They Knew & OK'd It - GoFuckYourself.com

KRL · 05-16-2004, 12:56 AM

Pentagon Denies Report's Rumsfeld Claims

NEW YORK - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the expansion of a secret program that encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners to obtain intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq, The New Yorker reported Saturday.

The Defense Department strongly denied the claims made in the report, which cited unnamed current and former intelligence officials and was published on the magazine's Web site. Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita issued a statement calling the claims "outlandish, conspiratorial, and filled with error and anonymous conjecture."

The story, written by reporter Seymour Hersh, said Rumsfeld decided to expand the program last year, broadening a Pentagon operation from the hunt for al-Qaida in Afghanistan to interrogation of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.

Seven soldiers are facing military charges related to the abuse and humiliation of prisoners captured by the now-infamous photographs at the prison. Some of the soldiers and their lawyers have said military intelligence officials told military police assigned as guards to abuse the prisoners to make interrogations easier.

According to the story, which hits newsstands Monday, the initial operation Rumsfeld authorized gave blanket approval to kill or capture and interrogate "high value" targets in the war on terrorism. The program stemmed from frustrating efforts to capture high-level terrorists in the weeks after the start of U.S. bombings in Afghanistan.

The program got approval from President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, and Bush was informed of its existence, the officials told Hersh.

Under the program, Hersh wrote, commandos carried out instant interrogations ? using force if necessary ? at secret CIA detention centers scattered around the world. The intelligence would be relayed to the commanders at the Pentagon.

Last year, Rumsfeld and Stephen Cambone, his undersecretary for intelligence, expanded the scope of the Pentagon's program and brought its methods to Abu Ghraib, Hersh wrote.

Critics say the interrogation rules, first laid out in September after a visit to Iraq by the then-commander of the prison for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amounted to a green light for abuse.

Defense Department officials deny that, saying prisoners always are treated under guidelines of the Geneva Conventions.

"No responsible official of the Department of Defense (news - web sites) approved any program that could conceivably have been intended to result in such abuses as witnessed in the recent photos and videos," Di Rita said in his statement. "This story seems to reflect the fevered insights of those with little, if any, connection to the activities in the Department of Defense."

Di Rita also said Cambone has never had any responsibility for any detainee or interrogation programs.

The intelligence sources told the magazine photos of the sexual abuse were used to intimidate prisoners and detainees into providing information on the insurgency. It was thought that some prisoners would do anything ? including spying on their associates ? to avoid dissemination of the shameful photos to family and friends.

One intelligence official said the CIA ended its involvement with the program at Abu Ghraib prison by last fall.

"They said, 'No way. We signed up for the core program in Afghanistan ? pre-approved for operations against the high-value terrorist targets ? and now you want to use it for cabdrivers, brothers-in-law, and people pulled off the streets,'" the source said.

Blinky · 05-16-2004, 12:59 AM

Not a surprise at all.

Of course they knoew, of course they ok'd it. They should have never tried to use the soldiers as scapeoats though.

Illicit · 05-16-2004, 01:00 AM

its a war, they needed info, and this method was effective so why not implement it in Iraq. Unfortunately shit hit the fan and they are fucked now

nathan_f · 05-16-2004, 01:01 AM

hmm, i'm wondering if more (or the rest) of the abuse pics/vids come out, if we will see more videos from the 'terrorists' in return..

Manowar · 05-16-2004, 01:01 AM

no suprise, i wouldnt put anything past the current administration

TheFrog · 05-16-2004, 01:01 AM

thats fucked up

James White · 05-16-2004, 01:12 AM

makes me sick

kmanrox · 05-16-2004, 01:14 AM

who gives a fuck? fucking doon-coons.

KRL · 05-16-2004, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
who gives a fuck? fucking doon-coons.

Man I hope you're not serious.

The President of the United States ok'd that and is lying to the American people and playing dumb like he didn't have a clue, the Secretary of Defense is bsing and playing dumb.

These are the very people that control the world's most powerful nuclear weapons and you don't have a problem with this scandal?

One of the reasons the world is so fucked up is because so many people say "so who gives a fuck".

Unreal, simply unreal.

kelly · 05-16-2004, 01:34 AM

I was just reading this story and the scary thing is that I'm not surprised

kmanrox · 05-16-2004, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Man I hope you're not serious.

The President of the United States ok'd that and is lying to the American people and playing dumb like he didn't have a clue, the Secretary of Defense is bsing and playing dumb.

These are the very people that control the world's most powerful nuclear weapons and you don't have a problem with this scandal?

One of the reasons the world is so fucked up is because so many people say "so who gives a fuck".

Unreal, simply unreal.

i could care less... terrorist sponsoring states are responsible for 9-11 and many other American deaths... they should feel the wrath... just because a few years have passed by and the shock that 9-11 brought isnt fresh in our heads doesnt mean we should back down... war is hell... bad things happen in war... it's a fact... unfortunately we're one of the 3 countries in the world who actually have to answer for these things...

i say do whatever you need to do to get the job done to these camel-rapers. sorry but that's just the way i feel..

a veteran's point of view.

theking · 05-16-2004, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Man I hope you're not serious.

The President of the United States ok'd that and is lying to the American people and playing dumb like he didn't have a clue, the Secretary of Defense is bsing and playing dumb.

These are the very people that control the world's most powerful nuclear weapons and you don't have a problem with this scandal?

One of the reasons the world is so fucked up is because so many people say "so who gives a fuck".

Unreal, simply unreal.

I have pointed out...several different times now...that the unusual thing about the current situation is...it is not SOP to have MP's involved in the interrogation procedures and/or prepping prisoners for the interrogation procedure. It is SOP for MP's to be care takers and escorters of prisoners...and there is a reason for this SOP...which is "good order". It is apparent to me that these MP's...not being well trained (Reservists are not well trained in general)...allowed themselves to be manipulated by CIA/Civilian Contracted Interrogators and became involved. Not being well trained in prepping procedures...either...these MP's may have gotten carried away with the prepping.

Non the less SOP for interrogation procedures and or prepping for interrogation procedures...even when carried out by trained interrogators...would be viewed by some bleeding hearts as "abuse" and would be viewed by some as "torture" and probably by most as a violation of the Geneva Convention.

Interrogation and prepping of prisoners for interrogation are a necessary thing...and the bleeding hearts can go fuck themselves. FYI...a "dirty little secret" is...in conflicts...no one stricly abides by the Geneva Convention. Is it CYA time...yes...nothing new here.

theking · 05-16-2004, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

These are the very people that control the world's most powerful nuclear weapons and you don't have a problem with this scandal?

What does one have to do with the other???

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
What does one have to do with the other???

Because it's our excuse for why we're there to begin with. Remember WMD's? We're saying their a "threat" because of that, but we're the ones invading innocent countries. Doesn't make sense.

theking · 05-16-2004, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo
Because it's our excuse for why we're there to begin with. Remember WMD's? We're saying their a "threat" because of that, but we're the ones invading innocent countries. Doesn't make sense.

Does not correlate. Surely you are not suggesting that Afghanistan and Iraq were innocent countries?

painintheass · 05-16-2004, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
i could care less... terrorist sponsoring states are responsible for 9-11 and many other American deaths... they should feel the wrath... just because a few years have passed by and the shock that 9-11 brought isnt fresh in our heads doesnt mean we should back down... war is hell... bad things happen in war... it's a fact... unfortunately we're one of the 3 countries in the world who actually have to answer for these things...

i say do whatever you need to do to get the job done to these camel-rapers. sorry but that's just the way i feel..

a veteran's point of view.

Well seeing as I`m a vetran too.

Are you aware who George Bush sr. was sharing a meal with on 9/11 or how about where the majority of the money for Georgie jr.`s presidential campaign came from.. Have you ever heard of the oil company "Rbusto?"

Scratch beneath the surface and examine your goverment`s ties to Bin Laudin. Someone might make the argument that the United States is a terrorist sponsoring nation.

And as a vet I would lke to personally thank the United States for making the world a much "un-safer" place to live and ensuring that those not directly affected by terrorism now have to look over their shoulders.

Pain in the ass

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Does not correlate. Surely you are not suggesting that Afghanistan and Iraq were innocent countries?

I'm saying the Bush / Ashhahahahaha administration is retarded, and it sounds like you're the captain of the ship. Sail away, my friend...

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by painintheass
Well seeing as I`m a vetran too.

Are you aware who George Bush sr. was sharing a meal with on 9/11 or how about where the majority of the money for Georgie jr.`s presidential campaign came from.. Have you ever heard of the oil company "Rbusto?"

Scratch beneath the surface and examine your goverment`s ties to Bin Laudin. Someone might make the argument that the United States is a terrorist sponsoring nation.

And as a vet I would lke to personally thank the United States for making the world a much "un-safer" place to live and ensuring that those not directly affected by terrorism now have to look over their shoulders.

Pain in the ass

Good to hear there's intelligent people that come from the military. I was starting to lose hope.

pussyluver · 05-16-2004, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Man I hope you're not serious.

The President of the United States ok'd that and is lying to the American people and playing dumb like he didn't have a clue, the Secretary of Defense is bsing and playing dumb.

These are the very people that control the world's most powerful nuclear weapons and you don't have a problem with this scandal?

One of the reasons the world is so fucked up is because so many people say "so who gives a fuck".

Unreal, simply unreal.

Yeah, it sucks. I have an open mind about this being 100% true. Esp in light of the Bush administration attacking our civil liberties. No right to an attorney, detained for so long, secret courts and the rest. Sure its war and its required to play hard ball to win and defend the country. Bush and is administration just got out of control.

The actions can affect the rest of law enforcement and prosecution here in the states. A government leads by example. Look at how states and local authorities are starting to crack down and turn to the far right. I believe the Missouri house just passed a bill making it a felony to be in the possession of porn. Are the police becoming more abusive with less respect for those they are charged to protect now? Call it in the name of homeland security is the typical response.

Yep, the sky is falling.

theking · 05-16-2004, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo
I'm saying the Bush / Ashhahahahaha administration is retarded, and it sounds like you're the captain of the ship. Sail away, my friend...

That of course does not answer the question...that was asked.

pussyluver · 05-16-2004, 03:56 AM

Jesus, its 6:00 in the morning here. WTF am I doing up.

BigG · 05-16-2004, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Does not correlate. Surely you are not suggesting that Afghanistan and Iraq were innocent countries?

Innocent? What does that mean??? Bush claimed that Iraq was a threat and so we must invade . . . how many countries are MORE of a threat? Somehow we have avoided invading all of the other countries that we KNOW (for sure) have wmd and are absolutely MUCH MORE of a threat than Iraq. I don't see Bush proclaiming that we must make the world "more safe" by invading all of these other countries, why not? Hmmm, I wonder?

Innocent countries . . . you can't be serious? What does that mean . . . innocent? Innocent of what? Guilty of what?

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
That of course does not answer the question...that was asked.

I see where this is going. I'll make an interesting point about the war crimes and outrageous international violations Bush has made, and you're going to come in and sing praise upon the Bush administration.

So why don't you just fucking say it... I don't think you need me to coax you.

flashfreak · 05-16-2004, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nathan_f
hmm, i'm wondering if more (or the rest) of the abuse pics/vids come out, if we will see more videos from the 'terrorists' in return..

you can bet on it..

theking · 05-16-2004, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo
I see where this is going. I'll make an interesting point about the war crimes and outrageous international violations Bush has made, and you're going to come in and sing praise upon the Bush administration.

So why don't you just fucking say it... I don't think you need me to coax you.

I am not a fan of President Bush...but I am in favor of the take down of the Taliban government (they were told that it could be prevented if they would hand over Bin Laden)...I am in favor of the take down of Saddam and the Bath party (my complaint is that it was not done within the first year of the cease fire that Iraq agreed to). I do approve of the President's declaration of war against global terrorism and I do approve of the President adopting the doctrine of pre-emption...and I hope that future Presidents continue the doctrine.

BigG · 05-16-2004, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo
I see where this is going. I'll make an interesting point about the war crimes and outrageous international violations Bush has made, and you're going to come in and sing praise upon the Bush administration.

So why don't you just fucking say it... I don't think you need me to coax you.

George W. Bush has done nothing but make the world "more safe."
I can remember way back when Iraq was about to invade the U.S. and Bush stopped it by invading Iraq!

No country should be allowed to invade another country without just cause (and international support) and that is why I support George W. Bush and his actions against a crazy country like Iraq! Only CRAZY countries invade other countries without provocation and without international support! Crazy countries MUST BE STOPPED!

George W. Bush is defending freedom by invading Iraq and nothing you can say will stop me from believing! Unless you point out that Iraq wasn't threatening our freedom . . . because I don't exactly understand how our actions in Iraq are preserving our freedoms. I know that we are at least providing freedom and democracy for the citizens of Iraq . . . even if we have to FRY a few innocent wackos in the process. Just because we abuse and kill prisoners of war doesn?t mean we are doing anything wrong. Why were they ?prisoners? if they weren?t guilty of something? Most of the Iraqi citizens are wackos anyway. We want to protect them and ?free? them, and we are willing to kill them to do it! Go Bush!!! Free the WORLD!

theking · 05-16-2004, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigG
I don't see Bush proclaiming that we must make the world "more safe" by invading all of these other countries, why not?

All in good order.

BigG · 05-16-2004, 04:49 AM

QUOTE]Originally posted by theking
All in good order. [/QUOTE]

YES!!! It has been way too long since we had a world leader willing to invade other countries in order to spread "goodness" throughout the world! Invade, conquer and free the world! Do this because they have no idea what is "good" for them!

I also think it is necessary for Jews to identify themselves by wearing armbands. Nothing more, for now. We might need to "relocate" them in the future though, but Bush will announce that later.

The Machine · 05-16-2004, 05:11 AM

KRL, I don't know you but I like the way you think, man.

cayne · 05-16-2004, 05:28 AM

that's really fucked up!
but I can't hear that story anymore...

Babel · 05-16-2004, 05:34 AM

why do you think the USA tries sp hard to get exempted form War Crimes Tribunals for these crimes if it's not so you can do it ?

eroswebmaster · 05-16-2004, 05:35 AM

Just watch the house of cards continue to tumble KRL

painintheass · 05-16-2004, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigG
George W. Bush has done nothing but make the world "more safe."
I can remember way back when Iraq was about to invade the U.S. and Bush stopped it by invading Iraq!

No country should be allowed to invade another country without just cause (and international support) and that is why I support George W. Bush and his actions against a crazy country like Iraq! Only CRAZY countries invade other countries without provocation and without international support! Crazy countries MUST BE STOPPED!

George W. Bush is defending freedom by invading Iraq and nothing you can say will stop me from believing! Unless you point out that Iraq wasn't threatening our freedom . . . because I don't exactly understand how our actions in Iraq are preserving our freedoms. I know that we are at least providing freedom and democracy for the citizens of Iraq . . . even if we have to FRY a few innocent wackos in the process. Just because we abuse and kill prisoners of war doesn?t mean we are doing anything wrong. Why were they ?prisoners? if they weren?t guilty of something? Most of the Iraqi citizens are wackos anyway. We want to protect them and ?free? them, and we are willing to kill them to do it! Go Bush!!! Free the WORLD!

My God you`ve had sex with PFC Lyndee!

Goose · 05-16-2004, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
no suprise, i wouldnt put anything past the current administration

exactly and that is why a change is so fucking needed. It's in our hands!

candyflip · 05-16-2004, 06:02 AM

Here's the CNN link if anyone is interested:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

genomega · 05-16-2004, 06:04 AM

Seymour Hersh has shown like zero proof but the main stream press will leave that little fact out and report it as the truth.

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
I am not a fan of President Bush...but I am in favor of the take down of the Taliban government (they were told that it could be prevented if they would hand over Bin Laden)...I am in favor of the take down of Saddam and the Bath party (my complaint is that it was not done within the first year of the cease fire that Iraq agreed to). I do approve of the President's declaration of war against global terrorism and I do approve of the President adopting the doctrine of pre-emption...and I hope that future Presidents continue the doctrine.

Alright the Bush propeganda has gotten to you too, it seems. It's sad when a poor pathetic uneducated fool like Bush can so easily manipulate the minds of the Sheep we call citizens of America.

KRL · 05-16-2004, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by candyflip
Here's the CNN link if anyone is interested:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

I AM CNN.

Paul Markham · 05-16-2004, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking

Non the less SOP for interrogation procedures and or prepping for interrogation procedures...even when carried out by trained interrogators...would be viewed by some bleeding hearts as "abuse" and would be viewed by some as "torture" and probably by most as a violation of the Geneva Convention.

Interrogation and prepping of prisoners for interrogation are a necessary thing...and the bleeding hearts can go fuck themselves. FYI...a "dirty little secret" is...in conflicts...no one stricly abides by the Geneva Convention. Is it CYA time...yes...nothing new here.

You really are a piece of useless crap.

With idiots like you in the army we need people to protect us from the soldiers. Give a moron a gun and you are in trouble.

Paul Markham · 05-16-2004, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by painintheass
Well seeing as I`m a vetran too.

Are you aware who George Bush sr. was sharing a meal with on 9/11 or how about where the majority of the money for Georgie jr.`s presidential campaign came from.. Have you ever heard of the oil company "Rbusto?"

Scratch beneath the surface and examine your goverment`s ties to Bin Laudin. Someone might make the argument that the United States is a terrorist sponsoring nation.

And as a vet I would lke to personally thank the United States for making the world a much "un-safer" place to live and ensuring that those not directly affected by terrorism now have to look over their shoulders.

Pain in the ass

shows that not all soldiers are as stupid and heartless as theking.

KRL · 05-16-2004, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Machine
KRL, I don't know you but I like the way you think, man.

Thanks!

You guys have to remember I was around in the early 70's during the Nixon Watergate scandal years.

They all denied it. Nixon saying no one in my administration would break into the Democratic National Headquarters.

Uh ha, sure you didn't. Nixon was forced to resign the presidency eventually in one of the worst coverups ever in this country.

These politicians are like magicians. They try every trick in the book to make you believe what they are saying is the honest truth.

I know one thing and I knew this the minute I saw GWB was going to successfully steal the election through the manipulation of the Florida voting process.

The prices of Oil would skyrocket under a Bush admin.

Today it's over $40 a barrel. And all GWB's texas oil men that financed his election are singing all the way to the bank right now.

You tell me what politics is all about if its not all about that at the end of the day.

KRL · 05-16-2004, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
You really are a piece of useless crap.

With idiots like you in the army we need people to protect us from the soldiers. Give a moron a gun and you are in trouble.

Say what you will about theKing, I usually don't agree with his politics either Charly, but at least he always makes a thought out post and you are always assured an interesting viewpoint on things.

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigG
George W. Bush has done nothing but make the world "more safe."
I can remember way back when Iraq was about to invade the U.S. and Bush stopped it by invading Iraq!

No country should be allowed to invade another country without just cause (and international support) and that is why I support George W. Bush and his actions against a crazy country like Iraq! Only CRAZY countries invade other countries without provocation and without international support! Crazy countries MUST BE STOPPED!

George W. Bush is defending freedom by invading Iraq and nothing you can say will stop me from believing! Unless you point out that Iraq wasn't threatening our freedom . . . because I don't exactly understand how our actions in Iraq are preserving our freedoms. I know that we are at least providing freedom and democracy for the citizens of Iraq . . . even if we have to FRY a few innocent wackos in the process. Just because we abuse and kill prisoners of war doesn?t mean we are doing anything wrong. Why were they ?prisoners? if they weren?t guilty of something? Most of the Iraqi citizens are wackos anyway. We want to protect them and ?free? them, and we are willing to kill them to do it! Go Bush!!! Free the WORLD!

Exactly.

KRL · 05-16-2004, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigG
George W. Bush has done nothing but make the world "more safe."
I can remember way back when Iraq was about to invade the U.S. and Bush stopped it by invading Iraq!

No country should be allowed to invade another country without just cause (and international support) and that is why I support George W. Bush and his actions against a crazy country like Iraq! Only CRAZY countries invade other countries without provocation and without international support! Crazy countries MUST BE STOPPED!

George W. Bush is defending freedom by invading Iraq and nothing you can say will stop me from believing! Unless you point out that Iraq wasn't threatening our freedom . . . because I don't exactly understand how our actions in Iraq are preserving our freedoms. I know that we are at least providing freedom and democracy for the citizens of Iraq . . . even if we have to FRY a few innocent wackos in the process. Just because we abuse and kill prisoners of war doesn?t mean we are doing anything wrong. Why were they ?prisoners? if they weren?t guilty of something? Most of the Iraqi citizens are wackos anyway. We want to protect them and ?free? them, and we are willing to kill them to do it! Go Bush!!! Free the WORLD!

OMG dude you've been drinking too much Texas "Tea".

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Say what you will about theKing, I usually don't agree with his politics either Charly, but at least he always makes a thought out post and you are always assured an interesting viewpoint on things.

Well it's interesting to note that people outside the US have usually a more more level-headed opinion and are unbiased towards one country or another. I think Charly is right on, and I think most of America needs to get their head out of their ass and realize this country's leadership isn't as wonderful as they proclaim with their "God Bless America" and flag waving / Bush endorsement routine.

KRL · 05-16-2004, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo
Well it's interesting to note that people outside the US have usually a more more level-headed opinion and are unbiased towards one country or another. I think Charly is right on, and I think most of America needs to get their head out of their ass and realize this country isn't as wonderful as they proclaim with their "God Bless America" and flag waving routine.

America has and will always have its head up its ass.

I think its just our nature to do that for some odd reason.

Apathy is rampant these days. The majority of people sit back and are just happy to see another episode of Friends.

Paul Markham · 05-16-2004, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
All in good order.

You are a complete and utter moron if you think Bush has made the world safer. Stupid does not nearly describe you.

The story for invading Iraq was to take out an evil goverment that had the capabilities to attack the US and make the world a safer place. A say story because that's what is was, FICTION.

If you still believe that Iraq had WMDs and the capabilities to use them you are a moron. Look at the facts. They found little or nothing to resist them, the coalition was out numbered and supposed to be facing WMDs, so the forward units got so far into Iraq they could not be supplied or backed up. That's the truth.

Now about making the world a safer place, every day coming out of Iraq is another eason for Muslims to donate more money or join the terrorists. Look back 10 to 20 years ago and the situation in Ireland and the way the IRA used every bad news event to collect more money and recruits.

EviLGuY · 05-16-2004, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Man I hope you're not serious.

The President of the United States ok'd that and is lying to the American people and playing dumb like he didn't have a clue, the Secretary of Defense is bsing and playing dumb.

These are the very people that control the world's most powerful nuclear weapons and you don't have a problem with this scandal?

One of the reasons the world is so fucked up is because so many people say "so who gives a fuck".

Unreal, simply unreal.

Very true.. what do they have to do before you give a fuck? Maybe they could just seize control of the US and become dictators for life.. would you care then?

its a slippery slope when you leaders lie and lie and lie to you.

Paul Markham · 05-16-2004, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
America has and will always have its head up its ass.

I think its just our nature to do that for some odd reason.

Apathy is rampant these days. The majority of people sit back and are just happy to see another episode of Friends.

I think one of the major problems in the US is the standard of normal education. Yes if you are richa nd live in the right area you can get a pretty good State education. But that is the minority. The majority get a poor education that is sometime very inward looking. How many school children could find Iraq on a map even tody. As for 3 years ago I doubt if many knew it exists.

xenigo · 05-16-2004, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I know one thing and I knew this the minute I saw GWB was going to successfully steal the election through the manipulation of the Florida voting process.

The prices of Oil would skyrocket under a Bush admin.

Today it's over $40 a barrel. And all GWB's texas oil men that financed his election are singing all the way to the bank right now.

You tell me what politics is all about if its not all about that at the end of the day.

This sums it up nicely. It's pretty clear what his agenda is, and it amazes me to no end that America is so naieve to his scheme. I suppose it's no mystery considering he's catering to two large population's agendas, the rich and religious right. I suppose anyone who labels themselves Christian and supports unfettered wealth would be a shoe-in for their votes.

Sad though, that America can't see beyond that.

05-16-2004, 12:56 AM	#1
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	They Knew & OK'd It Pentagon Denies Report's Rumsfeld Claims NEW YORK - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the expansion of a secret program that encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners to obtain intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq, The New Yorker reported Saturday. The Defense Department strongly denied the claims made in the report, which cited unnamed current and former intelligence officials and was published on the magazine's Web site. Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita issued a statement calling the claims "outlandish, conspiratorial, and filled with error and anonymous conjecture." The story, written by reporter Seymour Hersh, said Rumsfeld decided to expand the program last year, broadening a Pentagon operation from the hunt for al-Qaida in Afghanistan to interrogation of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. Seven soldiers are facing military charges related to the abuse and humiliation of prisoners captured by the now-infamous photographs at the prison. Some of the soldiers and their lawyers have said military intelligence officials told military police assigned as guards to abuse the prisoners to make interrogations easier. According to the story, which hits newsstands Monday, the initial operation Rumsfeld authorized gave blanket approval to kill or capture and interrogate "high value" targets in the war on terrorism. The program stemmed from frustrating efforts to capture high-level terrorists in the weeks after the start of U.S. bombings in Afghanistan. The program got approval from President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, and Bush was informed of its existence, the officials told Hersh. Under the program, Hersh wrote, commandos carried out instant interrogations ? using force if necessary ? at secret CIA detention centers scattered around the world. The intelligence would be relayed to the commanders at the Pentagon. Last year, Rumsfeld and Stephen Cambone, his undersecretary for intelligence, expanded the scope of the Pentagon's program and brought its methods to Abu Ghraib, Hersh wrote. Critics say the interrogation rules, first laid out in September after a visit to Iraq by the then-commander of the prison for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amounted to a green light for abuse. Defense Department officials deny that, saying prisoners always are treated under guidelines of the Geneva Conventions. "No responsible official of the Department of Defense (news - web sites) approved any program that could conceivably have been intended to result in such abuses as witnessed in the recent photos and videos," Di Rita said in his statement. "This story seems to reflect the fevered insights of those with little, if any, connection to the activities in the Department of Defense." Di Rita also said Cambone has never had any responsibility for any detainee or interrogation programs. The intelligence sources told the magazine photos of the sexual abuse were used to intimidate prisoners and detainees into providing information on the insurgency. It was thought that some prisoners would do anything ? including spying on their associates ? to avoid dissemination of the shameful photos to family and friends. One intelligence official said the CIA ended its involvement with the program at Abu Ghraib prison by last fall. "They said, 'No way. We signed up for the core program in Afghanistan ? pre-approved for operations against the high-value terrorist targets ? and now you want to use it for cabdrivers, brothers-in-law, and people pulled off the streets,'" the source said. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

05-16-2004, 01:00 AM	#3
Illicit wtf ? Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: GFY Posts: 11,895	its a war, they needed info, and this method was effective so why not implement it in Iraq. Unfortunately shit hit the fan and they are fucked now __________________ Insert Sig Here

05-16-2004, 01:12 AM	#7
James White Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dirty South, Atlanta ICQ# : 191-402-709 Posts: 1,405	makes me sick __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

05-16-2004, 01:14 AM	#8
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	who gives a fuck? fucking doon-coons. __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

05-16-2004, 01:34 AM	#10
kelly Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 901	I was just reading this story and the scary thing is that I'm not surprised __________________ http://www.thehungersite.com

05-16-2004, 12:59 AM	#2
Blinky Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 268	Not a surprise at all. Of course they knoew, of course they ok'd it. They should have never tried to use the soldiers as scapeoats though.

05-16-2004, 01:01 AM	#4
nathan_f Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Think of me as Chomsky with dick jokes. Posts: 3,983	hmm, i'm wondering if more (or the rest) of the abuse pics/vids come out, if we will see more videos from the 'terrorists' in return..

05-16-2004, 01:01 AM	#5
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	no suprise, i wouldnt put anything past the current administration

05-16-2004, 01:01 AM	#6
TheFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,095	thats fucked up

05-16-2004, 03:56 AM	#21
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Jesus, its 6:00 in the morning here. WTF am I doing up.

05-16-2004, 04:49 AM	#28
BigG So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 931	QUOTE]Originally posted by theking All in good order. [/QUOTE] YES!!! It has been way too long since we had a world leader willing to invade other countries in order to spread "goodness" throughout the world! Invade, conquer and free the world! Do this because they have no idea what is "good" for them! I also think it is necessary for Jews to identify themselves by wearing armbands. Nothing more, for now. We might need to "relocate" them in the future though, but Bush will announce that later.

05-16-2004, 05:11 AM	#29
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	KRL, I don't know you but I like the way you think, man. __________________ Complex, large-scale, multi-platform custom programming. icq # 106 769 997

05-16-2004, 05:28 AM	#30
cayne My time is coming... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe --- eMail: service(at)badasscompany.com --- ICQ: 60288510 Posts: 7,476	that's really fucked up! but I can't hear that story anymore... __________________ If lesbian anal is wrong, I don't want to be right.

05-16-2004, 05:34 AM	#31
Babel Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,457	why do you think the USA tries sp hard to get exempted form War Crimes Tribunals for these crimes if it's not so you can do it ? __________________

05-16-2004, 05:35 AM	#32
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	Just watch the house of cards continue to tumble KRL __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

05-16-2004, 06:02 AM	#35
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	Here's the CNN link if anyone is interested: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

05-16-2004, 06:04 AM	#36
genomega Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NW Florida Posts: 1,190	Seymour Hersh has shown like zero proof but the main stream press will leave that little fact out and report it as the truth. __________________ No Jerk TGP Gallery Monitor MoneyBookers