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  • doornx
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    • Nov 2003
    • 2531

    #1

    i'll make you RICH!! well..less poor LESSON 1

    OK here goes...i thought i crank out a usefull post after all the "i'd hit britney with my ars sig" threads day in day out.

    What do i have for you..a lesson in bandwidth saving..or image optimization for that matter.
    For all of you posting galleries or for all noobs why freshly cranked out a site in photoshop it's to to optimize..

    When you cut you images try to seperate single (low color) parts/text with images containing loads of colors (persons)

    The low color parts are best to be saved as gif files and the high color parts as jpg's. Low color gifs are smaller in size and look much sharper than over optimized jpegs wich tend to become blurry.

    I have a few samples wich i would like to show first

    This is a random (let's pretend shall we) image from a gallery
    saved and optimized as a jpg file

    6.1 kb in size


    The gif version at 6.8kb / 128 colors


    Gif version at 4.4kb / 32 colors

    You saved 2.2 kb right therewith a single image in a few seconds
    There's almost no quality loss by converting it to 32 colors

    Next :


    jpg / 7.7kb

    Here's an image that's optimized as a jpg. The top part is text,
    bottom image only. Let's cut in in 2


    Top part - Gif / 3.7kb


    bottom part - jpg / 1.9kb
    Total saved 2.1kb

    This sounds like bullshit..saving a few kb..but if you own a tgp and you can optimize your logo byt cutting it in a few pieces or optimize your gallery and save 15kb/20kb it will save you a few bucks

    Let's do the match

    Let's say we get 100k traffic at the front pages of our tgp/galleries and we can save a total of 30kb on the normal graphics. I'm not even talking about optimizing thumbs, large images and stripping down 44khz stereo sound to 22khz mono
    (15% save right there)

    100.000 x 30kb / 1024 (to mb) / 1024 (to gig) = 2.8gig

    times 30 = 84gig

    times $0,50 overusage = $42 bucks for 10 minutes work

    Saving money is earning money...it might be a small amount to most of you but i've seen design i could hammer down a whopping 40% in size..

    Before i forget..macromedia fireworks is a great tool for optimzing images since you have a great preview tool in wich you can follow the process. It might not be the cheapest but try the trial and see if you like it.

    It's not a batch thumb optimizer (can be used for it though) but it's far more advanced.

    Hope this post was at least a bit usefull..till next time if i can find a good topic that is
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  • bringer
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    • Jul 2003
    • 13082

    #2
    thats amazing
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    • ArikaAmes
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      • Dec 2003
      • 3081

      #3
      Very good advice, thank you!

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      • doornx
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        • Nov 2003
        • 2531

        #4
        Originally posted by ArikaAmes
        Very good advice, thank you!
        you're welcome..quite a lot of typos =]] sorry for that
        Last edited by doornx; 05-23-2004, 05:09 PM.
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        • reynold
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Oct 2002
          • 51271

          #5
          Noted. Thanks!

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          • ArikaAmes
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            • Dec 2003
            • 3081

            #6
            Originally posted by doornx
            you're welcome..quite a lot of typos =]] sorry for that
            np, I had no problem at all following it! I have been meaning to get some opto done on my site for a while now. I think this may be tonight's task.

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            • doornx
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              • Nov 2003
              • 2531

              #7
              Originally posted by ArikaAmes
              np, I had no problem at all following it! I have been meaning to get some opto done on my site for a while now. I think this may be tonight's task.
              at least 1 soul saved..

              if you have any questions just post them here
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              • Jer
                God is Brazilian
                • Feb 2001
                • 10601

                #8
                "Creative" must read this.

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                • doornx
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                  • Nov 2003
                  • 2531

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jer
                  "Creative" must read this.
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                  • woj
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 47882

                    #10
                    good tip
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                    • TAMPA_TOKER
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • May 2004
                      • 1907

                      #11
                      Good post

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                      • MuleScrote
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 4601

                        #12
                        No matter how long I've been in the biz, or how much I think I know, I love to see people posting informative or tutorial threads.

                        Excellent post, optimization is certainly something worth taking a few extra minutes on.

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                        • skinnay
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                          • Apr 2004
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                          #13
                          why is it that gifs are better for "text" images?
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                          • smokingdawn
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                            • Feb 2004
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                            #14
                            Nice advice..thanks!

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                            • bignasty
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                              • Nov 2003
                              • 1421

                              #15
                              Thats a good piece of advice. Not only does it save bandwidth it will help your page load faster.
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                              • Angelie
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                                • Jul 2001
                                • 1466

                                #16
                                Rock out Thanks!

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                                • doornx
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                                  • Nov 2003
                                  • 2531

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by skinnay
                                  why is it that gifs are better for "text" images?
                                  jpg tends to blend/blur colors when you optimize them a tad too much...

                                  when you do this too text based images they get ugly...gifs are limited to 256 colors, however, if you need 256 colors you're almost always bettr off converting it to gif


                                  Text images are mostly low color pics when cut right, that's why gif is the best..low size, much sharper since gifs don't get blurry

                                  There must be a better explanation for it but just try and test for yourlself

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                                  • doornx
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                                    • Nov 2003
                                    • 2531

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Angelie
                                    Rock out Thanks!

                                    How come we don't have a Rock Out Smile here on GFY?
                                    Angelie, your sig is the perfect example..yours is 46.8kb at the moment



                                    this one is 21kb
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                                    • doornx
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                                      • Nov 2003
                                      • 2531

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by bignasty
                                      Thats a good piece of advice. Not only does it save bandwidth it will help your page load faster.
                                      i forgot to mention that indeed...faster loading pages likely result in more sales since less surfers leave your page before it's fully loaded
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                                      • Shoehorn!
                                        Die With Your Boots On
                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 22872

                                        #20
                                        Excellent advice, and great post.

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                                        • erehwon
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                                          • Nov 2003
                                          • 3759

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Jer
                                          "Creative" must read this.
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                                          • Maximillion
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                                            • Apr 2003
                                            • 795

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by bringer
                                            thats amazing




                                            There are suprisingly a lot of people that don't optimize...

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                                            • Jer
                                              God is Brazilian
                                              • Feb 2001
                                              • 10601

                                              #23
                                              Creative, have you read this thread yet? Please post "OK".

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                                              • Downtime
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                                                • May 2004
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                                                #24
                                                Awesome tutorial, thanks!
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                                                • cluck
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                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                  • 5248

                                                  #25
                                                  That's one of the most basic parts of design but I'm sure alot of webmasters haven't even thought about it. Good lookin out for the average webmaster. Image size should be thought of as an expense
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                                                  • Oberon
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                                                    • Jul 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by bringer
                                                    thats amazing
                                                    no, the amazing part was the fact that a useful thread was still somewhere near the top when I found it.

                                                    Bump.

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                                                    • Holly
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                      • 10017

                                                      #27
                                                      Really great info in this thread. I knew about the jpg & gif differences and slicing images up, but that was good advice about slicing the text/graphics parts from the photo parts and how much bw you can save using jpg/gif combos. I'm gonna try to remember to do that.
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                                                      • SykkBoy2
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                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                        • 19969

                                                        #28
                                                        noooooooooooo
                                                        useful posts on GFY might set a precedent
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                                                        Good post and something I always ntry to do when designing.
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                                                        • EZRhino
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                                                          • Jul 2003
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                                                          #29
                                                          Good post

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                                                          • EviLGuY
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Apr 2003
                                                            • 12745

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by cluck
                                                            That's one of the most basic parts of design but I'm sure alot of webmasters haven't even thought about it. Good lookin out for the average webmaster. Image size should be thought of as an expense
                                                            I dont optimize near as much as I used to these days. Bandwidth keeps getting cheaper and surfers keep getting faster connections. At some point its just not profitable to spend the time itself doing this unless you can batch it.

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                                                            • Axeman
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                                                              • Feb 2004
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                                                              #31
                                                              very good post
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                                                              • newsdude
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                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                • 1969

                                                                #32
                                                                Good advice!
                                                                SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                                                • Sly_RJ
                                                                  Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                  • 17042

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I'll give this guy a short but sweet plug... I wish I had enough work to hire him full time, he's my new favorite designer. He's built several galleries for Skin Traffic and they are just fantastic. His video optimizing is quite good, too.
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                                                                  • Illicit
                                                                    wtf ?
                                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                                    • 11895

                                                                    #34
                                                                    good advice... I had just started saving alot of things as gifs, your right there is barely any quality loss but the file size sure is alot better
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                                                                    • Lykos
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                      • 31032

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I am shure many guys here will fallow that exellent advice,very good

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                                                                      • Lane
                                                                        Will code for food...
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 8496

                                                                        #36
                                                                        here is my little tip

                                                                        use two-pass encoding when doing wmv files, the compression gets better.

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                                                                        • pure energy
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                                                                          • Apr 2004
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          That will come in handy! Thanks!
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                                                                          • Creative
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Apr 2004
                                                                            • 1252

                                                                            #38
                                                                            oh fuck no

                                                                            1) open photoshop
                                                                            2) 900 x 800
                                                                            3) make the hugest, 31337 banner with tons of hack codes and intrusion scriptz encoded into image
                                                                            4) save it as a high quality .jpg
                                                                            5) open a gif animator and make the same exact frame play 1,000 times to M4X1M1Z3 F1L3 S1Z3!
                                                                            6) Sell professional 31337 banner for $8.00

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                                                                            • doornx
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                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                              • 2531

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                              I'll give this guy a short but sweet plug... I wish I had enough work to hire him full time, he's my new favorite designer. He's built several galleries for Skin Traffic and they are just fantastic. His video optimizing is quite good, too.
                                                                              Thanks Sly You now you can always hit me up when you need something

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                                                                              • johnbosh
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                                                                                • Aug 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by bringer
                                                                                thats amazing
                                                                                its amazing mike

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                                                                                • boyw_utr
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                  • 310

                                                                                  #41


                                                                                  This is a costs saver for sure
                                                                                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                                                                  • Reak
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                    • 17920

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I'm going to use this for sure

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                                                                                    • TexasGuy
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                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                      • 432

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Optimizing saves money

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                                                                                      • mind
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                                                                                        • Apr 2004
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by skinnay
                                                                                        why is it that gifs are better for "text" images?
                                                                                        gifs reduces amounts of colors used - while jpeg compresses the images - since text is often a matter of few pixels, this compression will very easy fuck up text. Jpeg however is usually more effective on larger images though.

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                                                                                        • ocho-ocho
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                                                                                          • Apr 2004
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          wow! thats great...thank yaw...
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                                                                                          • Nicky
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                            • 30071

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Good post, but why I optimize is cause I want the page to load faster, I dont really care about the overage, since my overage is at $0,05 per gig

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                                                                                            • iDiz
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                                                                                              • Apr 2004
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Nice !
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                                                                                              • doornx
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                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                • 2531

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by mind
                                                                                                gifs reduces amounts of colors used - while jpeg compresses the images - since text is often a matter of few pixels, this compression will very easy fuck up text. Jpeg however is usually more effective on larger images though.
                                                                                                well...there you have it
                                                                                                I used pretty small examples indeed so with a full page ad it should really work out well

                                                                                                Wether you do it for the bandwidth or for speeding up the load times it's a must do wich is often forgotten
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                                                                                                • KMR Stitch
                                                                                                  I am cool
                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                  • 14494

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Bump this is a great thread =)

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                                                                                                  • sixxxth_sense
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                                    • 2430

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    This thread is pointless!

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