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Old 05-14-2004, 09:03 PM   #1
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Would you invest in HYDROGEN companies now?

"Realistically, the capacity of suppliers does not today meet growing demand in places such as China or India. And you have to take into account the state of affairs in Iraq," Semyon Vainshtok, head of Russia's oil pipeline monopoly, told Reuters.

It's not over yet but we are seeing signs of the upcoming future... shortage of oil. At some point in the next few years the demand will be higher than the offer, so basically the oil prices will be so high that it will be impossible to buy gas for normal people in many countries.

SO, i guess its time to ask the question, should we be looking for hydrogen-related companies to invest? Most of them are not even close to be profitable, thus they are cheap... an opportunity?

Feel free to contribute... and recommend stocks of course!
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:07 PM   #2
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I hope you dont think hydrogen stations will be springing up like gas stations... you can make the shit at home, ya might clear a few bucks if you invest in a hydrogen generator manufacturer.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:08 PM   #3
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i would select a small portfolio of about 8 alternative energy stocks, the 8 i selected have performed well so far(shorting tasr was much better tho ). good long term hold imo. some may not do well but the few that do should shoot up. the problem is recognizing which will develop a market, right now everything is in a developmental stage.

nanotechnology is at a similar stage, but everyone and their dog has pumped up prices of those companies.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:10 PM   #4
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Right, when the technology became available to the masses worldwide it will be a change of paradigm completelly to the energy biz... there will be no more gas stations, everyone will produce their fuel at home... im referring to invest in companies that currently are developing or already have the technology to produce the fuel and the equipment for cars, airplanes, electrical components, etc
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:13 PM   #5
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Btw, if you are serious about investing in hydrogen companies this is a very good place to start your research: http://www.h2fc.com/invest.html
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:14 PM   #6
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Right, when the technology became available to the masses worldwide it will be a change of paradigm completelly to the energy biz... there will be no more gas stations, everyone will produce their fuel at home... im referring to invest in companies that currently are developing or already have the technology to produce the fuel and the equipment for cars, airplanes, electrical components, etc
they're all in early stages, you don't know who will emerge or what will emerge. they could also create new opportunities for the company in other areas as well.

its too early to tell which is why its best to spread around a bit instead of concentrate on maybe one technology or company. you're pretty much talking about hitting a home run on the first pitch of the game. but you're not barry bonds and even he can't do it everytime.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:19 PM   #7
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they're all in early stages, you don't know who will emerge or what will emerge. they could also create new opportunities for the company in other areas as well.

its too early to tell which is why its best to spread around a bit instead of concentrate on maybe one technology or company. you're pretty much talking about hitting a home run on the first pitch of the game. but you're not barry bonds and even he can't do it everytime.
Yes, thats a very good advice for investing in early stages of new industries... diversify and start to concentrate more as you can differentiate who is becoming dominant or more profitable.

I wonder what the big oil companies will do... simple perish, readjust their biz or start buying all these small competitors? And i think there's nothing for granted... remember Western Union was the worldwide leader in communications back in the XIX century and look where it is now...
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:21 PM   #8
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Btw, if you are serious about investing in hydrogen companies this is a very good place to start your research: http://www.h2fc.com/invest.html
I'd probably invest in a hydrogen car once the price comes down, not sure about an actual company.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:27 PM   #9
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Of course! According to all i know so far, hydrogen will make the earth a better place... i read ALL the wonders about it everywhere, in some places i even read the hydrogen will make lawyers drop dead

seriously, every person who is informed about H2 tells me the same, that they will switch to it even if it has a high entry level... so, i would like to identify some possible companies to whom we are all going to buy from.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:28 PM   #10
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You need energy to produce hyrdogen. To producehydrogen at home on a hydrogen generator, you'd have to source your power from a battery (insert info about heavy metals and how environmentally terrible batteries are) or from the mains power from a socket in your wall, right? Just because it looks all nice and clean on your end doesn't mean there isn't coal, oil, or a whole list of other nasty shit producing that energy initially.

Things like hydrogen will only ever be a real benefit when the entire energy production sector is reformed. When the energy is initially converted to electricity from solar, wind, and hydro sources.

Feel free to correct me. Admittedly, i don't know too much about the situation.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:31 PM   #11
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hmm, anyone have tips on storing LARGE amounts of fuel?
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:32 PM   #12
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I feel the same as you... i think the correction to the energy sector will be applied like this:

- Oil & standard energy sources will be used for the large energy distribution networks (not cars, but cities )
- Your energy bill will go up
- You will save on oil for your car using your house or whatever energy source.

So, at the end, you will not have "free" fuel for your car, but a re-distributed cost.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:32 PM   #13
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Yes, thats a very good advice for investing in early stages of new industries... diversify and start to concentrate more as you can differentiate who is becoming dominant or more profitable.

I wonder what the big oil companies will do... simple perish, readjust their biz or start buying all these small competitors? And i think there's nothing for granted... remember Western Union was the worldwide leader in communications back in the XIX century and look where it is now...
i could see them buying companies, which would mean the stock price flies for those smaller alt energy companies. and they should pay cash which is even better because some of those companies are fucking cash cows.

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Old 05-14-2004, 09:35 PM   #14
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hmm, anyone have tips on storing LARGE amounts of fuel?
Buy a gas station and not sell to anyone?
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