OptInRealBig gets wins restraining order against SpamCop - GoFuckYourself.com

goBigtime · 05-12-2004, 09:06 AM

Court stops anti-spam firm from blocking junk email

May 12 2004
by Stefanie Olsen

Victory for the spammers?

A Northern California District Court judge has issued a temporary restraining order to prevent SpamCop, an anti-spam operation, from interfering with messages sent by alleged junk emailer OptInRealBig.com.

Email server company IronPort Systems, owner of SpamCop, filed an appeal this week asking the judge to dissolve the order before the hearing date of 20 May, on the grounds that it breaches first amendment rights and damages the company's operations.

The dispute involves practices of SpamCop, an operator of an anti-spam blocklist that third-parties reference to block bogus mail. SpamCop fields people's complaints about unwanted mail and their senders and uses that information to list the offending internet protocol addresses used to send the messages.

Scott Richter, the self-professed "spam king" and president of email marketing company OptIn, sued IronPort and SpamCop on 29 April for allegedly interfering with his business and causing his internet service providers to block his company's email. He also charged SpamCop with not disclosing the identity of people who complain about its email, thereby aiding potential violations of the Can-Spam Act, which requires the removal of people from future mailings if they so choose.

"This whole system is done in the dark - we don't know who's complaining, what the substance of the complaint is, and there's no opportunity to correct the complaint" to comply with provisions in the Can-Spam Act that require a company to remove people from a mailing list, said Steven Richter, an attorney for OptIn. "We're asking for the right to handle complaints."

The San Francisco court issued a temporary restraining order that prevents SpamCop from transmitting or sending "complaints it forwards to third-parties regarding (OptIn and its subsidiaries, divisions, companies, etc.) to ISPs," according to the filing. It also stops SpamCop from "removing the email addresses from complaints it receives regarding plaintiff."

Representatives for IronPort declined to comment.

Industry analysts expressed concern over the order, even though it does not necessarily indicate how the case will turn out.

"More troubling is what this means for the individuals who submit complaints to SpamCop with the expectation that SpamCop will not reveal their email addresses to the people they are accusing of spamming," said Anne Mitchell, CEO of the think tank Institute for Spam and Internet Public Policy. "This is, after all, a private enterprise, not a branch of the government and certainly not a court of law, and there is no right to confront your accuser in this arena."

OptIn, based in Colorado, is embroiled in numerous lawsuits. In December, software giant Microsoft and the New York State Attorney General's office filed complaints against the company for allegedly sending millions of unsolicited commercial email, specifically to members of Hotmail, Microsoft's free web-based mail service.

Scott Richter and Synergy6, an email marketing company based in New York, were among the defendants named in the six suits. Richter also has been named one of the world's largest spammers by ROKSO, the Register of Known Spam Operations, which is listed on Spamhaus, an anti-spam and consumer advocacy organization.

In an interview, Richter said that OptIn is in settlement talks with Microsoft and the New York office of the attorney general.

He also said that his company is a legitimate commercial email service, in compliance with the Can-Spam Act. He said that the company obtains permission from all the people on its mailing list to send commercial messages, which include low-rate mortgage loans and personal grooming products, and allows those recipients to opt out of future mailings.

Stefanie Olsen hahahahahas for CNET News.com

Source: http://www.silicon.com/research/spec...9120619,00.htm

goBigtime · 05-12-2004, 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime

"This whole system is done in the dark - we don't know who's complaining, what the substance of the complaint is, and there's no opportunity to correct the complaint" to comply with provisions in the Can-Spam Act that require a company to remove people from a mailing list, said Steven Richter, an attorney for OptIn. "We're asking for the right to handle complaints."

I've always hated that about SpamCop... people who have opted in to your list at some point can anonymously report you to spamcop and get you added to blacklists without ever bothering to request to remove themselves from a list they requested to be on in the first place.

For that alone, Spamcop can GFY.

SykkBoy · 05-12-2004, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime
I've always hated that about SpamCop... people who have opted in to your list at some point can anonymously report you to spamcop and get you added to blacklists without ever bothering to request to remove themselves from a list they requested to be on in the first place.

For that alone, Spamcop can GFY.

exactly
just a bunch of internet bullies
I also know of companies who will purposely opt-in to lists and then file spamcop complaints against that (competing) company...

badmrfrosty · 05-12-2004, 09:27 AM

Spamcop are just a bunch of zealots. I work for an ISP, and every time we cross their path they're completely unreasonable. If you ever want a really interesting read, or want to see people illegally harassing people who they think are spammers, check out news.admin.net.abuse.email on usenet (NANAE) those guys in there post pictures of spammers houses, and incite violence against them.

BMF

BradM · 05-12-2004, 09:30 AM

I've had to deal with them in the past, too. I sent some personal emails to prospective clients (1 by 1 from outlook).
I got a spam complaint (fucking morons) and they blacklisted my domain!
1 damn complaint. And they REFUSED to listen to me that it was a personal email.

Anyways spamcop always has and always will be wanker fuck-cock faces.

VicMartin · 05-12-2004, 09:33 AM

I never was a big fan of spamcop anyway.

05-12-2004, 09:06 AM	#1
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	OptInRealBig gets wins restraining order against SpamCop Court stops anti-spam firm from blocking junk email May 12 2004 by Stefanie Olsen Victory for the spammers? A Northern California District Court judge has issued a temporary restraining order to prevent SpamCop, an anti-spam operation, from interfering with messages sent by alleged junk emailer OptInRealBig.com. Email server company IronPort Systems, owner of SpamCop, filed an appeal this week asking the judge to dissolve the order before the hearing date of 20 May, on the grounds that it breaches first amendment rights and damages the company's operations. The dispute involves practices of SpamCop, an operator of an anti-spam blocklist that third-parties reference to block bogus mail. SpamCop fields people's complaints about unwanted mail and their senders and uses that information to list the offending internet protocol addresses used to send the messages. Scott Richter, the self-professed "spam king" and president of email marketing company OptIn, sued IronPort and SpamCop on 29 April for allegedly interfering with his business and causing his internet service providers to block his company's email. He also charged SpamCop with not disclosing the identity of people who complain about its email, thereby aiding potential violations of the Can-Spam Act, which requires the removal of people from future mailings if they so choose. "This whole system is done in the dark - we don't know who's complaining, what the substance of the complaint is, and there's no opportunity to correct the complaint" to comply with provisions in the Can-Spam Act that require a company to remove people from a mailing list, said Steven Richter, an attorney for OptIn. "We're asking for the right to handle complaints." The San Francisco court issued a temporary restraining order that prevents SpamCop from transmitting or sending "complaints it forwards to third-parties regarding (OptIn and its subsidiaries, divisions, companies, etc.) to ISPs," according to the filing. It also stops SpamCop from "removing the email addresses from complaints it receives regarding plaintiff." Representatives for IronPort declined to comment. Industry analysts expressed concern over the order, even though it does not necessarily indicate how the case will turn out. "More troubling is what this means for the individuals who submit complaints to SpamCop with the expectation that SpamCop will not reveal their email addresses to the people they are accusing of spamming," said Anne Mitchell, CEO of the think tank Institute for Spam and Internet Public Policy. "This is, after all, a private enterprise, not a branch of the government and certainly not a court of law, and there is no right to confront your accuser in this arena." OptIn, based in Colorado, is embroiled in numerous lawsuits. In December, software giant Microsoft and the New York State Attorney General's office filed complaints against the company for allegedly sending millions of unsolicited commercial email, specifically to members of Hotmail, Microsoft's free web-based mail service. Scott Richter and Synergy6, an email marketing company based in New York, were among the defendants named in the six suits. Richter also has been named one of the world's largest spammers by ROKSO, the Register of Known Spam Operations, which is listed on Spamhaus, an anti-spam and consumer advocacy organization. In an interview, Richter said that OptIn is in settlement talks with Microsoft and the New York office of the attorney general. He also said that his company is a legitimate commercial email service, in compliance with the Can-Spam Act. He said that the company obtains permission from all the people on its mailing list to send commercial messages, which include low-rate mortgage loans and personal grooming products, and allows those recipients to opt out of future mailings. Stefanie Olsen hahahahahas for CNET News.com Source: http://www.silicon.com/research/spec...9120619,00.htm

05-12-2004, 09:33 AM	#6
VicMartin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 887	I never was a big fan of spamcop anyway. __________________ Winning isn’t everything, but wanting to win is. –Vince Lombardi

05-12-2004, 09:27 AM	#4
badmrfrosty Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 500	Spamcop are just a bunch of zealots. I work for an ISP, and every time we cross their path they're completely unreasonable. If you ever want a really interesting read, or want to see people illegally harassing people who they think are spammers, check out news.admin.net.abuse.email on usenet (NANAE) those guys in there post pictures of spammers houses, and incite violence against them. BMF

05-12-2004, 09:30 AM	#5
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	I've had to deal with them in the past, too. I sent some personal emails to prospective clients (1 by 1 from outlook). I got a spam complaint (fucking morons) and they blacklisted my domain! 1 damn complaint. And they REFUSED to listen to me that it was a personal email. Anyways spamcop always has and always will be wanker fuck-cock faces.