WTF?


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*edit* missed it...

Actually it's more scary than funny, she's not the only one

sorry man but you are wrong. Your foreign policy over the decades created many enemies by playing various and dirty games including, but not limited to my country Greece ('70s). Whenever you or anyone else feel free to open a discussion on this I'm here. Do some reading first on it and we can proceed. Just a reminder, Clinton on his last visit here as president bravely apologized to greek people (the first and only time someone did it) for the role of USA in the 70's military occupation. I could understand my father since he lived that period to hate USA, but he didn't. He paid for my american college tuitions.

What's the difference though? The difference is both cultural and religious. You can equate everyone when it comes to rights, but you can't do that on reactions. You can't control behaviors and reactions. Arab and muslim nations react different. You need only few thousands people to go crazy and have the whole world worry. Without realizing you created the social, policital and religious background for these terrorirsts. My guess is that from the day of WTC till now the number of al quida members has increased multiple times and will keep increasing. It expands like cancer. The enemy is invisible, hard to fight him and at the same time you have once more already named people to create the conditions for the iraq invasion in order to satisfy specific interests and you expect things to get better? Sorry, but they won't. You, me and the rest must learn from now on to live with that. (not to fear) "I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free."

i'm not sure if you are aware of how dangerous Greece has been for anyone who isn't Greek for the last decade. This isn't just a Bush thing. I live my life as an American abroad and you know what..I am in someone else's country so it is MY respobsiblity to respect that and not be an 'ugly american' when I am in their coutnry. Now, over the last two years any American that singles themselves out as being 'ultra-american' in public when they are abroad is just a dumbass. This is about personal safety and wether you like it or not we are taking part in an unpopular war..adjust your behviour accordingly or don't complain when you get killed.

that is a serious crock of shit

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and not only the states... I think a 2"little" more..

Samuel:ak47:

what a fucken joke.

Gave him hell about Kosovo though.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9911/19/clinton.greece/

"like, OMG, you're either with us or against us. Saying Bush lied into sending America to war and killing thousands appeases the terrorists."

--That is some one way trapping rhetoric you are spewing. The you're with us or against us tactic is exactly the same that the moral majority like to use. Real patriots make it their duty to see when the country is being run by a government that does not serve it's people and to speak out to correct it. Furthermore, just because you don't say Bush lied, doesn't make it unclear or any less plainly visible that bush did not handle this well.

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of course :-)

I wonder if the athletes will really do as they're told.

"America didn't have a friend in the Middle East unti Israel was established, but than again they didn't have an enemy either"

On the day of 9/11 five Israeli Mossad agents were caught on a building rooftop filming the WTC attacks and cheering. These same agents reportedly all lived in the same street as the leader of the 9/11 attacks Mohammed Attah (I think that is his name, spelling is likely off though). These Mossad agents were arrested but later given a full pardon without proper investigation by one 'Michael Chertoff' who happens to be a Jew. Israel is no friend, but it does create enemies. Americans are tools, and that is why the Mossad was cheering. You are fighting a war that primarirly serves Israel, and they love it.

thats a shame, its the olympics.. every athlete that wins waves the flag of their home country and so should the americans if they want.

ALL the other countries wave their flags.

If we let other's dictate our actions then the terrorist did win.

I thought this thread is gonna be all about the Olympics, But then again, I was wrong, damn wrong. The issue about the war rages on.....:(

well duh.

The terrorists have already won. They have accomplished to frighten everyone.

america is not the only country fighting against terror.. the whole world does..

and the americans dont have to wonder if they wont getting throwed with flowers when their airplane arrives...

Bush is shitting on the whole world.. the world demonstrated against the iraq war... bush didnt care... ( even americans demonstrated and he didnt care)

the pope said no to the war . bush ( mr catholic himself) didnt care..

so what do americans expect now with such a shitty politic?

love? flowers? and kisses?

the UN was against the war... but hey.. i'm mr bush ( who's begging for help 1 year after) i dont need the UN...

i need nobody... he destroyed the good reputation of the states.. world wide..

just rememebr John Titor said 2004 is the last olympics :Graucho

hmmz

Damn war, we should be consentrating on how we'll gonna put back our flag.

Bush isn't catholic. He's methodist.

Yeah love, flowers, and kisses would be cool. What do the atheletes have to do with the war anyway. I'm sure many were against the war and didn't vote for Bush. Not that that should matter. Those who boo atheletes because of their nations politics must be pretty simple minded.

That's such bullshit. Why the fuck shouldn't an athlete be allowed to wave their country's flag in celebration? What a load of bollocks.

I agree with you. "Extremely rich and resouceful" has nothing to do with it.

Another point. France, the UK, and USSR/Russia have been just as duplicitous in their Middle East dealings as the US and "they" don't hate those nations as much as the US. To many in that region of the world, the US is symbolic of the western world - "the Great Satan". Symbolism. Powerful.

If you look at the Middle East through the lens of the Cold War you see where certain attitudes were forged and why as the US and USSR jockeyed for power and influence in the region. Taking a little wider view you can look at the power struggle for influence in the region between the US, USSR, France, and the UK.

You also have the interesting situation that the leaders in the Middle East have
views and goals which are often in opposition to those of their people. The Saudi King may want the US military on Saudi soil but the people may not. The US was simultaneously condemned and applauded in the Middle East for its support of Afghanistan against the USSR. The same thing happened when the US defended Kuwait. Many nations of the Middle East sent troops to Gulf War I - even Syria. Many people in the Middle East saw the US as meddling.

I'm not saying the US can't or shouldn't be responsible for Middle East attitudes toward it but there is within Islam itself the seed of hatred for all things western. "Dar al Harb". The world of the sword. Kill the infidels.

If the only solution to not having the infidel hatred focused on you is to not be involved in the power struggles there, then the US might have very well surrendered the entire region to the USSR during the Cold War which might very well had a negative effect much greater than two planes flying into the WTC.

Like it or not, the struggle for influence in the Middle East is only going to become a greater struggle. You now have the situation where China's oil needs are increasing at a rapid rate. It is estimated that China's oil use this year increased by almost 20%. That's almost a billion barrels per day. It seems likely that China will play a greater role in Middle East politics in the coming decades. Oh, they're going to hate the Chinese too.

Or it may have something to do w/ U.S. relation to Israel. Or past dealings in Middle East situation such as the Iran contral; deals w/ the Aiatola; other past foreign flukes, etc. Add that to the fact that middle eastern countries are leaning more toward a theocracy, and you have yourself a bad combination: Religion and politics do not mix.

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.. which has everything to do with the Cold War and the post World War II struggle between France, the UK, the USSR, and the US. Consider the Suez Canal war. France and Britain supported Israel during the Suez Canal war. The US opposed the war in the UN but England and France vetoed.

Round and round it goes. Everyone forgets history and thinks everything is so new and unique.

yep, history repeats itself :)

I have old newspaper clippings with the Nazis complaining that the allies were ignoring the Geneva conventions.