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What would happen in the event of impact? I notice a big red "Danger" sticker on all of those tanks.
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everyone would dieOriginally posted by shermsshack
What would happen in the event of impact? I notice a big red "Danger" sticker on all of those tanks.
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Hydrogen is the future. Only thing they need to do is develop a very seriously secure enclosure to protect against an impact situation.
I can't wait. It'll send the all the cocky rich middle east arab royal towel heads back to the poverty line again too.
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Originally posted by shermsshack
What would happen in the event of impact? I notice a big red "Danger" sticker on all of those tanks.
Once the Hydride is "charged" with Hydrogen, the Hydrogen becomes chemically bonded to the chemical. Even opening the tank, or cutting it in half will not release the Hydrogen gas. In addition, you could even fire incendiary bullets through the tank and the Hydride would only smolder like a cigarette. It is in fact, a safer storage system than your Gasoline tank is.
Read the "Storage" section... he breaks down the 3 ways you could store it and how only one way (he mentions) is 'safe'.Comment
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Not while theres still oil in them thar hills it wont.Originally posted by KRL
I can't wait. It'll send the all the cocky rich middle east arab royal towel heads back to the poverty line again too.
Besides, afaik all the middle east oil barrons are leaps and bounds ahead of us on nextgen energy solutions. I think they plan to stick around for awhile.Comment
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sounds nice!Originally posted by goBigtime
Once the Hydride is "charged" with Hydrogen, the Hydrogen becomes chemically bonded to the chemical. Even opening the tank, or cutting it in half will not release the Hydrogen gas. In addition, you could even fire incendiary bullets through the tank and the Hydride would only smolder like a cigarette. It is in fact, a safer storage system than your Gasoline tank is.
Read the "Storage" section... he breaks down the 3 ways you could store it and how only one way (he mentions) is 'safe'.
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Man!
This just all sounds too f'in good to be true...
.....The fuel system then seamlessly switches over to Hydrogen and remains in that mode until no more Hydrogen is released from the tanks. Leaving the Gasoline fuel system intact also enables you to run on Gasoline should you ever run out of Hydrogen.
The only exhaust products from using Hydrogen as a fuel are steam ( water vapor ) and a tiny amount of Nitrogen Oxides. It's about as clean burning as you can get.
Again... wtf.Comment
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I can't wait for their referral program
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If it is ever available to the general public, the government would only find some other fucking way to tax the shit out of it, once again.Comment
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For the environment, hydrogen is not the answer. Hydrogen must be freed from water. To do that an electrical current is passed through the water seperating it into its components oxygen and hydrogen. The amount of energy needed to do this is greater than the energy potential in the hydrogen and oxygen generated. To switch all cars to hydrogen, more oil would be required. Not less. Unless you use another new source of energy (such as solar which at this point wouldn't be practical) to generate the hydrogen.Comment
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Yeah it is.. at the very least we'll NEVER run out of hydrogen.Originally posted by KRL
Hydrogen is the future. Only thing they need to do is develop a very seriously secure enclosure to protect against an impact situation.
I can't wait. It'll send the all the cocky rich middle east arab royal towel heads back to the poverty line again too.
Its not THAT much more dangerous then gasoline tanks either.Comment
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Everything you just said is refuted at the site (if you believe them)... here's an example:Originally posted by jas1552
For the environment, hydrogen is not the answer. Hydrogen must be freed from water. To do that an electrical current is passed through the water seperating it into its components oxygen and hydrogen. The amount of energy needed to do this is greater than the energy potential in the hydrogen and oxygen generated. To switch all cars to hydrogen, more oil would be required. Not less. Unless you use another new source of energy (such as solar which at this point wouldn't be practical) to generate the hydrogen.
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What's Real?
A lot has been written about converting vehicles to run hydrogen. Unfortunately, a lot of what you'll find on the internet is simply untrue.
ANY claim of fueling a car with water, and having the water converted to Hydrogen quickly enough to power a passenger vehicle is pure B.S.
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Read it and see what these guys did.Last edited by goBigtime; 05-14-2004, 04:13 AM.Comment
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What they're saying is you can't seperate the hydrogen from water while driving because it takes too long, would require too large of a water tank and too large of a hydrogen tank. What they're saying is you would have to get the hydrogen first and then fill your tank with it. The article does still say that the electrolysis process would be used to free the hydrogen from water. It doesn't matter when you generate the hydrogen it would still take more energy to generate hydrogen than the hydrogen could then produce. In other words it's like if you burn enough oil which you could have used to drive 20 miles to produce another fuel that you could use to drive 15 miles.Originally posted by goBigtime
Everything you just said is refuted at the site (if you believe them)... here's an example:
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What's Real?
A lot has been written about converting vehicles to run hydrogen. Unfortunately, a lot of what you'll find on the internet is simply untrue.
ANY claim of fueling a car with water, and having the water converted to Hydrogen quickly enough to power a passenger vehicle is pure B.S.
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Read it and see what these guys did.Comment
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So what you're insinuating then is - the site is a hoax. Right?Originally posted by jas1552
The article does still say that the electrolysis process would be used to free the hydrogen from water. It doesn't matter when you generate the hydrogen it would still take more energy to generate hydrogen than the hydrogen could then produce. In other words it's like if you burn enough oil which you could have used to drive 20 miles to produce another fuel that you could use to drive 15 miles.Last edited by goBigtime; 05-14-2004, 04:32 AM.Comment
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They are saying you can generate the hydrogen at home using solar panels on your roof. Not sure how well that would work though. Most people would probably just plug the generator in to the electrical outlet which would defeat the purpose, as you mentioned.
"the system consists of two parts, the Hydrogen fuel system in your vehicle, and a Hydrogen generating system that remains in your garage. The Hydrogen generator is either powered by solar panels on the roof of your house, a wind turbine set-up ( both of which makes your Hydrogen fuel at virtually no cost ) or with standard 110 volt AC power for rapid refueling. "Comment
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there goes horsepower out the W.I.N.D.O.W, yay what fun.
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wow great alternative...
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A good portion of the energy that comes through your outlets comes from natural energy sources like windmills, solar, etc... which then gets sold to power companies.
Solar power is only considered 'expensive' to some because of the (lack of) demand.
I remember when CD-R discs were $10+ each.. now they are like a nickle each.Comment
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I'm not sure about that.Originally posted by Veterans Day
there goes horsepower out the W.I.N.D.O.W, yay what fun.
Gas is gonna hit 3 bucks a gallon this summer in Cali.
If you want horsepower, buy a horse.
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the problem with hydrogen is that you need electricity to refill, and where do we get the electricity ?
it would take 20 years to build enough nuke plants to be able to sustain the energy the cars would use
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Here's a quote from an auto industry site about why "Hydrogen Stations" wouldn't be economical..
(From the Automotive Service Association site....
www. asashop. org/autoinc/may2002/mech.cfm)
"The Hydrogen Economy
According to the American Petroleum Institute, there are approximately 180,000 gas stations in the United States. The California Fuel Cell Partnership estimates the nation would need 500 hydrogen filling stations as part of the hydrogen infrastructure to serve an initial fuel-cell vehicle fleet size of 40,000 vehicles, as an example. At a cost-per-station estimated at $450,000, the financial commitment to a hydrogen economy is staggering."
What's funny is I remember about 5 years ago or so, they passed some EPA law in California that required every gas station out there to do some $300,000+ EPA upgrade thing. Tons of gas stations were pissed about that one.
So if a compliance "Upgrade" can be forced on stations that costs like a quarter of a million... why not a new and revolutionary alternative fuel choice that will cost slightly more than that per station?
... then again, you have to remember who came up with the $400k per station figure. The real number could possibly be much less than that per station.Last edited by goBigtime; 05-14-2004, 04:48 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by Babel
the problem with hydrogen is that you need electricity to refill, and where do we get the electricity ?
it would take 20 years to build enough nuke plants to be able to sustain the energy the cars would use
The problem is people don't read the link before commenting with technical jargon on the subject and how it wouldn't work.
As far as I can see... this is something they are doing NOW.
Read the link.. they can use Solar to charge their tanks.Last edited by goBigtime; 05-14-2004, 04:50 AM.Comment
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hmmm 1.80 here, Ill gladly pay for petrol instead of having some lame ass fuel alternative.Originally posted by goBigtime
I'm not sure about that.
Gas is gonna hit 3 bucks a gallon this summer in Cali.
If you want horsepower, buy a horse.
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Originally posted by Veterans Day
hmmm 1.80 here, Ill gladly pay for petrol instead of having some lame ass fuel alternative.
Here lies the epitome of why we're ultimately fucked as a nation and species.
Brb, gonna go hug a tree.
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Originally posted by goBigtime
Here lies the epitome of why we're ultimately fucked as a nation and species.
Brb, gonna go hug a tree.
ok bro take care
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No. Not at all. I would like as much as anyone for their to be a cheap, non polluting, and easy energy solution. I'm just saying with current technology hydrogen power is beyond reach for most and impractical for all. I mean for people who are especially worried about global warming and have the means to convert their car to hydrogen and buy solar panels and/or a wind turbine it could be a solution if they didn't mind waiting over 2 days to fill up the smallest "short range" tank available.Originally posted by goBigtime
So what you're insinuating then is - the site is a hoax. Right?
from the site. "You can produce your own Hydrogen from electricity using either common "household current" or directly from solar cells so your energy cost is zero. It does however take a substantial amount of time to produce sufficient Hydrogen to fill even a small tank.
As an example, it takes over 2 days of our generator running at full power, 24 hours a day, to fill our smallest "short range" tank."Comment
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Originally posted by goBigtime
make that fuel cost.
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Originally posted by jas1552
No. Not at all. I would like as much as anyone for their to be a cheap, non polluting, and easy energy solution. I'm just saying with current technology hydrogen power is beyond reach for most and impractical for all. I mean for people who are especially worried about global warming and have the means to convert their car to hydrogen and buy solar panels and/or a wind turbine it could be a solution if they didn't mind waiting over 2 days to fill up the smallest "short range" tank available.
from the site. "You can produce your own Hydrogen from electricity using either common "household current" or directly from solar cells so your energy cost is zero. It does however take a substantial amount of time to produce sufficient Hydrogen to fill even a small tank.
As an example, it takes over 2 days of our generator running at full power, 24 hours a day, to fill our smallest "short range" tank."
Yeah... and from the sounds of it, having a bunch of backup tanks for a charging rotation would be expensive. I guess the Hydride "Hydrogen-sponge' material that they put in the tanks is like the most expensive part of this whole process
It's probably one of those things where with demand, the price could become very reasonable.
Ideally, you would just swap out tanks as often as you would go get gas... or better yet you could swap out those tanks just like people currently swap out 5 gallon water jugs or propane tanks -- you give them your empty & pay the refilling fee.Comment
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When I worked for MBNA in the eighties , they already had a hyrdogen vehicle. This isnt new, the problem as long as the oil companies buy politicians we will never make true forward movement in alternative fuel sources. Maybe when Gas is 10 dollars a gallon they will wake up lol.Comment
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That sounds more effective then Bush's war against terrorism.Originally posted by KRL
Hydrogen is the future. Only thing they need to do is develop a very seriously secure enclosure to protect against an impact situation.
I can't wait. It'll send the all the cocky rich middle east arab royal towel heads back to the poverty line again too.
Cheaper too
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Store the Hydrogen as a compressed gas
Great, just what I want a fuckin' Hindenburg under my ass.
The fact is there are two methods to extracting hydrogen from water.
One uses a "platelet" method and the newer one uses a "pellet"
method. The pellet method is 200 times faster at extracting hydrogen
than the platelet method.
The greedy oil pigs don't want to install the extractors in vehicles so
that one could fill the vehicle's tank with tap water. What they want
is for them to hold the extractors and have us drive around with
compressed hydrogen tanks strapped to vehicles and fill up our
vehicles tank with hydrogen sold at gas stations.
Fuck them, fuck having a Hindenburg under my ass.
Can you imagine the catastrophe a vehicle collision would be when
one or two vehicles running on compressed hydrogen tanks crash?
A fuckin' freeway nuclear explosion which would take out everything
within 1000 feet of ground zero.
I'll wait for the black market hydrogen extractors to surface on the market
and then strap one of those onto my vehicle.Sig NOT for saleComment
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Originally posted by shermsshack
What would happen in the event of impact? I notice a big red "Danger" sticker on all of those tanks.
boom
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so what would happen if a terrorist decided to buy a bunch of this crap and fill up an 18 wheeler with it. then drive it to downtown ny and throw a stick of dynamite in the back?Comment
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how do you think you will get the energy needed to extract hydrogen from water while u're driving?Originally posted by Wilber
Store the Hydrogen as a compressed gas
Great, just what I want a fuckin' Hindenburg under my ass.
The fact is there are two methods to extracting hydrogen from water.
One uses a "platelet" method and the newer one uses a "pellet"
method. The pellet method is 200 times faster at extracting hydrogen
than the platelet method.
The greedy oil pigs don't want to install the extractors in vehicles so
that one could fill the vehicle's tank with tap water. What they want
is for them to hold the extractors and have us drive around with
compressed hydrogen tanks strapped to vehicles and fill up our
vehicles tank with hydrogen sold at gas stations.
Fuck them, fuck having a Hindenburg under my ass.
Can you imagine the catastrophe a vehicle collision would be when
one or two vehicles running on compressed hydrogen tanks crash?
A fuckin' freeway nuclear explosion which would take out everything
within 1000 feet of ground zero.
I'll wait for the black market hydrogen extractors to surface on the market
and then strap one of those onto my vehicle.
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Originally posted by KRL
Hydrogen is the future. Only thing they need to do is develop a very seriously secure enclosure to protect against an impact situation.
I can't wait. It'll send the all the cocky rich middle east arab royal towel heads back to the poverty line again too.
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hamsters and wheels?Originally posted by Lane
how do you think you will get the energy needed to extract hydrogen from water while u're driving?Comment
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Yeah, the destruction of the world we live in is much more fun eh? Its cool since we have like 100 backup earths to move to after we fuck this one beyond repair.Originally posted by Veterans Day
there goes horsepower out the W.I.N.D.O.W, yay what fun.
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Originally posted by stephanie m.
Yeah, the destruction of the world we live in is much more fun eh? Its cool since we have like 100 backup earths to move to after we fuck this one beyond repair.
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Originally posted by Veterans Day
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Sorry, must be over your head.Originally posted by Veterans Day
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WOW! Nice...
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I get it. You're saying you're one of those environmentalist sheep.Originally posted by stephanie m.
Sorry, must be over your head.
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