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Donny · 05-14-2004, 01:49 AM

Wouldn't it be interesting if this beheading video turned out to be part of a big "Wag the Dog" storyline?

I can only hope. I hate the reality that video portrays. I'd like it much better if we're all being played.

newsdude · 05-14-2004, 01:53 AM

I haven't seen the video nor this film. And I think I'm not missing much!

Creative · 05-14-2004, 01:55 AM

Never heard of it

PiksalDesign · 05-14-2004, 01:55 AM

Yes, i have.

Donny · 05-14-2004, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Creative
Never heard of it

For political reasons, a Hollywood Producer is hired to create a fake war (a movie that looks legit) and it's passed off as being real. Everyone eats it up. But the war is not really going on... all the scenes are created by the producer and aired on the regular news, etc. No one ever catches on.

At least that's what I remember...

PiksalDesign · 05-14-2004, 01:59 AM

It seems as if your trying to deny that, that man really had his head hacked off for your own comfort purposes.

I understand its horrible, but sadly its true.

I would have to say though, I wouldnt really laugh much if we were being played.

chemicaleyes · 05-14-2004, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PiksalDesign
It seems as if your trying to deny that, that man really had his head hacked off for your own comfort purposes.

I understand its horrible, but sadly its true.

I would have to say though, I wouldnt really laugh much if we were being played.

He's not trying to deny it, just giving another possibility for thought. You seem to be unable to except the fact that it COULD be faked.

Rich · 05-14-2004, 02:38 AM

The war is fake, the guy getting his head cut off is real.

PiksalDesign · 05-14-2004, 02:46 AM

I wonder if Berg thinks its fake?

"Nick Berg, a 26 year old American contractor whose decapitated body was found in Iraq Saturday, reportedly was killed in retaliation for American abuse of Iraqi prisoners. His execution was videotaped and shown on an Iraqi website associated with al-Qaida and Islamic extremist groups:"

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/006450.html

"The American identified himself on the video as Nick Berg, a 26-year-old Philadelphia native. His body was found near a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday, the same day he was beheaded, a U.S. official said. "

http://www.halifaxherald.com/stories.../f274.raw.html

"May 8: The U.S. military discovers Berg's remains in Baghdad."

http://cbs11tv.com/international/Ira...rces_news_html

I have no problem swinging both ways on the subject, but its better to realize fact, than to hope for fiction.

FoundrySteve · 05-14-2004, 02:48 AM

Great movie. Not sure if it applies, but nothing would surprise me at this point....

Well, except for a nuclear bomb in downtown Manhattan. That would surprise the hell out of me.

chemicaleyes · 05-14-2004, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PiksalDesign
I wonder if Berg thinks its fake?

"Nick Berg, a 26 year old American contractor whose decapitated body was found in Iraq Saturday, reportedly was killed in retaliation for American abuse of Iraqi prisoners. His execution was videotaped and shown on an Iraqi website associated with al-Qaida and Islamic extremist groups:"

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/006450.html

"The American identified himself on the video as Nick Berg, a 26-year-old Philadelphia native. His body was found near a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday, the same day he was beheaded, a U.S. official said. "

http://www.halifaxherald.com/stories.../f274.raw.html

"May 8: The U.S. military discovers Berg's remains in Baghdad."

http://cbs11tv.com/international/Ira...rces_news_html

I have no problem swinging both ways on the subject, but its better to realize fact, than to hope for fiction.

Never said it was fake, just that it's a fact there are the resources available to fake it, if the government wanted to.

hova · 05-14-2004, 02:53 AM

Ive seen the movie, and it sucks

Mr. Marks · 05-14-2004, 04:18 AM

Wag the what? haven't heard of it.

Reak · 05-14-2004, 04:20 AM

Never heard of it..

EviLGuY · 05-14-2004, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Wouldn't it be interesting if this beheading video turned out to be part of a big "Wag the Dog" storyline?

I can only hope. I hate the reality that video portrays. I'd like it much better if we're all being played.

That was a pretty good movie. I could see something like that happening too.

jayeff · 05-14-2004, 04:40 AM

Most of us accept that we are frequently lied to by politicians and that it's very rare for us to be told the unadorned truth, without some kind of spin.

For example, the "official" translation of the beheading tape has one sentence as "Does Al Quaeda need any further excuses?". That is the basis on which the beheading is attributed to Al Quaeda. But since the speaker says "al quaed" and not "al quaedA", then according to CNN's senior editor for Arab affairs, what he actually said was "Is there any excuse for one who sits down and does nothing?".

And once the official line was that this beheading was the work of Al Quaeda, why not dramatize it a little more, making the speaker Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (someone we are told is very close to Bin Laden and operating in Iraq on his behalf). The only flaw is that Zarqawi is Jordanian and the speaker was not. But how many Americans would know that?

It's only a small step from bending reality to actually creating it. But we don't want to believe our own people or our allies would carry out atrocities just to manipulate our opinions. Even to suggest that, means running the risk of being labelled with the loonies who come up with conspiracy theories for just about everything.

That's the position I find myself in about 911. My reaction was "Arabs" as the first plan hit. But when there was a second plane, then a third, here was something which needed long-term planning and coordination a world apart from anything that Arab terrorists had done before. As far as a private citizen can, I have followed middle east affairs for 35 years, and 911 just didn't fit.

With all the anomalies that have emerged since, I still wouldn't try to argue the case for alternative perpetrators. But even the idea of Al Quaeda as an international terrorist organisation is hard to swallow. It had been known for some time that Bin Laden operated a training camp for terrorists. And as with all such camps, some of the people who passed through went back to their respective countries and put their training to use. So the name "Al Quaeda" had surfaced from time to time and there was every reason to want to shut Bin Laden down. But before 911, I don't recall a single reference to Al Quaeda ("The Base") as more than a training camp.

It is possible that a guy hiding out somewhere in the mountains of Afghanistan really does control an international network, but it was also a lucky coincidence that he happened to be based in the very country where we wanted to start an oil pipeline. I don't doubt that for a while the world might be a marginally safer place without Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. But I also believe that they have been demonized and their potential impact on world affairs has been hugely exaggerated in order to get American voters lined up behind a quite different program from the one we are being sold.

That isn't as blatant as the outright misdirection that Donovan was thinking about. But we are being played just as effectively.

chemicaleyes · 05-14-2004, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reak
Never heard of it..

Rochard · 05-14-2004, 05:59 AM

The thought has crossed my mind. The video, while very upsetting, looks fake. I've never sliced off someone's head but I wouldn't imagine it to be a twenty second job.

And timing is a bit perfect.

Raven · 05-14-2004, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
For political reasons, a Hollywood Producer is hired to create a fake war (a movie that looks legit) and it's passed off as being real. Everyone eats it up. But the war is not really going on... all the scenes are created by the producer and aired on the regular news, etc. No one ever catches on.

At least that's what I remember...

It was actually a pretty good movie.....since I've never seen the beheading and have no future plans of ever seeing it, I don't know if it's a 'wag the dog' thing.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, Donovan.

Vitasoy · 05-14-2004, 06:11 AM

Heard about it, but passed up on it.

FoundrySteve · 05-14-2004, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff
Most of us accept that we are frequently lied to by politicians and that it's very rare for us to be told the unadorned truth, without some kind of spin.

For example, the "official" translation of the beheading tape has one sentence as "Does Al Quaeda need any further excuses?". That is the basis on which the beheading is attributed to Al Quaeda. But since the speaker says "al quaed" and not "al quaedA", then according to CNN's senior editor for Arab affairs, what he actually said was "Is there any excuse for one who sits down and does nothing?".

And once the official line was that this beheading was the work of Al Quaeda, why not dramatize it a little more, making the speaker Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (someone we are told is very close to Bin Laden and operating in Iraq on his behalf). The only flaw is that Zarqawi is Jordanian and the speaker was not. But how many Americans would know that?

It's only a small step from bending reality to actually creating it. But we don't want to believe our own people or our allies would carry out atrocities just to manipulate our opinions. Even to suggest that, means running the risk of being labelled with the loonies who come up with conspiracy theories for just about everything.

That's the position I find myself in about 911. My reaction was "Arabs" as the first plan hit. But when there was a second plane, then a third, here was something which needed long-term planning and coordination a world apart from anything that Arab terrorists had done before. As far as a private citizen can, I have followed middle east affairs for 35 years, and 911 just didn't fit.

With all the anomalies that have emerged since, I still wouldn't try to argue the case for alternative perpetrators. But even the idea of Al Quaeda as an international terrorist organisation is hard to swallow. It had been known for some time that Bin Laden operated a training camp for terrorists. And as with all such camps, some of the people who passed through went back to their respective countries and put their training to use. So the name "Al Quaeda" had surfaced from time to time and there was every reason to want to shut Bin Laden down. But before 911, I don't recall a single reference to Al Quaeda ("The Base") as more than a training camp.

It is possible that a guy hiding out somewhere in the mountains of Afghanistan really does control an international network, but it was also a lucky coincidence that he happened to be based in the very country where we wanted to start an oil pipeline. I don't doubt that for a while the world might be a marginally safer place without Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. But I also believe that they have been demonized and their potential impact on world affairs has been hugely exaggerated in order to get American voters lined up behind a quite different program from the one we are being sold.

That isn't as blatant as the outright misdirection that Donovan was thinking about. But we are being played just as effectively.

I want to book you as a guest on my radio show. Interested?

The Truth Hurts · 05-14-2004, 10:28 AM

great movie.

05-14-2004, 01:49 AM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Have You Seen "Wag the Dog" ?? Wouldn't it be interesting if this beheading video turned out to be part of a big "Wag the Dog" storyline? I can only hope. I hate the reality that video portrays. I'd like it much better if we're all being played.

05-14-2004, 01:53 AM	#2
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05-14-2004, 01:59 AM	#6
PiksalDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 1,632	It seems as if your trying to deny that, that man really had his head hacked off for your own comfort purposes. I understand its horrible, but sadly its true. I would have to say though, I wouldnt really laugh much if we were being played. __________________ 469344657

05-14-2004, 02:46 AM	#9
PiksalDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 1,632	I wonder if Berg thinks its fake? "Nick Berg, a 26 year old American contractor whose decapitated body was found in Iraq Saturday, reportedly was killed in retaliation for American abuse of Iraqi prisoners. His execution was videotaped and shown on an Iraqi website associated with al-Qaida and Islamic extremist groups:" http://talkleft.com/new_archives/006450.html "The American identified himself on the video as Nick Berg, a 26-year-old Philadelphia native. His body was found near a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday, the same day he was beheaded, a U.S. official said. " http://www.halifaxherald.com/stories.../f274.raw.html "May 8: The U.S. military discovers Berg's remains in Baghdad." http://cbs11tv.com/international/Ira...rces_news_html I have no problem swinging both ways on the subject, but its better to realize fact, than to hope for fiction. __________________ 469344657

05-14-2004, 01:55 AM	#3
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05-14-2004, 02:38 AM	#8
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	The war is fake, the guy getting his head cut off is real.

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05-14-2004, 04:18 AM	#13
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	Wag the what? haven't heard of it.

05-14-2004, 04:20 AM	#14
Reak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 420Calendar.com Posts: 17,920	Never heard of it..

05-14-2004, 04:40 AM	#16
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Most of us accept that we are frequently lied to by politicians and that it's very rare for us to be told the unadorned truth, without some kind of spin. For example, the "official" translation of the beheading tape has one sentence as "Does Al Quaeda need any further excuses?". That is the basis on which the beheading is attributed to Al Quaeda. But since the speaker says "al quaed" and not "al quaedA", then according to CNN's senior editor for Arab affairs, what he actually said was "Is there any excuse for one who sits down and does nothing?". And once the official line was that this beheading was the work of Al Quaeda, why not dramatize it a little more, making the speaker Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (someone we are told is very close to Bin Laden and operating in Iraq on his behalf). The only flaw is that Zarqawi is Jordanian and the speaker was not. But how many Americans would know that? It's only a small step from bending reality to actually creating it. But we don't want to believe our own people or our allies would carry out atrocities just to manipulate our opinions. Even to suggest that, means running the risk of being labelled with the loonies who come up with conspiracy theories for just about everything. That's the position I find myself in about 911. My reaction was "Arabs" as the first plan hit. But when there was a second plane, then a third, here was something which needed long-term planning and coordination a world apart from anything that Arab terrorists had done before. As far as a private citizen can, I have followed middle east affairs for 35 years, and 911 just didn't fit. With all the anomalies that have emerged since, I still wouldn't try to argue the case for alternative perpetrators. But even the idea of Al Quaeda as an international terrorist organisation is hard to swallow. It had been known for some time that Bin Laden operated a training camp for terrorists. And as with all such camps, some of the people who passed through went back to their respective countries and put their training to use. So the name "Al Quaeda" had surfaced from time to time and there was every reason to want to shut Bin Laden down. But before 911, I don't recall a single reference to Al Quaeda ("The Base") as more than a training camp. It is possible that a guy hiding out somewhere in the mountains of Afghanistan really does control an international network, but it was also a lucky coincidence that he happened to be based in the very country where we wanted to start an oil pipeline. I don't doubt that for a while the world might be a marginally safer place without Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. But I also believe that they have been demonized and their potential impact on world affairs has been hugely exaggerated in order to get American voters lined up behind a quite different program from the one we are being sold. That isn't as blatant as the outright misdirection that Donovan was thinking about. But we are being played just as effectively.

05-14-2004, 05:59 AM	#18
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,606	The thought has crossed my mind. The video, while very upsetting, looks fake. I've never sliced off someone's head but I wouldn't imagine it to be a twenty second job. And timing is a bit perfect. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Vitasoy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 58,202	Heard about it, but passed up on it. __________________ [email protected]

05-14-2004, 10:28 AM	#22
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,393	great movie.