I had to drop 3 fucking sponsors today - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

FlyingIguana · 05-20-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
You can go to tools in ccbill and see if the sponsor has shave turned on..

the funny thing is they trun this feature on when most of the sponsors where at a big show, some of the ones that had it on got caught...

who got caught?

Ian · 05-20-2004, 06:10 PM

We don't shave and never have. That said, it has been up and down lately.

scamdotcom · 05-20-2004, 06:21 PM

I will not defend any program but I will say this.
I have been on both ends of this, as an affiliate and as an owner and one of the most important things to remember is that new programs often do GREAT then drop off. If you have a bookmarked website then you always get an initial spike, then it drops off. I like to think of sponsors like exit traffic...keep it fresh.

And anyone that uses 3rd party billers know that at certain times of the month they turn the "scrub" up and down....and that's a fact.

Vick · 05-20-2004, 06:56 PM

Every sponsor shaves - question anyone who says different

(I can tell you how sponsors using CCBill like I do shave but the shave is not intentional and is a very small %)

I've been in this business 7 years and operate an excellent affiliate program

Bottom line, figure out how much you earn per visitor and go with the sponsor who makes you the most per visitor

Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com paid on average .04 per visitor in the calender year 2003

If you didn't earn that with your current sponsor I ask you to try Cloud 9 Cash

If we haven't had the pleasure of meeting or you have any questions about Cloud 9 Cash or myself please feel free to email

ArikaAmes · 05-20-2004, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Vick
Every sponsor shaves

Wrong.

WWC · 05-20-2004, 08:12 PM

we use 3 3rd party processors such as Epoch, CCbill and Jettis

sponsor who pay normal payouts are those who dont shave...simple as that...sponsors who pay $85 per sign up simply shave, dont understand how they make a profit otherwise...and meet your sponsors...come visit our booth at CyberNet Expo this June 9th-12th...

everyone has the power to shave, even 3rd party processors have the ability to shave us, we simply monitor very closely and just have to trust them....

sixxxth_sense · 05-20-2004, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by CyberTraffic
I'm so goddamned tired of wasting money on sponsors who shave.

A lot of people say it's ok if they shave, because it "evens out".

Well, not cool with me, you give me one solid week of high conversions and then give me zero the next week, I don't forget. This is my money, my resources, my fucking time being spent on your stupid little fucking program and I will not waste it so you can lure hundreds of gallery submitters to your program with high payouts.

It's fucking bullshit and it pisses me the fuck off.

If you're a sponsor who shaves, go to hell, if you're not, beg a webmaster to give you a referral, cause I'm not going to trust you.

Thanks.

You forgot to tell us who is it that shaved you. Just so we can drop'm 2

Gator · 05-20-2004, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Oh Sheila
I find it hard to believe that making sales one week and none the next is shaving.

Think about it, if a sponsor were shaving their #1 priority would be to hide any evidence of it, stealing ALL your sales for an entire week would be far too obvious.

If you were going to shave somebody, would you take ALL of their sales for a full week? No way, too obvious.

That's the genious of it.

pussyluver · 05-20-2004, 08:22 PM

Just cause a sponsor uses CCBill does not mean they are not shaving. There are ways... If search worked, I'd post the threads. CCBill seems to scrub a bit hard. So that means fewer sales. Maybe that's good or required? Their checks arrive like clock work and they answer the phone and email. So its hard to bitch about them.

pussyluver · 05-20-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by AdultLoungeRaffi
we use 3 3rd party processors such as Epoch, CCbill and Jettis

sponsor who pay normal payouts are those who dont shave...simple as that...sponsors who pay $85 per sign up simply shave, dont understand how they make a profit otherwise...and meet your sponsors...come visit our booth at CyberNet Expo this June 9th-12th...

everyone has the power to shave, even 3rd party processors have the ability to shave us, we simply monitor very closely and just have to trust them....

I prefer revshare. Seems safer. But I also like the checks I'm getting for trials on the other programs. In fact it adds up to more $$ than my revshare account sponsors.

Sales change week to week. I think just cause you see big swings does not mean a sponsor is shaving. Yeah, it gives one pause, cause traffic is for the most part of the same quality and changes slowly over time. There are exceptions of course, like a big gift from Google or a gallery on thehun.

DavePlays · 05-20-2004, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by CyberTraffic
I'm so goddamned tired of wasting money on sponsors who shave.

A lot of people say it's ok if they shave, because it "evens out".

Well, not cool with me, you give me one solid week of high conversions and then give me zero the next week, I don't forget. This is my money, my resources, my fucking time being spent on your stupid little fucking program and I will not waste it so you can lure hundreds of gallery submitters to your program with high payouts.

It's fucking bullshit and it pisses me the fuck off.

If you're a sponsor who shaves, go to hell, if you're not, beg a webmaster to give you a referral, cause I'm not going to trust you.

Thanks.

Is one of them TopBucks?

TheSaint · 05-20-2004, 09:28 PM

Bottom line is, I don't promote anybody not using a third party system, period.

If you want to have your own program fine, get an audit from a real accounting firm and maybe I'll promote it.

Otherwise, forget about it. I don't do business on the basis of "we'll let you know what we owe you", sorry, just not for me.

By the way I'm not pushing my own CCBill program here - in fact I am too lazy to even fix the sig so you can read it.

HAPPYPEEKERS · 05-20-2004, 09:32 PM

nicely said!

xxxjay · 05-20-2004, 10:13 PM

.CJ Bucks does not shave because I've been standing at there at a desk in the office - looking at the admin for the program.

See me sig for a good list of considerations.

Vick · 05-20-2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by ArikaAmes
Wrong.

Sorry you feel that way but
.....Either you don't know this business or you're naive

Just the facts

Forget the shave factor, see where you earn the most $

Nicky · 05-20-2004, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CyberTraffic
I'm so goddamned tired of wasting money on sponsors who shave.

A lot of people say it's ok if they shave, because it "evens out".

Well, not cool with me, you give me one solid week of high conversions and then give me zero the next week, I don't forget. This is my money, my resources, my fucking time being spent on your stupid little fucking program and I will not waste it so you can lure hundreds of gallery submitters to your program with high payouts.

It's fucking bullshit and it pisses me the fuck off.

If you're a sponsor who shaves, go to hell, if you're not, beg a webmaster to give you a referral, cause I'm not going to trust you.

Thanks.

Is PIB Cash one of them?? woahahaha

Paul Markham · 05-20-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Shaving = skimming sales..

But let's face it. Sponsors that pay out big money for signups are shaving. We know how long these surfers recurr today. We know the average numbers. Do the math.. IT is impossible to pay out 35 , 40, 45 dollars and more on a singup and stay in biz.

Very true, some of the figures being offered are telling you "I WILL SHAVE YOU"

For instance big payouts on a $3.00 trial, then the $100 a sign up weekend deals. Even with the extra traffic that webmasters bring in they could not survive with all the other costs. It would be cheaper to buy 5 spots on the Hun every day.

SixNine · 05-20-2004, 10:43 PM

If you're sick of shaving sponsors run this test then give us a shot with some of your hard earned traffic...

Here's my standing offer, redeem it any time...
Get 10 (or 100) of your buddies with credit cards. Hit any of our sites via any SoulCash ID at any time (6 months from now for all I care.) and come back here and tell your peers the results. When it's said and done let me know the account ID and I'll refund all the joins.

How many sponsors step up with an offer like that?
We pay $30 - $35 bucks for every join you send with no bullshit!

Plus our sites are bad ass:
http://www.soulcash.com/sites.htm

Whatever your decison good luck

SixNine
SoulCash.com

Paul Markham · 05-20-2004, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SixNine
If you're sick of shaving sponsors run this test then give us a shot with some of your hard earned traffic...

Here's my standing offer, redeem it any time...
Get 10 (or 100) of your buddies with credit cards. Hit any of our sites via any SoulCash ID at any time (6 months from now for all I care.) and come back here and tell your peers the results. When it's said and done let me know the account ID and I'll refund all the joins.

How many sponsors step up with an offer like that?
We pay $30 - $35 bucks for every join you send with no bullshit!

Plus our sites are bad ass:
http://www.soulcash.com/sites.htm

Whatever your decison good luck

SixNine
SoulCash.com

I can never understand why webmasters have not got together and organised something like this. Then gone to a lawyer and sued the arse off a sponsor.

Shaving = theft = A CRIME

Argoz · 05-20-2004, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CyberTraffic
I'm so goddamned tired of wasting money on sponsors who shave.

A lot of people say it's ok if they shave, because it "evens out".

Well, not cool with me, you give me one solid week of high conversions and then give me zero the next week, I don't forget. This is my money, my resources, my fucking time being spent on your stupid little fucking program and I will not waste it so you can lure hundreds of gallery submitters to your program with high payouts.

It's fucking bullshit and it pisses me the fuck off.

If you're a sponsor who shaves, go to hell, if you're not, beg a webmaster to give you a referral, cause I'm not going to trust you.

Thanks.

Honeyslut · 05-20-2004, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oh Sheila
I find it hard to believe that making sales one week and none the next is shaving.

Think about it, if a sponsor were shaving their #1 priority would be to hide any evidence of it, stealing ALL your sales for an entire week would be far too obvious.

If you were going to shave somebody, would you take ALL of their sales for a full week? No way, too obvious.

I agree.

There is are patterns to sales . It is just like retail.

Pornwolf · 05-21-2004, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SixNine
If you're sick of shaving sponsors run this test then give us a shot with some of your hard earned traffic...

Here's my standing offer, redeem it any time...
Get 10 (or 100) of your buddies with credit cards. Hit any of our sites via any SoulCash ID at any time (6 months from now for all I care.) and come back here and tell your peers the results. When it's said and done let me know the account ID and I'll refund all the joins.

How many sponsors step up with an offer like that?
We pay $30 - $35 bucks for every join you send with no bullshit!

Plus our sites are bad ass:
http://www.soulcash.com/sites.htm

Whatever your decison good luck

SixNine
SoulCash.com

05-20-2004, 06:21 PM	#53
scamdotcom Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 138	I will not defend any program but I will say this. I have been on both ends of this, as an affiliate and as an owner and one of the most important things to remember is that new programs often do GREAT then drop off. If you have a bookmarked website then you always get an initial spike, then it drops off. I like to think of sponsors like exit traffic...keep it fresh. And anyone that uses 3rd party billers know that at certain times of the month they turn the "scrub" up and down....and that's a fact. __________________ Report Scams Here - scam.com Last edited by scamdotcom; 05-20-2004 at 06:23 PM..

05-20-2004, 06:56 PM	#54
Vick Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Little South of Sanity Posts: 178	Every sponsor shaves - question anyone who says different (I can tell you how sponsors using CCBill like I do shave but the shave is not intentional and is a very small %) I've been in this business 7 years and operate an excellent affiliate program Bottom line, figure out how much you earn per visitor and go with the sponsor who makes you the most per visitor Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com paid on average .04 per visitor in the calender year 2003 If you didn't earn that with your current sponsor I ask you to try Cloud 9 Cash If we haven't had the pleasure of meeting or you have any questions about Cloud 9 Cash or myself please feel free to email __________________ Cloud9Cash.com

05-20-2004, 08:12 PM	#56
WWC #1 Adult Content Provider Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Glendale, Ca Posts: 11,577	we use 3 3rd party processors such as Epoch, CCbill and Jettis sponsor who pay normal payouts are those who dont shave...simple as that...sponsors who pay $85 per sign up simply shave, dont understand how they make a profit otherwise...and meet your sponsors...come visit our booth at CyberNet Expo this June 9th-12th... everyone has the power to shave, even 3rd party processors have the ability to shave us, we simply monitor very closely and just have to trust them.... __________________ [email protected] ICQ : 494-353-230 Follow WWC on Twitter CLICK HERE! " CONTENT PROVIDER OF THE YEAR! " ~ 2007 , 2008 & 2009 XBIZ AWARDS WINNER! .......www.WorldWideContent.com / www.WorldWideFeeds.com...... WWC Nominated " Content Licensor of The Year " 2010 XBiz Awards !!!

05-20-2004, 09:28 PM	#62
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	Bottom line is, I don't promote anybody not using a third party system, period. If you want to have your own program fine, get an audit from a real accounting firm and maybe I'll promote it. Otherwise, forget about it. I don't do business on the basis of "we'll let you know what we owe you", sorry, just not for me. By the way I'm not pushing my own CCBill program here - in fact I am too lazy to even fix the sig so you can read it. __________________ I have no signature

05-20-2004, 09:32 PM	#63
HAPPYPEEKERS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 7,562	nicely said! __________________ Please Read All Of My Posts In A Sarcastic Tone So You Get The Full Effect!! HappyPeekers - April

05-20-2004, 06:10 PM	#52
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	We don't shave and never have. That said, it has been up and down lately.

05-20-2004, 08:22 PM	#59
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Just cause a sponsor uses CCBill does not mean they are not shaving. There are ways... If search worked, I'd post the threads. CCBill seems to scrub a bit hard. So that means fewer sales. Maybe that's good or required? Their checks arrive like clock work and they answer the phone and email. So its hard to bitch about them.

05-20-2004, 10:13 PM	#64
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	.CJ Bucks does not shave because I've been standing at there at a desk in the office - looking at the admin for the program. See me sig for a good list of considerations. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

05-20-2004, 10:43 PM	#68
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	If you're sick of shaving sponsors run this test then give us a shot with some of your hard earned traffic... Here's my standing offer, redeem it any time... Get 10 (or 100) of your buddies with credit cards. Hit any of our sites via any SoulCash ID at any time (6 months from now for all I care.) and come back here and tell your peers the results. When it's said and done let me know the account ID and I'll refund all the joins. How many sponsors step up with an offer like that? We pay $30 - $35 bucks for every join you send with no bullshit! Plus our sites are bad ass: http://www.soulcash.com/sites.htm Whatever your decison good luck SixNine SoulCash.com