US Planning To Invade & Liberate Cuba

[KRL]

Quick, fast op, and totally unexpected. The Cuban people will be dancing in the streets and waving American flags to the site of US soldiers finally freeing them and their economy from Castro's totalitarian regime.

Bye bye Fidel. You heard it first on GFY.



Phase 1 is underway.

[Roger]

you gotta be kidding
Who do you want to invade today?

[torrey]

Why does it have to be our job to attempt to liberate??

[acctman]

DAMNIT why is this country so fucked up. i hope you're joking about that

[Oh Sheila]

to liberate = control

I don't agree with it, but it's true

[Juicy D. Links]

Bush is a prick

[MrIzzz]

theres no oil in cuba, so why would we help them

[Sarah_Jayne]

chill the fuck out people

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL
The Cuban people will be dancing in the streets and waving American flags to the site of US soldiers finally freeing them and their economy from Castro's totalitarian regime.

what makes you say that?

i don't know much about Cuba.

and is this a good thing?

[Roger]

Originally posted by acctman
DAMNIT why is this country so fucked up. i hope you're joking about that

Of course he's joking, an invasion doesn't happen overnight.

[DR_PHIL]

the us has attack plans for EVERY country. Most superpowers do. All part of our tax dollars in motion.

[GonePhishing]

I know you're kidding, but I have to admit our current administration is so stupid that I almost thought you might be serious. You can't put anything at any level of stupidity past the Bush Admin. Them and IIC hosting should get together. They have a lot in common.

[VeriSexy]

Originally posted by KRL
Quick, fast op, and totally unexpected. The Cuban people will be dancing in the streets and waving American flags to the site of US soldiers finally freeing them and their economy from Castro's totalitarian regime.

Bye bye Fidel. You heard it first on GFY.



Phase 1 is underway.

"Fidel Castro Is A Hero To The Cuban people"

The Cuban Missile Crisis was one of the few times that the 'rules' of the Cold War were nearly forgotten. Berlin, Korea, Hungary and Suez - the 'rules' had been followed. But in Cuba this broke down and the Cuban Missile Crisis was the only time when 'hot war' could have broken out.

In the 1950?s Cuba was lead by a right-wing dictator called Fulgencio Batista. He dealt with opponents with extreme harshness and while a few prospered under his regime, many Cubans were very poor. He was not tolerant of communists and received the support of the Americans. Batista?s sole support within Cuba came from the army which was equipped by the Americans.

For some years, Havana, the capital of Cuba, had been the play ground of the rich from America. They would come to the island at the weekend to gamble - illegal in all parts of America except for Las Vegas at this time. Havana was considered more convenient for those living in the southern states of America. Large sums of money were spent but most was creamed off by Batista and his henchmen. Over $200 million was actually invested in Cuba itself. For all the money coming into Cuba, the poor remained very poor.

Some young Cubans, who had read about socialism and what it offered the poor, reacted against Batista?s corruption and oppression. Their first attempt to overthrow the government was a failure and the small group of rebels fled to the Sierra Mastra - a remote area of Cuba. Here they sharpened their tactics and used the most valuable weapon they had; educating the poor in their ways. They used the tactics of Mao Tse Tung by actually helping out the poverty stricken peasants on their land. These people had been used to abuse for years and here were young educated people actually helping them for free.

It was only a matter of time before the ?message? spread to other areas of Cuba and by 1959, the rebels lead by Fidel Castro felt strong enough to overthrow the government of Batista. This they easily achieved as they were aided by popular support.

Castro?s first task was to punish those who had abused the poor. Those found guilty were hahahahahahahad. He then nationalised all American firms in Cuba so that their wealth would be invested in Cuba itself rather than leave the island and go to multi-nationals in America. The money made from this measure was primarily spent on a national health system so that all medical treatment was free and on education. Castro also introduced major land reforms.

Some Cubans fled and went to live in Florida. These Cuban exiles were treated by some Americans as heroes and brought with them stories that outraged the American press. Most were false or exaggerated but this was ignored. America reacted by refusing to do any trade with Cuba whatsoever. This trade embargo would have bankrupted the island as her biggest money earner was exporting sugar to America. Up to this time, there is little evidence that Castro or Cuba had any real intention of teaming up with communist Russia. In 1960, Castro referred to himself as a socialist - not a communist.

However, the trade embargo brought the two together as Russia stepped in to buy Cuba?s sugar and other exports. The actions of America appear to have driven Castro into the support offered by Russia.

Now with a supporter of communism only 50 miles from Florida, the new American president - J F Kennedy - decided to give support to the anti-Castro Cubans who had gone to Florida. With CIA funding, a group of armed Cuban exiles tried to land in Cuba at the Bay of Pigs in 1961 with the sole intention of overthrowing the Castro government. It proved a fiasco - jeeps landed without fuel; no maps of the island being issued; Cuban exiles firing on Cuban exiles. But to Castro, this episode showed him where America stood in relations to Cuba. Kennedy did not apologise for America?s involvement in this event

After the fiasco of the Bay of Pigs episode, Cuba obviously felt threatened by her massively powerful neighbour. Castro started to look for a closer relationship with Russia who could offer her protection.

In Sept 1962, anti-Castro Cuban refugees reported to the CIA that there was a build-up of Russian bases in Cuba.

On October 16th 1962, a U2 spy plane took high level photographs over Cuba and the resulting photographic prints revealed what was obviously a base for missiles. These were later identified as being inter-mediate range missiles capable of carrying a nuclear payload.

On October 17th 1962 the CIA reported to the president that the 16 to 32 missiles identified could kill 80 million Americans as they had a range of 2000 miles with a flight time of just 17 minutes. While this was happening USA Intelligence reported that over 20 Russian ships were heading for Cuba with crates on board that obviously contained more missiles. They were not difficult to detect as they were being carried on deck in full view of US observer planes.

On October 25th 1962 more U2 photographs showed that the bases would be fully operational in a few days - at the latest by the end of October.

The threat to USA was very obvious. On October 27th the matter was made worse when a U2 was shot down by a Russian missile and the pilot killed.

In total, the Russians sent to Cuba 42 medium range missiles and 24 intermediate range missiles - which had a capability of 3500 miles. 22,000 Russian troops and technicians accompanied the missiles.

What should Kennedy do ?

He had already made a major mistake with the Bay of Pigs affair - now he could afford no such errors as the consequences would be disastrous for everyone.

He had essentially five choices............



1 He could do nothing and ignore the missiles. This would have been political suicide and if the Russians had seen this as weakness on his part, they could have taken advantage of it.
2 He could order a full scale military invasion of Cuba. This could lead to heavy US casualties and that would be politically damaging. It would almost certainly involve Russian casualties which could escalate the problem. The American chiefs-of-staff were not convinced that it would be successful either especially as the offending missile bases were in remote areas and most were well inland.
3 He could order an air strike against the missile bases only. The problem again would be Russian casualties and the Air Force was not sure it could deliver pin-point bombing raids on what were relatively small targets.
4 He could call on the Russians to remove the missiles explaining the damage their presence was doing to Russian/American relations. However, the Russians were highly unlikely to listen to a ?polite? request especially as they even refused to recognise the existence of the missiles at the United Nations emergency meeting on the matter.
5 He could put a naval blockade around the island - quarantine it - and not allow any more Russian ships to enter Cuba. This would still leave missiles on Cuba but the negotiations would continue in the background while publically Kennedy would be seen to be doing something specific.

Following American protests, Khruschev, the Russian leader, sent Kennedy two letters both of which sent conflicting messages.

One letter said that the missiles would be withdrawn if Kennedy promised not to invade Cuba.

The other was more threatening claiming that as USA had bases actually in Turkey, why should not the USSR have bases in Cuba especially as the people of Cuba wanted them ? Khruschev said that if USA removed her missiles from Turkey then USSR would remove them from Cuba. These messages left Kennedy confused.

Kennedy decided to act on Khruschev`s first letter and offered the following :

USSR was to remove its missiles from Cuba and USA was to end Cuba`s quarantine and to give out a promise not to invade Cuba.

If the USSR did not respond by October 29th, USA would launch a military invasion of Cuba. On October 28th, Khruschev replied that the USSR would remove the missiles. Within 2 months they were gone. The Cuban Missile Crisis was over but it had taken the world to the brink of nuclear war.

The end result of the crisis was seen as a huge success for Kennedy but contributed to the downfall of Khrushchev in Russia. The one positive thing to come out of the crisis was the creation of a hot-line between Moscow and Washington to allow for easier communication between the two nations leaders at a time of crisis.

This is one of the few examples of the Cold War where the two principle countries actually got involved themselves against the other. Up to 1962, other nations fought out the Cold War on their behalf (USA + China in Korea; USA + North Vietnamese in the Vietnam War etc.) as each knew that a conflict between the two would have the potential to be horrific. The lessons learned from Cuba ensured that neither would push each to the brink again and that the ?rules? of the Cold War would be adhered to.

Just one year later in 1963, both nations signed the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. This treaty stated that neither would explode nuclear bombs during testing in the atmosphere. This was a popular treaty in America and a sign that something positive had come out of the Cuban Crisis - that of a greater respect for each other.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cuba.htm

[acctman]

Originally posted by Roger
Of course he's joking, an invasion doesn't happen overnight.

it does with bush

[KRL]

Originally posted by MrIzzz
theres no oil in cuba, so why would we help them

Cuba has about 500 Million barrels of proven Oil reserves. About $20 Billion worth. They produce approaching $1 Billion annually in oil revenues.

[Oh Sheila]

Originally posted by acctman
it does with bush

True.. it's not like the U.N. is able to stand in his way.

[VeriSexy]

In the 1950?s Cuba was lead by a right-wing dictator called Fulgencio Batista. He dealt with opponents with extreme harshness and while a few prospered under his regime, many Cubans were very poor. He was not tolerant of communists and received the support of the Americans. Batista?s sole support within Cuba came from the army which was equipped by the Americans.

Castro?s first task was to punish those who had abused the poor. Those found guilty were hahahahahahahad. He then nationalised all American firms in Cuba so that their wealth would be invested in Cuba itself rather than leave the island and go to multi-nationals in America. The money made from this measure was primarily spent on a national health system so that all medical treatment was free and on education. Castro also introduced major land reforms.

You guys watch Scar Face?

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
what makes you say that?

i don't know much about Cuba.

and is this a good thing?

Cuba has developed "offensive" biological warfare materials.

[VeriSexy]

Originally posted by KRL
Cuba has about 500 Million barrels of proven Oil reserves. About $20 Billion worth. They produce approaching $1 Billion annually in oil revenues.

How much is the war going to cost? It's not worth it, at least Iraq has trillions worth

[nathan_f]

yeah, i heard they are planning a smooth transition much like iraq.

[<IMX>]

LOL we are the folks who have the embargo against Cuba, the embargo is Castro's big scapegoat...

Bush is just trying to shore up the Cuban vote in Florida.

Originally posted by KRL
Quick, fast op, and totally unexpected. The Cuban people will be dancing in the streets and waving American flags to the site of US soldiers finally freeing them and their economy from Castro's totalitarian regime.

Bye bye Fidel. You heard it first on GFY.



Phase 1 is underway.

[KRL]

Originally posted by GonePhishing
I know you're kidding, but I have to admit our current administration is so stupid that I almost thought you might be serious. You can't put anything at any level of stupidity past the Bush Admin. Them and IIC hosting should get together. They have a lot in common.

Not kidding.


Rumsfeld has indicated military action could happen if Havana has or develops weapons of mass destruction.

Rumsfeld: ``To the extent our country is threatened or our people are threatened, then the president and the government -- thats the first responsibility of government, is to see to the protection and security of our country.''

While there is no specific evidence, the Bush administration said last year that it believed Cuba has ''at least a limited offensive biological warfare'' program and could be sharing its expertise with other countries that are hostile to the United States.

Part of Fidel Castro's speech at Tehran University in Iran, has also been often quoted by critics as proof of ill will toward America: ``The people and the governments of Cuba and Iran can bring the United States to its knees. The U.S. regime is very weak, and we are witnessing this weakness from close up.''

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL
Cuba has developed "offensive" biological warfare materials.

http://www.voanews.com/Editorials/ar...22234A17B47FBB

[crockett]

Originally posted by MrIzzz
theres no oil in cuba, so why would we help them

because we are tired of those fuckers always trying to swim to Florida.. Mexico is next you heard it here first

[Brujah]

Castro says Bush plotting to invade Cuba

Fri, January 30, 2004
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/20...330586-ap.html



HAVANA (AP) - Cuban President Fidel Castro accused President George W. Bush on Friday of plotting with Cuban exiles to kill him and said he would die fighting if the United States ever invaded to oust him.

[Brujah]

US denies any intention to invade Cuba
Sunday, February 22, 2004

HAVANA, Cuba (AFP): The United States took the unusual step of affirming Friday it has no intention of invading Cuba, and said President Fidel Castro's repeated warnings to the contrary were a fabrication aimed at keeping Cubans living in fear.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2004/02/22/invasion.htm

[doober]

Originally posted by Roger
Of course he's joking, an invasion doesn't happen overnight.

or does it

[MattO]

My Cuban-American friends and their families have told me in the past how they would love for such a thing to happen, but aren't holding their breaths.

[roly]

Originally posted by VeriSexy

What should Kennedy do ?

He had already made a major mistake with the Bay of Pigs affair - now he could afford no such errors as the consequences would be disastrous for everyone.

He had essentially five choices............



1 He could do nothing and ignore the missiles. This would have been political suicide and if the Russians had seen this as weakness on his part, they could have taken advantage of it.
2 He could order a full scale military invasion of Cuba. This could lead to heavy US casualties and that would be politically damaging. It would almost certainly involve Russian casualties which could escalate the problem. The American chiefs-of-staff were not convinced that it would be successful either especially as the offending missile bases were in remote areas and most were well inland.
3 He could order an air strike against the missile bases only. The problem again would be Russian casualties and the Air Force was not sure it could deliver pin-point bombing raids on what were relatively small targets.
4 He could call on the Russians to remove the missiles explaining the damage their presence was doing to Russian/American relations. However, the Russians were highly unlikely to listen to a ?polite? request especially as they even refused to recognise the existence of the missiles at the United Nations emergency meeting on the matter.
5 He could put a naval blockade around the island - quarantine it - and not allow any more Russian ships to enter Cuba. This would still leave missiles on Cuba but the negotiations would continue in the background while publically Kennedy would be seen to be doing something specific.

Following American protests, Khruschev, the Russian leader, sent Kennedy two letters both of which sent conflicting messages.

One letter said that the missiles would be withdrawn if Kennedy promised not to invade Cuba.

The other was more threatening claiming that as USA had bases actually in Turkey, why should not the USSR have bases in Cuba especially as the people of Cuba wanted them ? Khruschev said that if USA removed her missiles from Turkey then USSR would remove them from Cuba. These messages left Kennedy confused.

Kennedy decided to act on Khruschev`s first letter and offered the following :

USSR was to remove its missiles from Cuba and USA was to end Cuba`s quarantine and to give out a promise not to invade Cuba.

If the USSR did not respond by October 29th, USA would launch a military invasion of Cuba. On October 28th, Khruschev replied that the USSR would remove the missiles. Within 2 months they were gone. The Cuban Missile Crisis was over but it had taken the world to the brink of nuclear war.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cuba.htm

good article, but...

kennedy secretly agreed with Khruschev that he would remove the missiles from turkey, but didn't want the public to know he was being blackmailed, and he did remove them within a year later i think.

Originally posted by KRL

Cuba has developed "offensive" biological warfare materials.

aren't all biological weapons offensive?

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
http://www.voanews.com/Editorials/ar...22234A17B47FBB

Miami is only 90 miles from Cuba. If these biological warfare reports are true, that's too close for comfort.

[KRL]

Originally posted by Brujah
US denies any intention to invade Cuba
Sunday, February 22, 2004

HAVANA, Cuba (AFP): The United States took the unusual step of affirming Friday it has no intention of invading Cuba, and said President Fidel Castro's repeated warnings to the contrary were a fabrication aimed at keeping Cubans living in fear.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2004/02/22/invasion.htm

Yep, read it.

[Rich]

You guys are nuts if you think Bush has a chance to take over Cuba. Those morons can't even invade a pathetic country like Iraq, they'd be humiliated by Castro. The Cuban people love Castro and would fight for him to the death.

[Rich]

Originally posted by KRL
Cuba has developed "offensive" biological warfare materials.

Well we all know if there's one way to figure out who has WMD, it's by listening to the Bush administrations baseless assumptions.

[borys]

Cuba has developed "offensive" biological warfare materials.

Yeah, they call them "cigars".

[Mr.Fiction]

It would be funny if we went to war with Cuba and Cuba won.

[SleazyDream]

bush needs a new war - election comming - the iraq thing is getting old

[tony286]

cool cheaper cuban cigars lol.

[BVF]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

and is this a good thing?

I'll let you know when you come visit me in my new crib in Havana once that embargo ends.

As soon as the embargo is over, I don't care what I"m doing. I'm gonna drop it and move to cuba

[KRL]

Originally posted by Rich
You guys are nuts if you think Bush has a chance to take over Cuba. Those morons can't even invade a pathetic country like Iraq, they'd be humiliated by Castro. The Cuban people love Castro and would fight for him to the death.

Invading Cuba would guarantee the Cuban vote for Bush to carry Florida, which is a critical state and a lot of electoral votes.

Bullshit, the Cubans have no choice but to love Fidel. Why do you think they try to get the 90 miles to Miami in little boats.

[zzgundamnzz]

Originally posted by torrey
Why does it have to be our job to attempt to liberate??

Cause its our excuse for stealing stuff

(land, natural resources, special items)

thats why

[Manny Z]

Snuff the commie bitch out, already.

Damm, I love this country.

Manny Z

[synergysex]

You have got be kidding me. Bush ought to be run over with a tank. What a fucking idiot.

[reynold]

I hate to say this but that is what US is good at.

[MrIzzz]

Originally posted by KRL
Cuba has about 500 Million barrels of proven Oil reserves. About $20 Billion worth. They produce approaching $1 Billion annually in oil revenues.

ooops, guess i was wrong,

let me rephrase this........

there isn't enough oil in cuba for bush to care

our government does not go into other countries for humanitarian aid, there is always another underlying reason for our actions. number one reason is economic gain

[Fletch XXX]

"you know who i love - nobody
you know who i trust - nobody
you know who i fear - nobody
i prayed a thousand times
he never answered me
do you think i've sinned
in the eyes of the lord
he never did shit for me
i stand alone in this world
trust and faith
so long forgotten
you and i
we are forsaken
just fucking kill me
put me out of this pain."

[Fletch XXX]

"Homicide-Suicide
Hate heals, you should try it sometime
Strive for Peace with acts of war
The beauty of death we all adore
I have no faith distracting me
I know why your prayers will never be answered

God Hates Us All; God Hates Us All
He Fuckin' hates me

Pessimist, Terrorist targeting the next mark
Global chaos feeding on hysteria
Cut throat, slit your wrist, shoot you in the back fair game
Drug abuse, self abuse searching for the next high
Sounds a lot like hell is spreading all the time
I'm waiting for the day the whole world fucking dies

I never said I wanted to be God's disciple
I'll never be the one to blindly follow

Man made virus infecting the world
Self-destruct human time bomb
What if there is no God would you think the fuckin' same
Wasting your life in a leap of blind faith
Wake the fuck up can't ignore what I say
I got my own philosophy

I hate everyone equally
You can't tear that out of me
No segregation -separation
Just me in my world of enemies

I never said I wanted to be God's disciple
I'll never be the one to blindly follow
I'll never be the one to bear the cross-disciple

I reject this fuckin' race
I despise this fuckin' place."

couldnt agree more.

[basschick]

so we don't actually have any reason to believe they have wmd "no specific evidence" points that way. anyway, we already did the cuba thing - it's so 1960's.

attacking a country because they MIGHT have anything is like attacking your next door neighbor because he MIGHT have a gun. if you attack your neighbor, they arrest you. if you start shooting at him, you'll probably go to jail.

Originally posted by KRL
Not kidding.


Rumsfeld has indicated military action could happen if Havana has or develops weapons of mass destruction.

Rumsfeld: ``To the extent our country is threatened or our people are threatened, then the president and the government -- thats the first responsibility of government, is to see to the protection and security of our country.''

While there is no specific evidence, the Bush administration said last year that it believed Cuba has ''at least a limited offensive biological warfare'' program and could be sharing its expertise with other countries that are hostile to the United States.

Part of Fidel Castro's speech at Tehran University in Iran, has also been often quoted by critics as proof of ill will toward America: ``The people and the governments of Cuba and Iran can bring the United States to its knees. The U.S. regime is very weak, and we are witnessing this weakness from close up.''

[<IMX>]

All we need to do is drop the embargo and Castro would be on his way out. We have an antiquated position against Castro's Cuban that dates back to the Cold War.

Castro though is a wiley guy..he is one of the last revolutionaries standing.

The Cuban-American lobby represents the former Cuban hispanic aristocracy...that's why they have such a viseral hatred for Fidel. He kicked them out of their former playground. What makes it funny is Fidel was one of them!

Originally posted by KRL
Invading Cuba would guarantee the Cuban vote for Bush to carry Florida, which is a critical state and a lot of electoral votes.

Bullshit, the Cubans have no choice but to love Fidel. Why do you think they try to get the 90 miles to Miami in little boats.

[KRL]

Originally posted by Manny Z
Snuff the commie bitch out, already.

Damm, I love this country.

Manny Z

Aaahhh that good old American spirit. Let's conquer the world and have everyone live just like us.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by <IMX>
All we need to do is drop the embargo and Castro would be on his way out. We have an antiquated position against Castro's Cuban that dates back to the Cold War.

Castro though is a wiley guy..he is one of the last revolutionaries standing.

The Cuban-American lobby represents the former Cuban hispanic aristocracy...that's why they have such a viseral hatred for Fidel. He kicked them out of their former playground. What makes it funny is Fidel was one of them!

i doubt that. it would most likely solidify his grip just as with Saddam Hussein... because it would be a "victory" against the West and a propaganda gift from God.