There are stupid webmasters in there

Very true, but there is also a reason they do this:

Coz there are so many losers in this business who get off talking to a hot girl online. They think that if they talk enough and maybe send a signup or two in that pay period and save hard they can fly to a convention and meet her....

All wrong.

I noticed to the couple of conventions I have been to that their are a lot of fucking idiots in our business. In Cancun some people spoke with me and I knew they were full of bullshit. What can you do? Sit and listen? Or tell them to fuck off?

Me personally I would never purposely offend someone, I'll try and be nice and listen but there's only so much bullshit one person can take.

What billing companiies are you talking about? What large hosting companies are you talking about? I am curious

Come on AaronM -

KK, me, Kathi, Peaches, CJ, Sloan, Faye, Lee, Jenna, Aly, Tina, Sarah, Carol, Mary, Karen etc

The list marches on most of us have been in the business for over 5 years.... some of us for 10 years + We have been doing business not just being eye candy from the beginning. Are you saying that you have never done a successful business deal with any one of us?


KK - epassporte before that CCbill
Kathi - National Net
Peaches - Weg and WTS
Faye - Cybernet Expo
Aly - Python
Tina - Video Secrets

Enough of a resume?
Lets talk reality......

Kathi from National Net isnt in sales.

Gee you might want to let her know because I'm just about to buy a server from her.

Sales is not her title I forgot now what is it was. You have a real bite to your words, were you the pissed off looking brunette with the blonde girl?

Sure she is. Not on paper maybe, but her presence is most certainly "selling" National Net :)

Are you referring to my game face or the point when I was done dealing with the wanna be's

Thank you when you work for a single owner company everyone job at the end of the day is selling .

Its very true babe. We are women seirous about sales..not just eye candy. Tell these people who are saying "ban women" to F*** off. They obviosly have no idea what they are talking about.

AaronM it saddens me to think that you would use a woman's attractiveness against her.
Yeah, some programs do hire women just for the eye candy factor, but who is responsible for that? The man that hired her, that's who- he thinks so little of his customers that he believes their business practices can be swayed by a pair of tits. Shame!

There are plenty of hardworking & successful women in this industry, who manage to succeed regardless of their aesthetic 'value'. Not all of the women in the business work for others either. Some of us actually do the hiring

As one of these successful women, I have no time for bimbos, nor the people who try to thrust them upon me. Don't you guys DARE try to lump all women in this industry together. We work harder, smarter, with more ethics and less bullshit.

LOL, true :)

Your game face is to look miserable. What sales books did you read ? lol I wanted to introduce ourselves but was afraid you would bite my head off. I learned in business you treat everyone nice because today's nobody is tomorrow's somebody.

Very well said. (although, I don't think he meant to group all of us together)

I also was looking for you on my ICQ but you have disappeared. We are doing another party this summer and seeing how the Montreal show is postponed we will be doing it again in Toronto =) We enjoyed having you the last time and would like to have you again!

Maybe the first guy who mentioned "no girls" was talking about the girls hired to climb all over each other and sign autographs.

My complaint about Internext is that I'm tired of companies promoting programs that aren't even ready. When I get the information and I'm ready to promote, I want the program to actually exist. I live in Las Vegas, so when I find something at the convention that I like, I want to be able to drive back home and work on it that day. I don't go the parties, as I have no desire to get drunk with anyone. This is all about business for me.

Signed,

A Girl

Sure- I'd love to sponsor again too

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see boys- sometimes the girls control the checkbook!

People are shallow. You have been in this business for 5 years and I don't have a fucking clue who you are so perhaps I am just as shallow as the next guy. It's human nature for the attractive people's names and faces to stick with you. I may know you but I don't know you by the screen name you are posting under.

If people do not have their looks to go by then they must rely on other traits.

7 of the 15 people on that list I can not match a face and/or company to their names.

Politically right or wrong...It is fact.

I just met Sarah from Slickcash and Erin from AEBN for the first time. Both of them are cute and I will not soon forget them.

Wonderful, it's a date. I had you in my ICQ already under your ICQ user name. ;)

How dare you suggest that I am doing any such thing.

If you can not accept reality for what it is then go ahead and pull the wool a bit further over your eyes.

I NEVER said that I agree with these practices...I simply said that these things are done.

I could post ICQ logs all day long from various companies who have come to me and asked if I knew of any good looking ladies who were looking for rep jobs. I happen to have a very good friend who has been passed up because her look is more alternative than the next.

Don't come into this thread and judge me for posting reality. I am short, fat, bald, and ugly but I still know how to market myself and my businesses. I know reality.

End of June would be perfect if you're asking. I'm coming down to shoot Prideweek anyway.

My post wasnt entirely directed specifically at you- I apologize for that.

It really is frustrating to constantly be presumed to be an airhead, or worse- content. I cant tell you how many of the 'professional' male webmasters ask for pics within minutes of an icq introduction. We must constantly double check everything that we do & say, lest our credibility be undermined by a skirt that's a little too short.

Bimbos SHOULD be banned from the shows, not because they are stupid, but because they make the men stupid. As is the essence of this business, men are easily manipulated.

I met several good people at this show, and I think that these smaller shows do a decent job of WEEDing out the bullshit. like you say, going to shows is not cheap, and if it is done solely as an entertainment pourpous and that is the only desired goal . then by attending these shows you are wasting time and money:2 cents: (both yours, and the sponsors, and the person whom you may be talking with that is there to do some biz)

with that said, I agree that shows do have some people there that could care less about doing any business at all. they are just there for the free booze, and hoping to see some upskirts, that they can take pics of to make them selves look bigger than they really are. Hoewever most of these people are discovered in time anyway.

I've been going to these things since before 99% of you even know the adult internet existed. With that said my outlook on any adult webmaster gathering is to go there, party like a motherfucker, be cool to people, feel out other people (see if they are cool, skeezy, bullshitters, shittalkers, etc)...


WHEN YOU GET BACK FROM THE CONVENTION you will know who is cool to do biz with and who you think are schmucks... You will usually know this after looking someone in the eye, or seeing their true colors.

It's all about AFTER the convention... Nobody wants to solidify big deals when they're all coked up in a stripclub, wait till they're back at home in work mode. Leave a good impression with them and they'll remember who you are.

Yes I am sorry I was a bit of an ass !
I appologize for my brevity, and will strive to be more open to meeting new people.

Dayum.

This thread sure took a different path from where it started..

:(

I just read the whole thing..

Can someone pass me a valium.

I have a headache...

:helpme

Amen :)

me too

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You did tell me that and I appreciated you being straight up.......
But, I was introducing myself and you cut me off before I had a chance to ask about your site and maybe using it in my members area.
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Also when I told ya I was not interested you did not continue to push and push and ask for traffic and so forth. The one thing that bumms me out more than anythign at shows is people who come up to you try to sell ya something and you say no does not work for me then they say send me traffic. And i say give me money and they look at you like your nuts. A lot of people think you should give them free traffic to help them get started in the BIZ.

I thank you for not being one of those pushy people :)
And now I am gonna go look at your site and see if we can do some biz together.

You must still be drunk and stoned from the Atlanta event.

You think those women "run" those companies?

Nothing against the women in this industry but your perception of who really runs the large affiliate programs, hosting cos, billing co.s is far from reality.

and that means they "run the company?" Work for, and run are two different things

Well we can get together that week as well. However, I was thinking along the lines of the 10th weekend, the same weekend the show was scheduled for as there are plenty of people still interested in coming for that weekend =)

Hi gang~

After reading the rhetoric here about women running vs. owning, blah blah blah, how about we stop takeing this so seriously. We look at SEX and peddle SEX all day...helllllllloooooooooo..male female, happy, sad, intimidated, not intimidated...blah blah blah...
Society is what it is and accpeting the business practices of the boys club needs to be done. We can be beautiful and freindly, and actually get work done. Aaron, i extend my hand and introduce myself...Jodi "sex Kitten" from Azure....nice to meet you and now I will make sure at the next event I will actually have a conversation/drink/etc.....

:::peace::::

Cant we all just get along?????

Thats funny when someone who works with you started the rhetoric. I wish we had met you but I was afraid of your coworker lol.

Aaron, good thread you started bro. First let me say it was great seeing you again. You and I don't do biz together yet have no problems being friends, sharing knowledge and having good meals together without any of the fake lies and BS that goes on with many people like you stated in this thread. Anyway, I'll keep on reading, and you always know where to find me when and if you ever need me, (friends will always be there for friends).:)

I have been thinking , the way the business is set up encourages bs . People dont use their real names and dont want anyone to know them . I was talking to someone reccomended asking for id on everyone thru the door at conventions and they said alot of people wont like that , they would have to let people know who they really are. Until the business grows up like real names and phone numbers I think the bullshit will be the norm.