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Smoove V.V.S · 05-19-2004, 05:17 AM

What are they copyrighting ? The Design, The Name,The Images, The Video, I happen to know that all of this is bogus. So this is to scare the the next person that doesn't know the law. Does some one out there have a real copyright???????????

Hank_Heartland · 05-19-2004, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoove V.V.S
What are they copyrighting ? The Design, The Name,The Images, The Video, I happen to know that all of this is bogus. So this is to scare the the next person that doesn't know the law. Does some one out there have a real copyright???????????

Yeah, we got one and a Trademark too

TheMob · 05-19-2004, 05:22 AM

read up on it.. AFAIK as soon as you write or design something it's your intellectual property and therefor a real copyright.. ?'s and ®'s are a different story.

Smoove V.V.S · 05-19-2004, 05:54 AM

Mob, Will that hold up In a court of law. Say an entity is fighting over it, what do they both win?? Direct me to the information on this please so I can check it out.

webseth · 05-19-2004, 06:28 AM

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

1) "If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted."
This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. There are some old works that lost protection without notice, but frankly you should not risk it unless you know for sure.

It is true that a notice strengthens the protection, by warning people, and by allowing one to get more and different damages, but it is not necessary. If it looks copyrighted, you should assume it is. This applies to pictures, too. You may not scan pictures from magazines and post them to the net, and if you come upon something unknown, you shouldn't post that either.

The correct form for a notice is:

"Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]"
You can use C in a circle ? instead of "Copyright" but "(C)" has never been given legal force. The phrase "All Rights Reserved" used to be required in some nations but is now not legally needed most places. In some countries it may help preserve some of the "moral rights."

....

No such thing as a "bogus" copyright unless its just plain not yours.

- Seth

Grinder · 05-19-2004, 06:47 AM

Smoove,

Although your site has a copyright the second you create it, you should still register your copyright within 90 days if you want to protect it.

By having a registered copyright you can collect statutory damages as opposed to actual damages for a non-registered copyright.

And statutory damages can really add up. Just ask Lee Nooga.

Smoove V.V.S · 05-19-2004, 06:55 AM

I KNEW I'D LEARN SOMETHING HERE AND SORRY I DID NOT JOIN ALONG TIME AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jayeff · 05-19-2004, 07:19 AM

If the plagiarism is straightforward and obvious, proving a copyright case isn't difficult. However, collecting damages can be a different matter if the guilty party is in another jurisdiction, as will often be the case when the 'Net is involved.

It all starts to get difficult if someone has merely been "inspired" by your work. We have all come across the clichéd plots of books and movies: the vast majority do not provide a basis for copyright suits and the same is true of site design and layout. Someone producing a similar but different version of a design may not be considered in breach of copyright. It depends on the extent to which a court considers the designs to be different and just how creative the original design was.

Which is where trademark registration, not only for logos, but for different words and phrases, comes in. If elements of your design are both unique (at the time you create them) and retaining their exclusivity is important, then you should register those elements individually. Just be aware that you then have to defend your trademark rigorously and consistently, otherwise your position in any suits will be weakened.

tony286 · 05-19-2004, 07:25 AM

What are you looking to copywrite exactly? Also with our court system its not a matter of who is wrong and who is right. Its a matter of who has the cash to go the distance.

CuriousToyBoy2 · 05-19-2004, 07:37 AM

Don't type my name.

I have a patent pending on the keystrokes.

Smoove V.V.S · 05-19-2004, 09:33 AM

Honestly I have a team of 8 attorney's and they say you can't copyright a website name or the content. You can copyright Design but that's about it. So make sure your content is covered.

Trax · 05-19-2004, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoove V.V.S
Honestly I have a team of 8 attorney's and they say you can't copyright a website name or the content. You can copyright Design but that's about it. So make sure your content is covered.

That smart post made you directly go to my ignore list

so what i write on my website is not copyrighted eh?
LOL
i would fire those 8 attorney's
tell them they are clueless fuck
if they want to sue me for slander they are welcome
they obviously dont know shit

Basic_man · 05-19-2004, 09:48 AM

I don't use copyrights!

JamesK · 05-19-2004, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoove V.V.S
Honestly I have a team of 8 attorney's and they say you can't copyright a website name or the content. You can copyright Design but that's about it. So make sure your content is covered.

Haha that's bullshit.

BV · 05-19-2004, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by webseth
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

1) "If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted."
This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. There are some old works that lost protection without notice, but frankly you should not risk it unless you know for sure.

It is true that a notice strengthens the protection, by warning people, and by allowing one to get more and different damages, but it is not necessary. If it looks copyrighted, you should assume it is. This applies to pictures, too. You may not scan pictures from magazines and post them to the net, and if you come upon something unknown, you shouldn't post that either.

The correct form for a notice is:

"Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]"
You can use C in a circle ? instead of "Copyright" but "(C)" has never been given legal force. The phrase "All Rights Reserved" used to be required in some nations but is now not legally needed most places. In some countries it may help preserve some of the "moral rights."

....

No such thing as a "bogus" copyright unless its just plain not yours.

- Seth

word

mackey · 05-19-2004, 10:13 AM

I just got into a huge arguement with a site that used my some of my car images to promote their products.

Not only did they take the picture off my site, but they also cropped out my watermark...

I've been reading up on this...

this is good stuff right here...

EviLGuY · 05-19-2004, 10:17 AM

I've always thought putting those little copyright marks on the bottom were just a waste of time.

Smoove V.V.S · 05-19-2004, 03:52 PM

Trax thats good keep your crap to yourself. I think the fake ? just kept most people honest. Also I'm into alot more ventures than just a website, which does great but I could use another 500-1000 members. I own a couple of group homes 11 3 family houses with a cousin and working on a taxi cab company. For me trademark is the only way to go. If have to knock on your door I'm coming in whether you want me to or not. For the non serious ( go play )

baddog · 05-21-2004, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

That smart post made you directly go to my ignore list

so what i write on my website is not copyrighted eh?
LOL
i would fire those 8 attorney's
tell them they are clueless fuck
if they want to sue me for slander they are welcome
they obviously dont know shit

It would be libel . . . . but yeah, I would get 8 new attornies

05-19-2004, 05:17 AM	#1
Smoove V.V.S Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern PA. Posts: 15	Copyrights On Websites What are they copyrighting ? The Design, The Name,The Images, The Video, I happen to know that all of this is bogus. So this is to scare the the next person that doesn't know the law. Does some one out there have a real copyright???????????

05-19-2004, 09:48 AM	#13
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	I don't use copyrights! __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

05-19-2004, 05:22 AM	#3
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	read up on it.. AFAIK as soon as you write or design something it's your intellectual property and therefor a real copyright.. ?'s and ®'s are a different story.

05-19-2004, 05:54 AM	#4
Smoove V.V.S Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern PA. Posts: 15	Mob, Will that hold up In a court of law. Say an entity is fighting over it, what do they both win?? Direct me to the information on this please so I can check it out.

05-19-2004, 06:28 AM	#5
webseth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 362	http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html 1) "If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted." This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. There are some old works that lost protection without notice, but frankly you should not risk it unless you know for sure. It is true that a notice strengthens the protection, by warning people, and by allowing one to get more and different damages, but it is not necessary. If it looks copyrighted, you should assume it is. This applies to pictures, too. You may not scan pictures from magazines and post them to the net, and if you come upon something unknown, you shouldn't post that either. The correct form for a notice is: "Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]" You can use C in a circle ? instead of "Copyright" but "(C)" has never been given legal force. The phrase "All Rights Reserved" used to be required in some nations but is now not legally needed most places. In some countries it may help preserve some of the "moral rights." .... No such thing as a "bogus" copyright unless its just plain not yours. - Seth

05-19-2004, 06:47 AM	#6
Grinder Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 261	Smoove, Although your site has a copyright the second you create it, you should still register your copyright within 90 days if you want to protect it. By having a registered copyright you can collect statutory damages as opposed to actual damages for a non-registered copyright. And statutory damages can really add up. Just ask Lee Nooga.

05-19-2004, 06:55 AM	#7
Smoove V.V.S Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern PA. Posts: 15	I KNEW I'D LEARN SOMETHING HERE AND SORRY I DID NOT JOIN ALONG TIME AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-19-2004, 07:19 AM	#8
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	If the plagiarism is straightforward and obvious, proving a copyright case isn't difficult. However, collecting damages can be a different matter if the guilty party is in another jurisdiction, as will often be the case when the 'Net is involved. It all starts to get difficult if someone has merely been "inspired" by your work. We have all come across the clichéd plots of books and movies: the vast majority do not provide a basis for copyright suits and the same is true of site design and layout. Someone producing a similar but different version of a design may not be considered in breach of copyright. It depends on the extent to which a court considers the designs to be different and just how creative the original design was. Which is where trademark registration, not only for logos, but for different words and phrases, comes in. If elements of your design are both unique (at the time you create them) and retaining their exclusivity is important, then you should register those elements individually. Just be aware that you then have to defend your trademark rigorously and consistently, otherwise your position in any suits will be weakened.

05-19-2004, 07:25 AM	#9
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	What are you looking to copywrite exactly? Also with our court system its not a matter of who is wrong and who is right. Its a matter of who has the cash to go the distance.

05-19-2004, 07:37 AM	#10
CuriousToyBoy2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Land Downunder Posts: 707	Don't type my name. I have a patent pending on the keystrokes.

05-19-2004, 09:33 AM	#11
Smoove V.V.S Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern PA. Posts: 15	Honestly I have a team of 8 attorney's and they say you can't copyright a website name or the content. You can copyright Design but that's about it. So make sure your content is covered.

05-19-2004, 10:13 AM	#16
mackey Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 622	I just got into a huge arguement with a site that used my some of my car images to promote their products. Not only did they take the picture off my site, but they also cropped out my watermark... I've been reading up on this... this is good stuff right here...

05-19-2004, 10:17 AM	#17
EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	I've always thought putting those little copyright marks on the bottom were just a waste of time.

05-19-2004, 03:52 PM	#18
Smoove V.V.S Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern PA. Posts: 15	Trax thats good keep your crap to yourself. I think the fake ? just kept most people honest. Also I'm into alot more ventures than just a website, which does great but I could use another 500-1000 members. I own a couple of group homes 11 3 family houses with a cousin and working on a taxi cab company. For me trademark is the only way to go. If have to knock on your door I'm coming in whether you want me to or not. For the non serious ( go play )