Amen They want the biggest percentage of the sale for life, free hosting, big parties, dinners, limo rides and prizes. Then they are surprised about shaving.

yea, but you still cant see if they have your cookie set to expire in 6 hrs or 6 months....

Fuck that shit, all I want is what I earn. Period.

All of that other shit does'nt matter to me, and even if it did, it still does'nt put food on my plate.

Just cause a handful of spoiled celebrity wannabe's want the luxury treatment at some brown-nosing fest does'nt mean anyone needs to accomodate them.

I'va had it with them myself. Throw you a bone, then nothing. I'm changing all mine over to pay sites.

Cool you mentioned that! That was one of the first things I thought of putting on the affiliate page when I was preparing it yesterday! I know that I'd like to know what the sponsors I was using before had it set on. The other thing is the processing fee. I never noticed it before (I just deposit the cheques :-) ) then when looking in the CCBill panel, saw that option - now, as an affiliate, why the fuck should I pay your operating costs if you are saying that you pay 50-60% but in reality you charge me another 5-8% of my dollar value to pay for your operating costs?

Anyhow, I made sure webmasters would be more aware of the options a site owner has by stating what I am & can give them.
As for the cookies - I set that to the maximum allowable, 255 days.

We have what you need to succeed!

CCbill makes sure you get paid every week like clockwork...

http://www.howigotrich.com/images/di...bill_bling.jpg



Dirty D bows in respect to all of our affiliates :thumbsup

It is impossible for you to look at a site and say "My traffic will convert 1:300 with this site"

If you arent smart enough to figure out how someone can pay $40 a sale then you really shouldnt comment on it. I'm not saying that people paying $40 a sale dont shave, but I'm saying it would easily be done on a normal porn site without shaving.

This is why I promote hard goods like toys.

I have had consistant conversions for years with LIFETIME commissions. I use my own domains to stear the traffic so bookmarks are on my URL.

I myself are fed up with cheaters in the biz. It gets me sick as ANY shaving should not be tolerated.

For example:

"can I fuck your wife? You won't notice as while I am fucking her she will give you the same amout of sex as before I was fucking her."

...would you accept this? Then why accept it in biz?

who got caught?

We don't shave and never have. That said, it has been up and down lately. :)

I will not defend any program but I will say this.
I have been on both ends of this, as an affiliate and as an owner and one of the most important things to remember is that new programs often do GREAT then drop off. If you have a bookmarked website then you always get an initial spike, then it drops off. I like to think of sponsors like exit traffic...keep it fresh.

And anyone that uses 3rd party billers know that at certain times of the month they turn the "scrub" up and down....and that's a fact.

Every sponsor shaves - question anyone who says different

(I can tell you how sponsors using CCBill like I do shave but the shave is not intentional and is a very small %)

I've been in this business 7 years and operate an excellent affiliate program

Bottom line, figure out how much you earn per visitor and go with the sponsor who makes you the most per visitor

Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com paid on average .04 per visitor in the calender year 2003

If you didn't earn that with your current sponsor I ask you to try Cloud 9 Cash

If we haven't had the pleasure of meeting or you have any questions about Cloud 9 Cash or myself please feel free to email

Wrong. :mad:

we use 3 3rd party processors such as Epoch, CCbill and Jettis

sponsor who pay normal payouts are those who dont shave...simple as that...sponsors who pay $85 per sign up simply shave, dont understand how they make a profit otherwise...and meet your sponsors...come visit our booth at CyberNet Expo this June 9th-12th...

everyone has the power to shave, even 3rd party processors have the ability to shave us, we simply monitor very closely and just have to trust them....

You forgot to tell us who is it that shaved you. Just so we can drop'm 2 :)

That's the genious of it.

Just cause a sponsor uses CCBill does not mean they are not shaving. There are ways... If search worked, I'd post the threads. CCBill seems to scrub a bit hard. So that means fewer sales. Maybe that's good or required? Their checks arrive like clock work and they answer the phone and email. So its hard to bitch about them.

I prefer revshare. Seems safer. But I also like the checks I'm getting for trials on the other programs. In fact it adds up to more $$ than my revshare account sponsors.

Sales change week to week. I think just cause you see big swings does not mean a sponsor is shaving. Yeah, it gives one pause, cause traffic is for the most part of the same quality and changes slowly over time. There are exceptions of course, like a big gift from Google or a gallery on thehun.

Is one of them TopBucks?

Bottom line is, I don't promote anybody not using a third party system, period.

If you want to have your own program fine, get an audit from a real accounting firm and maybe I'll promote it.

Otherwise, forget about it. I don't do business on the basis of "we'll let you know what we owe you", sorry, just not for me.

By the way I'm not pushing my own CCBill program here - in fact I am too lazy to even fix the sig so you can read it.

nicely said! :thumbsup

.CJ Bucks does not shave because I've been standing at there at a desk in the office - looking at the admin for the program.

See me sig for a good list of considerations.

Sorry you feel that way but
.....Either you don't know this business or you're naive

Just the facts

Forget the shave factor, see where you earn the most $

Is PIB Cash one of them?? woahahaha :1orglaugh

Very true, some of the figures being offered are telling you "I WILL SHAVE YOU"

For instance big payouts on a $3.00 trial, then the $100 a sign up weekend deals. Even with the extra traffic that webmasters bring in they could not survive with all the other costs. It would be cheaper to buy 5 spots on the Hun every day.

If you're sick of shaving sponsors run this test then give us a shot with some of your hard earned traffic...

Here's my standing offer, redeem it any time...
Get 10 (or 100) of your buddies with credit cards. Hit any of our sites via any SoulCash ID at any time (6 months from now for all I care.) and come back here and tell your peers the results. When it's said and done let me know the account ID and I'll refund all the joins.

How many sponsors step up with an offer like that?
We pay $30 - $35 bucks for every join you send with no bullshit!

Plus our sites are bad ass:
http://www.soulcash.com/sites.htm

Whatever your decison good luck :thumbsup

SixNine
SoulCash.com

I can never understand why webmasters have not got together and organised something like this. Then gone to a lawyer and sued the arse off a sponsor.

Shaving = theft = A CRIME

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I agree.


There is are patterns to sales . It is just like retail.

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