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Do sponers really care if you spam?

05-19-2004, 09:14 AM

Just curious about this i just in 30 minutes have been spammed with
freeticketcash.com 4 times
streamray 2 times
ifriends 7 times
adultfriendfinder 2 times
clickcash 3 times
wegcash 3 times
topcams 1 time
mtree 2

Do they care as along as they make mone? . I am geting tired looking at my stats everyday,buying traffic and networking to just see these people just blaintly spam with no care in the world. Its just not fair to all of us who put hard work in with many hours of no sleep. Just curious what your thoughts are on this.

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05-19-2004, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by TAMPA_TOKER
. I am geting tired looking at my stats everyday,buying traffic and networking to just see these people just blaintly spam with no care in the world. Its just not fair to all of us who put hard work in with many hours of no sleep..

i agree on this

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05-19-2004, 09:19 AM

i was in the wegcash forums a minute ago and they were saying they are deleting accounts all day long for spamming...

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05-19-2004, 09:19 AM

alot dont until some shit comes down on them then its like "OH, we will take care of that"
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05-19-2004, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by StickyGreen
i was in the wegcash forums a minute ago and they were saying they are deleting accounts all day long for spamming...

I found out what they are doing and i cant belive how many of them there are. I got about 100 afillate urls so far listed on my shit list.
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05-19-2004, 09:24 AM

No sponsors should be allowing it... if they do, then don't report the affiliate to their sponsor. Report them to their webhost, notify the processor the company is using, their ISP, and everyone else! Believe me, someone will care.
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05-19-2004, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by stev0
No sponsors should be allowing it... if they do, then don't report the affiliate to their sponsor. Report them to their webhost, notify the processor the company is using, their ISP, and everyone else! Believe me, someone will care.

It would be difficult to do just because there are so many. But i am puting something together now that will make it easy to do that.
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05-19-2004, 09:34 AM

maybe if aol sues more people they will start to care.
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05-19-2004, 09:35 AM

i havent met a single affiliate program who doesnt accept it.

time to adapt, cochise.

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05-19-2004, 09:37 AM

Sponsors could give a flying shit if their affiliates are spamming. As
long as they continue to bring in the cash - they can do whatever
they want. And since lots of hosting companies are now in bed
with the sponsors, it makes it even more difficult to complain to
the hosting company and get anything done about it.

I guess if sponsors and hosting companies can't make money
the legit way, they can stoop to sleeping with spammers huh?

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05-19-2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by kmanrox
i havent met a single affiliate program who doesnt accept it.

Funny! But when you look at their websites, their TOS states
otherwise. How can you trust a company who says one thing
but does another?

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05-19-2004, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by DeanCapture
Funny! But when you look at their websites, their TOS states
otherwise. How can you trust a company who says one thing
but does another?

Good point There dean. Also all this money spammers are takeing away from the sponers who are legit could be uping thr payouts to the true webmasters.
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05-19-2004, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by TAMPA_TOKER
Just curious about this i just in 30 minutes have been spammed with
freeticketcash.com 4 times
streamray 2 times
ifriends 7 times
adultfriendfinder 2 times
clickcash 3 times
wegcash 3 times
topcams 1 time
mtree 2

Do they care as along as they make mone? . I am geting tired looking at my stats everyday,buying traffic and networking to just see these people just blaintly spam with no care in the world. Its just not fair to all of us who put hard work in with many hours of no sleep. Just curious what your thoughts are on this.

Most sponsors dont really care as long as you are making them good money in comparision to the complaints. 10 complaints a day and no real sales you'd get axed.. that kind of thing.

This business is all about the money.. always has been.
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05-19-2004, 09:47 AM

I'm sure there are a FEW exception, but I really believe that most don't care as long as it amkes them money, sure they cancel accounts for spamming, I'd guess it's the spammers that get complaints that get cancelled.
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05-19-2004, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by DeanCapture
Funny! But when you look at their websites, their TOS states
otherwise. How can you trust a company who says one thing
but does another?

if it wasnt in their TOS they'd get shut down quicklike =)

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05-19-2004, 09:49 AM

If you report those spams to the sponsors they will take action but without any report i guess they have more smart things to do
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05-19-2004, 09:50 AM

Well im gonna test some sponsers out now and see who steps us to the plate
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05-19-2004, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by TAMPA_TOKER
Good point There dean. Also all this money spammers are takeing away from the sponers who are legit could be uping thr payouts to the true webmasters.

Of course. If your a spammer bringing in some big bucks -
the sponsor will protect you. Not only that, they'll send you nice
toys to play with, treat you like a king at the shows, answer
your phone calls, chat with you on ICQ etc..etc. But if you are a
struggling webmaster trying to obey their TOS and do things in
a professional and "legal" way, but not having the success
that a spammer would have - they don't have the time of day
for you.

Now, wouldn't it be nice to find a sponsor program that actually
cares about the hardworking affiliate who is trying hard to do
the right thing by working hard and obeying all the rules? A
sponsor who actually celebrates and promotes good business
ethics and practices? Yes - they all say that they are like this,
but in reality most are not.

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05-19-2004, 09:53 AM

some do, some strictly don't - its a case of how greedy the owners are to get those signups
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05-19-2004, 09:56 AM

TT, if you could send us info on the WEGCash spammers, we'd be MORE than happy to sic Amanda, the Pit Bull on them

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05-19-2004, 09:57 AM

Tampa what kind of an email do you have thats getting like 20 emails every 30 minutes? A hotmail/yahoo account? Most other have good spam filters.

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05-19-2004, 10:02 AM

Apparently the following sponsors love spammers:

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05-19-2004, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Caspah
Tampa what kind of an email do you have thats getting like 20 emails every 30 minutes? A hotmail/yahoo account? Most other have good spam filters.

These are being instant messeged to me. Im not even in a frigin chat room and they are finding me
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05-19-2004, 10:10 AM

Most are tightening up on it because they are now be held responsible for it

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05-19-2004, 10:12 AM

Dean, how many companies that spam do you sell your content to? You're profiting from spam if you get money from spam sponsors, right?

Here goes an un-PC comment, but mail traffic is actually the most valuable. Less bandwidth used, higher conversion ratios, generaly rebill longer = more profitable.

If you were a sponsor, would you rather have someone send you 100 joins a day and burn minimal bandwidth or send you 10 per day with hosted galleries that are much more bandwidth heavy and whos conversions are worse?

Generally mail-friendly sponsors end the tolerance when the heat level is too high. That's why most of the top spammers are held in esteem by programs as they can deliver numbers with minimal complaints, they don't hit chatboard complaining about payouts or ratios or shaving or other bullshit.

Now, if some dude has no fucking clue what he's doing, just bought his cd-rom of 200000000 aol email addresses and some generic mailing software, the complaints will go through the roof and it won't be profitable so the sponsor is going to shitcan them.

I've been asked if EGC is mailer friendly. We're very picky about any mail traffic. For us to accept mail traffic, it has to be someone we know has a clean double opt-in list, honors remove requests, etc. We're not as lenient with heat complaints as most sponsors are.

The biggest problem with spam is the sheer number of amateurs doing it and flooding the market and pissing people off, not knowing what the fuck they are doing. This hurts everyone. These are generally the people spamming kids, not checking for duplicates on same day/week/monthly runs, not honoroing remove requests, etc.

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05-19-2004, 10:16 AM

Do they care as along as they make mone?

The main goal is to make money.
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05-19-2004, 10:49 AM

Tampa, why dont you just allow those on your buddy list to IM you. Thats the way to go.

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05-19-2004, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Caspah
Tampa, why dont you just allow those on your buddy list to IM you. Thats the way to go.

Yes i agree that would make it easy for me. But on the other hand why do i have to do that when they are the ones in the wrong?
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05-19-2004, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
Dean, how many companies that spam do you sell your content to? You're profiting from spam if you get money from spam sponsors, right?

And your point is.......?

I have absolutely no control over what a client does with images
that I sell them. Weather I profitted from selling them the images
has nothing to do with this discussion anyways. So your saying
that because I make money from a sponsor program who might
be sleeping with spammers, that I have no right to voice my
opinion in this discussion?

A spammer is a spammer is a spammer and they all fucking suck
no matter where they get their content from

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05-19-2004, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by DeanCapture
And your point is.......?

I have absolutely no control over what a client does with images
that I sell them. Weather I profitted from selling them the images
has nothing to do with this discussion anyways. So your saying
that because I make money from a sponsor program who might
be sleeping with spammers, that I have no right to voice my
opinion in this discussion?

A spammer is a spammer is a spammer and they all fucking suck
no matter where they get their content from

would you sell content to a known spammer?

maybe if they didn't spam and make money, they wouldn't have money to buy your content...

Everyone has a right to voice their opinion, but to say that only sponsors and hosts profit from spam is incorrect...

indirectly, we all profit from it

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05-19-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

indirectly, we all profit from it (spam)

Oh - so that makes it ok then?

Thumbsup to all the folks out there doing legit mailings. Following
the rules and trying to make an honest buck. To all the spammers
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05-19-2004, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by TAMPA_TOKER
Just curious about this i just in 30 minutes have been spammed with
freeticketcash.com 4 times
...
adultfriendfinder 2 times
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Adult Friend Finder (Friend Finder Inc.) does not
tolerate spam in any form. We were one of the first adult companies
to ban emails being used in promotion (with a rare exception to
companies who have shown best practices in their double opt-in
status). When we receive complaints through our online forms,
we take immediate action. If you receive a suspect email, please
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05-19-2004, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

Here goes an un-PC comment, but mail traffic is actually the most valuable. Less bandwidth used, higher conversion ratios, generaly rebill longer = more profitable.

If you were a sponsor, would you rather have someone send you 100 joins a day and burn minimal bandwidth or send you 10 per day with hosted galleries that are much more bandwidth heavy and whos conversions are worse?

Generally mail-friendly sponsors end the tolerance when the heat level is too high. That's why most of the top spammers are held in esteem by programs as they can deliver numbers with minimal complaints, they don't hit chatboard complaining about payouts or ratios or shaving or other bullshit.

Now, if some dude has no fucking clue what he's doing, just bought his cd-rom of 200000000 aol email addresses and some generic mailing software, the complaints will go through the roof and it won't be profitable so the sponsor is going to shitcan them.

I've been asked if EGC is mailer friendly. We're very picky about any mail traffic. For us to accept mail traffic, it has to be someone we know has a clean double opt-in list, honors remove requests, etc. We're not as lenient with heat complaints as most sponsors are.

The biggest problem with spam is the sheer number of amateurs doing it and flooding the market and pissing people off, not knowing what the fuck they are doing. This hurts everyone. These are generally the people spamming kids, not checking for duplicates on same day/week/monthly runs, not honoroing remove requests, etc.

Indeed. Good post.

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05-19-2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Deeprub
Most are tightening up on it because they are now be held responsible for it

If not they better, think it's like $15,000.00 a pop.

be a good way for uncle a s h c r o f t 2 get rid of some porn sites.

wait until they have 5,000 complan's or so.

I think today is the 19th and can spam goes into effect.

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05-19-2004, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy2 The biggest problem with spam is the sheer number of amateurs doing it and flooding the market and pissing people off, not knowing what the fuck they are doing. This hurts everyone. These are generally the people spamming kids, not checking for duplicates on same day/week/monthly runs, not honoroing remove requests, etc. [/B]

Out of curiosity, what magical harvester out there is able to identify a kid's email address versus, say, mine? I have work email accounts (non-adult) that sure as shit haven't signed up with any membership sites and, like clockwork, get hammered by programs who happily post in this forum.

This industry is practically begging for government regulation because it can't regulate itself. The only group capable of some form of regulation, the sponsor programs, can't see past the short term dollars.
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05-19-2004, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Esbee
The only group capable of some form of regulation, the sponsor programs, can't see past the short term dollars.

Couldnt' have said it better myself

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05-19-2004, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
Adult Friend Finder (Friend Finder Inc.) does not
tolerate spam in any form. We were one of the first adult companies
to ban emails being used in promotion (with a rare exception to
companies who have shown best practices in their double opt-in
status). When we receive complaints through our online forms,
we take immediate action. If you receive a suspect email, please
post it in our 'Report Abuse' link on the bottom of most pages
on Adult Friend Finder.

Just curious on the pay per click program. when you guys are ready to cut the checks weekly or what ever does the afillate reps ever look at the souce of traffic that come from the afillate?

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05-20-2004, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by kmanrox
i havent met a single affiliate program who doesnt accept it.

time to adapt, cochise.

That's really sad.

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05-20-2004, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by icu33774
Just curious on the pay per click program. when you guys are ready to cut the checks weekly or what ever does the afillate reps ever look at the souce of traffic that come from the afillate?

As part of our service to affiliates we analyze their traffic so we can help them make the most commissions with their type of traffic. No checks are sent before we have verified the legitimacy of a new affiliate and their traffic.

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05-20-2004, 10:23 AM

"We will take immediate action!"

I believe you will. Just tell spamer remove my email.
After that i received few emails with virus!
Also i have proof the biggest sponsor(don't want post name) allow spam.
I will be the one if all the sponsor like that!

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05-20-2004, 10:30 AM

this thread must be so funny for the big spammers out there..
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05-20-2004, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by TAMPA_TOKER
Just curious about this i just in 30 minutes have been spammed with
freeticketcash.com 4 times
streamray 2 times
ifriends 7 times
adultfriendfinder 2 times
clickcash 3 times
wegcash 3 times
topcams 1 time
mtree 2

Do they care as along as they make mone? . I am geting tired looking at my stats everyday,buying traffic and networking to just see these people just blaintly spam with no care in the world. Its just not fair to all of us who put hard work in with many hours of no sleep. Just curious what your thoughts are on this.

I want to post something so bad but i dont want to get my friends accout termed. I got to bite my tounge on this one
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05-20-2004, 11:05 AM

As a sponsor I can tell you we do care because those little spam cops try and take everyone down. I won't have one idiot spammer get our IP's and domains blocked. Just a bad risk vs. reward ratio.

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05-20-2004, 11:20 AM

Warden:
Maybe you are the only one do care spam

Here the email from sponsor:

"Thank you for notifying us. We do not mail or send pop-ups as it is
strictly against our terms and policies. We do not allow this type of
advertising and do everything in our power to keep our sites beyond the
reach of children.

However, this is not spam. This is an update email notifying you that the
tours have been updated and the only way to receive this email is by
inputting an email at the bottom of the tour."

I think maybe it is my fault.
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05-20-2004, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by check
Warden:
Maybe you are the only one do care spam

Here the email from sponsor:

"Thank you for notifying us. We do not mail or send pop-ups as it is
strictly against our terms and policies. We do not allow this type of
advertising and do everything in our power to keep our sites beyond the
reach of children.

However, this is not spam. This is an update email notifying you that the
tours have been updated and the only way to receive this email is by
inputting an email at the bottom of the tour."

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05-20-2004, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Esbee
Out of curiosity, what magical harvester out there is able to identify a kid's email address versus, say, mine? I have work email accounts (non-adult) that sure as shit haven't signed up with any membership sites and, like clockwork, get hammered by programs who happily post in this forum.

This industry is practically begging for government regulation because it can't regulate itself. The only group capable of some form of regulation, the sponsor programs, can't see past the short term dollars.

Who's harvesting?
harvested emails aren't effective
I'm sure there are spammers out there with harvesters, but most bulkmailers have opt-in lists and the remove lists are much more valuable than the mail lists.

Um, this industry is begging for regulation because it's the porn industry. They aren't going after the mortgage industries and I get TONS more spam from mortgage companies than I do porn spam. I'd bet less than 5% of my spam is porn spam. These are just the spams people remember.

Short term dollars? Um, you do realize most every early program was built on spam several year ago and most are still going strong. Hardly short term.

OK, let's say for giggles you are a sponsor program, would you take 100 signups per day from a mailer who might cause you a little heat but won't be begging to have thier hand held, won't cry about shaving after a bad run, won't bitch about payouts, won't beg for free content and hosting and will send members that retain longer or 5 per day from someone submitting to major TGPs?

This is why most programs who do allow mail traffic also watch the traffic. If some guy is just blind spamming, his heat with be high and he'll just bring trouble, but a known bulkmailer who has working remove links, emails that opted in somewhere, etc. is something most programs have or want.

Do all mailers follow the "rules"? Of course not.

Also, if you're not in this business for the money, wy be in it? To look at naked chicks all day? Everyone has their own moral line in the sand. Some people just have longer, deeper dug lines ;-)

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05-20-2004, 11:39 AM

LOL If you are asking that question ... hrmm ...

1st : Spam isn't really illegal if you follow the rules
2nd : Even if you don't, you will most likely get away with it
3rd : Even if you use the remove list, the list you bought was bought by 10 other guys that will spam the same person that got removed from yours .
4th :

Sponsor loves money . Spam = Money

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05-20-2004, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by check
Warden:
Maybe you are the only one do care spam

Here the email from sponsor:

"Thank you for notifying us. We do not mail or send pop-ups as it is
strictly against our terms and policies. We do not allow this type of
advertising and do everything in our power to keep our sites beyond the
reach of children.

However, this is not spam. This is an update email notifying you that the
tours have been updated and the only way to receive this email is by
inputting an email at the bottom of the tour."

I think maybe it is my fault.

hahahaha
I wonder how many other people who cry about spam are the same way? ;-)
my wife bitches about spam, yet she fills out all these different forms and enters contests, newsletter opt-ins, etc. not realizing that maybe 50% of those spams are indeed companies she's opted into and simply forgotten about.

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05-20-2004, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Spam = Money

Child Porn = Money
Beastiality = Money
Incest, Rape, Torture = Money

----> do you support them too, can money be always a justification for something ?

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05-20-2004, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Child Porn = Money
Beastiality = Money
Incest, Rape, Torture = Money

----> do you support them too, can money be always a justification for something ?

= illegal

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