
I make $3000 amonth from adsense.google sends me a cheque every month for me putting thier ads on my mainstreamsites such as this one. www.siemenssolar.com

You're lucky!

bdld · 05-26-2004, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
I make $3000 amonth from adsense.google sends me a cheque every month for me putting thier ads on my mainstreamsites such as this one. www.siemenssolar.com

PR7 - nice.

KRL · 05-26-2004, 12:32 AM

Mainstream is where the big ad dollars are.

Warden · 05-26-2004, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
This thread was awesome. Thanks you everyone especially Warden

Keep them coming!

Yeah, about the longest mainstream thread I have ever seen on GFY.

bigdog · 05-26-2004, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Mainstream is where the big ad dollars are.

i would think gaming sites and movie sites are making a killing

Theo · 05-26-2004, 04:32 AM

what kind of movie sites bigdog?

Reak · 05-26-2004, 04:41 AM

I'm doing a couple of mainstream project Brad, hit me up on ICQ if you like to talk some business.

Reak.

Jer · 05-26-2004, 04:42 AM

Viral marketing rocks. Traffic for FREE!

Reak · 05-26-2004, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
what kind of movie sites bigdog?

I think he means the dvd/video movies

Warden · 05-26-2004, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fudpuck
Mainstream is different than adult...simply because mainstream encompasses "everything else" other than adult. So it's very, very broad.

It is a battle, and you should choose your battles wisely. Narrow your options down. Think of a solid storefront business that you would like to have...and start a part of that online and see how it goes. It's more complicated than that, but you get what I mean. If you just go into the 'mainstream business'....you won't have any focus, and you'll be treading water trying to figure out what to do the whole time.

Hey, I'm interested to know what fudpuck.com is.

05-25-2004, 08:45 PM	#1
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	::Good Thread:: Going mainstream? I've talked to a good 10 people lately who are all saying the same things "I wonder if I could take what I have learned and go back/go to mainstream and make money" I think there is a lot of potential just because we are masters of conversions and traffic micromanagement. However mainstream is not as easy to get traffic depending on what kind of site you want to run. No other market has people with their CC and dicks out at the same time ready to spend money. Do you think you could take the knowledge you have learned and make a killing going mainstream? I'll add some more thoughts and some advice maybe when I am not half asleep tomorrow.

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	moo

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Warden Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Valencia, CA Posts: 2,906	I recently went mainstream, well about a year ago, and I have to be honest; it has been a battle. Doing business isn't as easy but with some consistency and an open mind, you can take a lot of what you have learned on the adult side and apply them in mainstream. Here's rule number one. Never call a mainstreamer a mainstreamer. Only adult webmasters call them that and most won't do business with adult webmasters. Rule number two. Don?t' bother going after the big guys until your a big guy yourself. Hopsports has been around a while, has plenty of resources and already does business with some big dogs. Yet, we are still little in the grand scheme. When you do business in mainstream you are dealing with fortune 500 companies. Rule number three. Check out www.HandsomeProphet.com. OK, that was sleazy but it really is going to be a great place for adult turned mainstream to go. We already have ties in the mainstream so bringing the two together should be great for everyone. __________________ AIM: ZeeRiddler ICQ: 128160005 Warden's MS Last edited by Warden; 05-25-2004 at 09:23 PM..

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EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	I've had "mainstream" sites for years. Really if you want to make easy money.. go LOCAL. Make yourareathis and yourtownthat.. don't try to come up with that next 10 Billion dollar IPO.

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05-25-2004, 09:57 PM	#25
Warden Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Valencia, CA Posts: 2,906	I think someone already hit on it but mainstreamers are big into the traffic trading thing. But as I stated earlier, you have to be able to get these chicken littles' out to do business. So many of them think that every fortune 500 company is going to steal their idea. My thought is, if your idea is really that formidable, it will take a lot more than looking at your program/marketing strategy to steal it. __________________ AIM: ZeeRiddler ICQ: 128160005 Warden's MS

05-25-2004, 09:59 PM	#27
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Traffic trading is king. But they still don't know how to do it. They still use exit popup swaps and think that is effective. How 1998. And if you want a link they want you to PAY for it like it's real estate. I'd love to get up a decent text link directory traffic swapping site.

05-25-2004, 10:30 PM	#29
serious Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,594	I have found the behind the times statement to be true for mainstreamers as I try to branch out into that world, I was reading about an amazing new traffic generation technique for mainstream sites on one of their webmaster boards and it turned out to be some home page trading program. the majority of them don't seem to have any idea what they are doing, although im sure the ones that do are making a killing.

05-25-2004, 10:38 PM	#31
JulianSosa Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,042	If you mail you have traffic main stream or adult. I have a friend who is killing it of mainstream right now. PS he has an affiliate program LOL

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clickhappy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,027	I'm trying to do it now and it's fucking difficult. There so many scam "ebooks" made by people living in trailer parks. I hired a consultant who told me to load the site up with keywords and sit and wait to get spidered for the traffic to come. wow, great.

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Shaze Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 2,662	i got about 10 mainstream ventures and it is true that you can apply what you learned from adult to mainstream just in a different way, we are ahead of the curve..the problem is getting the business people in mainstream to follow your ideas in order for it to work. __________________ Adult Search Engine Japanese Porn Thai Porn

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Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	I don't think mainstream will pay as good as adult.

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swami Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: vanuatu Posts: 1,989	I make $3000 amonth from adsense.google sends me a cheque every month for me putting thier ads on my mainstreamsites such as this one. www.siemenssolar.com Last edited by swami; 05-25-2004 at 10:50 PM..

05-25-2004, 11:47 PM	#39
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	This thread was awesome. Thanks you everyone especially Warden Keep them coming!

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fudpuck Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: the woodwork Posts: 885	Mainstream is different than adult...simply because mainstream encompasses "everything else" other than adult. So it's very, very broad. It is a battle, and you should choose your battles wisely. Narrow your options down. Think of a solid storefront business that you would like to have...and start a part of that online and see how it goes. It's more complicated than that, but you get what I mean. If you just go into the 'mainstream business'....you won't have any focus, and you'll be treading water trying to figure out what to do the whole time. __________________ AMK Hosting - 3.2Ghz, 1GB RAM, 2x300GB RAID1 + 10Mbps for $249mo. ICQ: 15898919 - Ask me about remote backups for your data.

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05-26-2004, 04:42 AM	#48
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