PISSED OFF JEWS! Sen. Hollings Says Iraq War Started To Satisfy Israelis? - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 05-19-2004, 02:40 PM

http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings...004506A17.html

OPINION
Bush's failed Mideast policy is creating more terrorism
By U.S. Senator Ernest F. Hollings

Originally published in the Charleston Post and Courier
May 6, 2004

With 760 dead in Iraq and over 3,000 maimed for life, home folks continue to argue why we are in Iraq -- and how to get out.

Now everyone knows what was not the cause. Even President Bush acknowledges that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Listing the 45 countries where al-Qaida was operating on September 11 (70 cells in the U.S.), the State Department did not list Iraq. Richard Clarke, in "Against All Enemies," tells how the United States had not received any threat of terrorism for 10 years from Saddam at the time of our invasion.

On Page 231, John McLaughlin of the CIA verifies this to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. In 1993, President Clinton responded to Saddam's attempt on the life of President George H.W. Bush by putting a missile down on Saddam's intelligence headquarters in Baghdad. Not a big kill, but Saddam got the message -- monkey around with the United States and a missile lands on his head. Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know.

Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if there were any or if they had been removed. With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel.

Led by Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer, for years there has been a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel's security is to spread democracy in the area. Wolfowitz wrote: "The United States may not be able to lead countries through the door of democracy, but where that door is locked shut by a totalitarian deadbolt, American power may be the only way to open it up." And on another occasion: Iraq as "the first Arab democracy ... would cast a very large shadow, starting with Syria and Iran but across the whole Arab world." Three weeks before the invasion, President Bush stated: "A new regime in Iraq would serve as a dramatic and inspiring example for freedom for other nations in the region."

Every president since 1947 has made a futile attempt to help Israel negotiate peace. But no leadership has surfaced amongst the Palestinians that can make a binding agreement. President Bush realized his chances at negotiation were no better. He came to office imbued with one thought -- re-election. Bush felt tax cuts would hold his crowd together and spreading democracy in the Mideast to secure Israel would take the Jewish vote from the Democrats. You don't come to town and announce your Israel policy is to invade Iraq. But George W. Bush, as stated by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and others, started laying the groundwork to invade Iraq days after inauguration. And, without any Iraq connection to 9/11, within weeks he had the Pentagon outlining a plan to invade Iraq. He was determined.

President Bush thought taking Iraq would be easy. Wolfowitz said it would take only seven days. Vice President Cheney believed we would be greeted as liberators. But Cheney's man, Chalabi, made a mess of the de-Baathification of Iraq by dismissing Republican Guard leadership and Sunni leaders who soon joined with the insurgents. Worst of all, we tried to secure Iraq with too few troops.

In 1966 in South Vietnam, with a population of 16,543,000, Gen. William C. Westmoreland, with 535,000 U.S. troops was still asking for more. In Iraq with a population of 24,683,000, Gen. John Abizaid with only 135,000 troops can barely secure the troops much less the country. If the troops are there to fight, they are too few. If there to die, they are too many. To secure Iraq we need more troops -- at least 100,000 more. The only way to get the United Nations back in Iraq is to make the country secure. Once back, the French, Germans and others will join with the U.N. to take over.

With President Bush's domino policy in the Mideast gone awry, he keeps shouting, "Terrorism War." Terrorism is a method, not a war. We don't call the Crimean War with the Charge of the Light Brigade the Cavalry War. Or World War II the Blitzkrieg War. There is terrorism in Northern Ireland against the Brits. There is terrorism in India and in Pakistan. In the Mideast, terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily. Here, might does not make right -- right makes might. Acting militarily, we have created more terrorism than we have eliminated.

Big Monkie · 05-19-2004, 05:28 PM

Well, he can kiss his political career goodbye. Not too many american politicians have the guts to say anything bad about israel and the ones that do usually dont last very long. When ariel says jump most of em ask how high.
This is all pretty much correct except it was only part of the reason.

69pornlinks · 05-19-2004, 05:42 PM

if you wanna see how powerful jews are typpe jew in google and read the very top placement....google explining themsevles

now that's gangsta

genomega · 05-19-2004, 05:55 PM

Hollings did not write this, he can't string together two words anymore.

Terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily.

The only flaw here is who in the hell do you negotiate with?
What could you give them, make everyone buy a prayer rug?

Big Monkie · 05-19-2004, 06:05 PM

I dont think its a matter of negotiation because terrorists are mostly a bunch of individuals. Its not the same as dealing with states. The real solution is to stop our totally one sided blind support of israel and, even more important, stop fucking around with other peoples countries with the cia and other means. But dont hold your breath for that one. Geez, if you look at all the "evil" dictators over the last 50 years probably half of em have been either installed outright through cia backed coups or at least supported for some reason or other. The shah of iran, saddam, etc.

Matiz · 05-19-2004, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Monkie
I dont think its a matter of negotiation because terrorists are mostly a bunch of individuals. Its not the same as dealing with states. The real solution is to stop our totally one sided blind support of israel and, even more important, stop fucking around with other peoples countries with the cia and other means. But dont hold your breath for that one. Geez, if you look at all the "evil" dictators over the last 50 years probably half of em have been either installed outright through cia backed coups or at least supported for some reason or other. The shah of iran, saddam, etc.

What he said.

genomega · 05-19-2004, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Monkie
I dont think its a matter of negotiation because terrorists are mostly a bunch of individuals. Its not the same as dealing with states. The real solution is to stop our totally one sided blind support of israel and, even more important, stop fucking around with other peoples countries with the cia and other means. But dont hold your breath for that one. Geez, if you look at all the "evil" dictators over the last 50 years probably half of em have been either installed outright through cia backed coups or at least supported for some reason or other. The shah of iran, saddam, etc.

Everything you have written is wrong but don't let facts get in the way.

rezdesign · 05-19-2004, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 69pornlinks
if you wanna see how powerful jews are typpe jew in google and read the very top placement....google explining themsevles now that's gangsta

holy shit... wtf

rezdesign · 05-19-2004, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by porntop10
holy shit... wtf

searching for the "n" word, the "c" word, the "p" word or any other racist words doesn't result in an "Explanation".

http://www.google.com/explanation.html

I just don't get it, someone explain. And don't fuggin' call me anti-Semitic, I just don't like INEQUALITY!

...killuminati.

Roger · 05-19-2004, 07:34 PM

It's not the Jews, it's the Christian zionists who support the state of Israel and want to bring on the Apocalypse. There's 50 million of them in the US and even more in all other countries. They give hundreds of millions per year to Israel. There goal is to bring Jews back to Israel and of course the Apocalypse. They practically take poor Jews from 3rd world countries and fly them to Israel and tell them that they wouldn't be living in poverty anymore and that so and so settlement have free houses for them.

Is it to satisfy Israelis? In a way, yes but also to satisfy the huge Christian zionist lobby and the Bush admin probably have some religious convictions of it's own.

Quote:

Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is.

- Mahatma Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

reynold · 05-19-2004, 07:34 PM

"President Bush thought taking Iraq would be easy. Wolfowitz said it would take only seven days. Vice President Cheney believed we would be greeted as liberators."

Was it easy? How long has it been? They must've be kidding way back then!

Odin88 · 05-19-2004, 07:51 PM

ON 9/11 5 Israeli Mossad Agents where caught filming the WTC attacks and cheering. These same agents ALL lived on the same street as the key leader of the hijacking Mohammed Attah (sp?). Now you might ask yourself why they would not warn an 'ally' or why they would cheer the attacks even? Perhaps it is because they knew it would play right into Israeli's hands - which it has.

Oh, and for your information Michael Chertoff leader of the Joint Terrorism Task Force now, released all 5 of these Mossad agents with a full pardon (without proper investigation). Michael Chertoff is also a dear friend of the ADL (actually I believe he ran one state office for them at some time) and an obvious Zionist.

So ask yourself why all this goes under the radar? You can do the search and you will find I am not lieing. A few repuatable papers have printed this story, but to my knowledge Fox news (for exampel) sure as hell didn't. Jews have a heap of power in America, and they know it. Many will say 'who cares?', but I ask you, if a bunch of devout Muslims was running your media and politics how would you feel? These people have loyalties to Israel first, not the USA.

69pornlinks · 05-19-2004, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by porntop10
searching for the "n" word, the "c" word, the "p" word or any other racist words doesn't result in an "Explanation".

http://www.google.com/explanation.html

I just don't get it, someone explain. And don't fuggin' call me anti-Semitic, I just don't like INEQUALITY!

...killuminati.

excatly, i tired every other term and no explaintion.....

caught my eye like WTF? that's POWER

edit- jew is not a 'derogatory' term, so i think ADL or another of those self-rightoues org. got in google ass

Odin88 · 05-19-2004, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 69pornlinks
excatly, i tired every other term and no explaintion..... caught my eye like WTF? that's POWER

edit- jew is not a 'derogatory' term, so i think ADL or another of those self-rightoues org. got in google ass

Actually most Jews do consider the use of the word Jew or Jews to be derogatory anyway. Just ask them on this forum.

dig420 · 05-19-2004, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by genomega
Everything you have written is wrong but don't let facts get in the way.

being a Republican, of course you've never heard of Pinochet, Reza Pahlavi etc and so on

basschick · 05-20-2004, 12:54 AM

were you born this guillible, or did it have to develop slowly? just 'cause some reactionaries claim this doesn't make it true. i heard that all jews in new york knew about 9/11 in advance, and thousands didn't go to work. that wasn't true, either.

but don't let reality interfere with your prejudice. just carry on.

Quote:

Originally posted by Odin88
ON 9/11 5 Israeli Mossad Agents where caught filming the WTC attacks and cheering. These same agents ALL lived on the same street as the key leader of the hijacking Mohammed Attah (sp?). Now you might ask yourself why they would not warn an 'ally' or why they would cheer the attacks even? Perhaps it is because they knew it would play right into Israeli's hands - which it has.

Oh, and for your information Michael Chertoff leader of the Joint Terrorism Task Force now, released all 5 of these Mossad agents with a full pardon (without proper investigation). Michael Chertoff is also a dear friend of the ADL (actually I believe he ran one state office for them at some time) and an obvious Zionist.

So ask yourself why all this goes under the radar? You can do the search and you will find I am not lieing. A few repuatable papers have printed this story, but to my knowledge Fox news (for exampel) sure as hell didn't. Jews have a heap of power in America, and they know it. Many will say 'who cares?', but I ask you, if a bunch of devout Muslims was running your media and politics how would you feel? These people have loyalties to Israel first, not the USA.

Big Monkie · 05-20-2004, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by genomega
Everything you have written is wrong but don't let facts get in the way.

So why dont you enlighten us about the facts?

69pornlinks · 05-20-2004, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
and thousands didn't go to work. that wasn't true, either.

but don't let reality interfere with your prejudice. just carry on.

this is true, they were Odigo employees

this is an isreali newspaper

Babel · 05-20-2004, 05:57 PM

He just repeated what top us official said:

Israel tells US to attack IRaq

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...114049234.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=467

Cheney: War will benefit Israel
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/135577.php

Bush Adviser: (ie. Neocon) :
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083

what did Holdings say that is NOT true? I dont see the ADL scream ANti-Semite to these ...

Greg B · 05-20-2004, 06:46 PM

I can see this all coming to a brutal head.

The arabs and muslims hate us because of our allegiance to Britain and our alliance with the Israelis.

This is a situation where European interests and U.S. interests collided to expand by using force to establish the state of Israel.

It's tragic things have come to this. The U.S. says the Israelis have a right to a homeland they got from force because it's their ancestral home. Yet if I recall history, when Europe tried to exterminate the Jews and sent them afloat the U.S. didn't want them. Even though history shows that the Nazis got funding and support from big U.S. corporations and banks.

Yet if the U.S. was so fired up to see ancestral lands returned to those whom they belong to, why didn't they give the Indians back their land? I mean I think that 19 or more states are Indian names.

So this whole mistake isn't a thing of what 'Israel' wants. That's a lame excuse to throw off the trail of the real villains: Greedy industrialists.

It's been that way throughout history. Just the names have changed to protect the guilty.

Fletch XXX · 05-20-2004, 06:48 PM

i love the taste of the tears of the evil who rul this world .

it lets me know i am in fact on the right team.

killing kids, the devils will.

killing innocent, the devils will.

killing muslims, the devils will.

killing christians, the devils will.

there only leaves a few left.

we will eat all.

05-19-2004, 02:40 PM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	PISSED OFF JEWS! Sen. Hollings Says Iraq War Started To Satisfy Israelis? http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings...004506A17.html OPINION Bush's failed Mideast policy is creating more terrorism By U.S. Senator Ernest F. Hollings Originally published in the Charleston Post and Courier May 6, 2004 With 760 dead in Iraq and over 3,000 maimed for life, home folks continue to argue why we are in Iraq -- and how to get out. Now everyone knows what was not the cause. Even President Bush acknowledges that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Listing the 45 countries where al-Qaida was operating on September 11 (70 cells in the U.S.), the State Department did not list Iraq. Richard Clarke, in "Against All Enemies," tells how the United States had not received any threat of terrorism for 10 years from Saddam at the time of our invasion. On Page 231, John McLaughlin of the CIA verifies this to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. In 1993, President Clinton responded to Saddam's attempt on the life of President George H.W. Bush by putting a missile down on Saddam's intelligence headquarters in Baghdad. Not a big kill, but Saddam got the message -- monkey around with the United States and a missile lands on his head. Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if there were any or if they had been removed. With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel. Led by Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer, for years there has been a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel's security is to spread democracy in the area. Wolfowitz wrote: "The United States may not be able to lead countries through the door of democracy, but where that door is locked shut by a totalitarian deadbolt, American power may be the only way to open it up." And on another occasion: Iraq as "the first Arab democracy ... would cast a very large shadow, starting with Syria and Iran but across the whole Arab world." Three weeks before the invasion, President Bush stated: "A new regime in Iraq would serve as a dramatic and inspiring example for freedom for other nations in the region." Every president since 1947 has made a futile attempt to help Israel negotiate peace. But no leadership has surfaced amongst the Palestinians that can make a binding agreement. President Bush realized his chances at negotiation were no better. He came to office imbued with one thought -- re-election. Bush felt tax cuts would hold his crowd together and spreading democracy in the Mideast to secure Israel would take the Jewish vote from the Democrats. You don't come to town and announce your Israel policy is to invade Iraq. But George W. Bush, as stated by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and others, started laying the groundwork to invade Iraq days after inauguration. And, without any Iraq connection to 9/11, within weeks he had the Pentagon outlining a plan to invade Iraq. He was determined. President Bush thought taking Iraq would be easy. Wolfowitz said it would take only seven days. Vice President Cheney believed we would be greeted as liberators. But Cheney's man, Chalabi, made a mess of the de-Baathification of Iraq by dismissing Republican Guard leadership and Sunni leaders who soon joined with the insurgents. Worst of all, we tried to secure Iraq with too few troops. In 1966 in South Vietnam, with a population of 16,543,000, Gen. William C. Westmoreland, with 535,000 U.S. troops was still asking for more. In Iraq with a population of 24,683,000, Gen. John Abizaid with only 135,000 troops can barely secure the troops much less the country. If the troops are there to fight, they are too few. If there to die, they are too many. To secure Iraq we need more troops -- at least 100,000 more. The only way to get the United Nations back in Iraq is to make the country secure. Once back, the French, Germans and others will join with the U.N. to take over. With President Bush's domino policy in the Mideast gone awry, he keeps shouting, "Terrorism War." Terrorism is a method, not a war. We don't call the Crimean War with the Charge of the Light Brigade the Cavalry War. Or World War II the Blitzkrieg War. There is terrorism in Northern Ireland against the Brits. There is terrorism in India and in Pakistan. In the Mideast, terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily. Here, might does not make right -- right makes might. Acting militarily, we have created more terrorism than we have eliminated.

05-19-2004, 05:28 PM	#2
Big Monkie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Asphalt Jungle Posts: 382	Well, he can kiss his political career goodbye. Not too many american politicians have the guts to say anything bad about israel and the ones that do usually dont last very long. When ariel says jump most of em ask how high. This is all pretty much correct except it was only part of the reason. Last edited by Big Monkie; 05-19-2004 at 05:31 PM..

05-19-2004, 05:42 PM	#3
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05-19-2004, 05:55 PM	#4
genomega Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NW Florida Posts: 1,190	Hollings did not write this, he can't string together two words anymore. Terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily. The only flaw here is who in the hell do you negotiate with? What could you give them, make everyone buy a prayer rug? __________________ No Jerk TGP Gallery Monitor MoneyBookers

05-20-2004, 05:57 PM	#19
Babel Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,457	He just repeated what top us official said: Israel tells US to attack IRaq http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...114049234.html http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=467 Cheney: War will benefit Israel http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/135577.php Bush Adviser: (ie. Neocon) : http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083 what did Holdings say that is NOT true? I dont see the ADL scream ANti-Semite to these ... __________________

05-19-2004, 06:05 PM	#5
Big Monkie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Asphalt Jungle Posts: 382	I dont think its a matter of negotiation because terrorists are mostly a bunch of individuals. Its not the same as dealing with states. The real solution is to stop our totally one sided blind support of israel and, even more important, stop fucking around with other peoples countries with the cia and other means. But dont hold your breath for that one. Geez, if you look at all the "evil" dictators over the last 50 years probably half of em have been either installed outright through cia backed coups or at least supported for some reason or other. The shah of iran, saddam, etc.

05-19-2004, 07:34 PM	#11
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	"President Bush thought taking Iraq would be easy. Wolfowitz said it would take only seven days. Vice President Cheney believed we would be greeted as liberators." Was it easy? How long has it been? They must've be kidding way back then!

05-19-2004, 07:51 PM	#12
Odin88 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: au Posts: 3,267	ON 9/11 5 Israeli Mossad Agents where caught filming the WTC attacks and cheering. These same agents ALL lived on the same street as the key leader of the hijacking Mohammed Attah (sp?). Now you might ask yourself why they would not warn an 'ally' or why they would cheer the attacks even? Perhaps it is because they knew it would play right into Israeli's hands - which it has. Oh, and for your information Michael Chertoff leader of the Joint Terrorism Task Force now, released all 5 of these Mossad agents with a full pardon (without proper investigation). Michael Chertoff is also a dear friend of the ADL (actually I believe he ran one state office for them at some time) and an obvious Zionist. So ask yourself why all this goes under the radar? You can do the search and you will find I am not lieing. A few repuatable papers have printed this story, but to my knowledge Fox news (for exampel) sure as hell didn't. Jews have a heap of power in America, and they know it. Many will say 'who cares?', but I ask you, if a bunch of devout Muslims was running your media and politics how would you feel? These people have loyalties to Israel first, not the USA.

05-20-2004, 06:46 PM	#20
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	I can see this all coming to a brutal head. The arabs and muslims hate us because of our allegiance to Britain and our alliance with the Israelis. This is a situation where European interests and U.S. interests collided to expand by using force to establish the state of Israel. It's tragic things have come to this. The U.S. says the Israelis have a right to a homeland they got from force because it's their ancestral home. Yet if I recall history, when Europe tried to exterminate the Jews and sent them afloat the U.S. didn't want them. Even though history shows that the Nazis got funding and support from big U.S. corporations and banks. Yet if the U.S. was so fired up to see ancestral lands returned to those whom they belong to, why didn't they give the Indians back their land? I mean I think that 19 or more states are Indian names. So this whole mistake isn't a thing of what 'Israel' wants. That's a lame excuse to throw off the trail of the real villains: Greedy industrialists. It's been that way throughout history. Just the names have changed to protect the guilty.

05-20-2004, 06:48 PM	#21
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	i love the taste of the tears of the evil who rul this world . it lets me know i am in fact on the right team. killing kids, the devils will. killing innocent, the devils will. killing muslims, the devils will. killing christians, the devils will. there only leaves a few left. we will eat all. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me