who got caught?

We don't shave and never have. That said, it has been up and down lately. :)

I will not defend any program but I will say this.
I have been on both ends of this, as an affiliate and as an owner and one of the most important things to remember is that new programs often do GREAT then drop off. If you have a bookmarked website then you always get an initial spike, then it drops off. I like to think of sponsors like exit traffic...keep it fresh.

And anyone that uses 3rd party billers know that at certain times of the month they turn the "scrub" up and down....and that's a fact.

Every sponsor shaves - question anyone who says different

(I can tell you how sponsors using CCBill like I do shave but the shave is not intentional and is a very small %)

I've been in this business 7 years and operate an excellent affiliate program

Bottom line, figure out how much you earn per visitor and go with the sponsor who makes you the most per visitor

Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com paid on average .04 per visitor in the calender year 2003

If you didn't earn that with your current sponsor I ask you to try Cloud 9 Cash

If we haven't had the pleasure of meeting or you have any questions about Cloud 9 Cash or myself please feel free to email

Wrong. :mad:

we use 3 3rd party processors such as Epoch, CCbill and Jettis

sponsor who pay normal payouts are those who dont shave...simple as that...sponsors who pay $85 per sign up simply shave, dont understand how they make a profit otherwise...and meet your sponsors...come visit our booth at CyberNet Expo this June 9th-12th...

everyone has the power to shave, even 3rd party processors have the ability to shave us, we simply monitor very closely and just have to trust them....

You forgot to tell us who is it that shaved you. Just so we can drop'm 2 :)

That's the genious of it.

Just cause a sponsor uses CCBill does not mean they are not shaving. There are ways... If search worked, I'd post the threads. CCBill seems to scrub a bit hard. So that means fewer sales. Maybe that's good or required? Their checks arrive like clock work and they answer the phone and email. So its hard to bitch about them.

I prefer revshare. Seems safer. But I also like the checks I'm getting for trials on the other programs. In fact it adds up to more $$ than my revshare account sponsors.

Sales change week to week. I think just cause you see big swings does not mean a sponsor is shaving. Yeah, it gives one pause, cause traffic is for the most part of the same quality and changes slowly over time. There are exceptions of course, like a big gift from Google or a gallery on thehun.

Is one of them TopBucks?

Bottom line is, I don't promote anybody not using a third party system, period.

If you want to have your own program fine, get an audit from a real accounting firm and maybe I'll promote it.

Otherwise, forget about it. I don't do business on the basis of "we'll let you know what we owe you", sorry, just not for me.

By the way I'm not pushing my own CCBill program here - in fact I am too lazy to even fix the sig so you can read it.

nicely said! :thumbsup

.CJ Bucks does not shave because I've been standing at there at a desk in the office - looking at the admin for the program.

See me sig for a good list of considerations.

Sorry you feel that way but
.....Either you don't know this business or you're naive

Just the facts

Forget the shave factor, see where you earn the most $

Is PIB Cash one of them?? woahahaha :1orglaugh

Very true, some of the figures being offered are telling you "I WILL SHAVE YOU"

For instance big payouts on a $3.00 trial, then the $100 a sign up weekend deals. Even with the extra traffic that webmasters bring in they could not survive with all the other costs. It would be cheaper to buy 5 spots on the Hun every day.

If you're sick of shaving sponsors run this test then give us a shot with some of your hard earned traffic...

Here's my standing offer, redeem it any time...
Get 10 (or 100) of your buddies with credit cards. Hit any of our sites via any SoulCash ID at any time (6 months from now for all I care.) and come back here and tell your peers the results. When it's said and done let me know the account ID and I'll refund all the joins.

How many sponsors step up with an offer like that?
We pay $30 - $35 bucks for every join you send with no bullshit!

Plus our sites are bad ass:
http://www.soulcash.com/sites.htm

Whatever your decison good luck :thumbsup

SixNine
SoulCash.com

I can never understand why webmasters have not got together and organised something like this. Then gone to a lawyer and sued the arse off a sponsor.

Shaving = theft = A CRIME

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I agree.


There is are patterns to sales . It is just like retail.

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