Strange info emerging about Berg killing

Originally posted by HighOnAcid
What's so strange about that?

Originally posted by chupacabra
another victim of *operation meat shield*..

Originally posted by Global Dialers
operation meat cleaver dont you mean ;)

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by kmanrox
you queens are funny

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
This is how it is all beginning to look.

Scary indeed.

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Oh, and it makes perfect sense that a JEWISH white man would be wandering around Iraq looking for business?

Missing for a month and just reported on the 7th of May? Two weeks of Gestapo questioning. Pretty strange.

Why did it just "happen" to be a guy who was held for 2 weeks by the Americans....

Originally posted by unconnected
I was going to say that this video sure did come up rather coincidentally with the abuse allegations.. Sure is a great way to take the heat off of bush's back..
but even if it is true, there are far too many pro-war, gotta kill me some *insert clever and witty racial slur of your choosing here* as they can't be trusted and should all die, kind of people filling the USA to the brim for it to make any difference at all in the minds of the general public

Originally posted by samuel
I agree with you, this could be a coincidence with abuse allegations...

Samuel

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by KRL
If you look at the history of the US Government, especially our powerful intelligence agencies, and military industrial sector, they have shown over and over that they think they can operate above the law.

Anything is possible with these guys. If you doubt that just do some research.

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by Buff
What the fuck????

Get your prescription renewed asap, lunatic.

Originally posted by Sambo
I dont think it is a conspiracy.....

BUT..... if it comes out later that it was CIA, then I wont be surprised

In fact I dont think anything will surprise me again!!

In the Philippines

In the late 1980s, the CIA assigned Vietnam veteran U.S. General John Singlaub to organize anti-communist vigilante groups all over the country for mass terror, particularly as part of the Philippine government's "total war policy" against people's movements. General Singlaub posed as an American "treasure hunter" and even secured all the necessary official permits for treasure hunting in the Philippines. Another operative active in the "total war" operations in the Philippines was Vietnam counterinsurgency specialist Col. James Rowe, Joint US Military Advisory Group (JUSMAG) adviser, whose cover was blown off when he was ambushed in 1989 by urban guerrillas of the New People's Army in Timog Avenue, Quezon City. Rowe was clandestinely involved in the organization of anti-communist death squads like Alsa Masa and vigilante groups patterned after "Operation Phoenix" in Vietnam which had the objective of eliminating legal and semi-legal mass activists and their political sympathizers that constituted the political infrastructure of the insurgency movement.

Before this, the CIA had made every effort to assure the defeat of Recto in the 1957 presidential election wherein the CIA manufactured and distributed defective condoms with a label that said, "Courtesy of Claro M. Recto--the People's Friend." Could it be that Recto was a victim of the CIA's covert operations, or what they call "executive action" against those perceived as dangerous enemies of the United States?

Originally posted by directfiesta
Everything is possible, even Berg could have been MOSSAD....

Originally posted by xenophobic
Yes, he could also have been a twenty six year old, who wandered around in a war zone, and got taken hostage by people affiliated to Al-Quada.

U.S. Special Forces Take On Larger Role
Christian Science Monitor
March 11, 2004


WASHINGTON - Leading a group of Navy SEALs on raids in Baghdad's maze of maze of neighborhoods, Lt. Cmdr. Jamie Cartwright turned up tatooed members of Saddam Fedayeen, Palestinian terrorists, and makers of fake passports.

Over 300 combat missions in six months, he also discovered something about his own men.

Specialized in raids to kill or capture most-wanted leaders, the SEALs proved very adept at a softer but equally essential skill: gathering intelligence.

Young SEALs would "jump in the back [of helicopters] ... to photograph the targets" and sleuth out street-level sources, he says. After a raid, they scoured houses for hahahahahahahahas, cell- phones, and other tips that could lead to quick, follow-on action.

"The guys got really good at searching these homes," said LCDR Cartwright of SEAL Team 5, noting that his men had from two days to as little as 20 minutes to prepare a mission.

As the Pentagon's lead troops in the war on terrorism, elite U.S. Special Operations Forces (SOF) are taking on a far more robust and independent role in intelligence and undercover operations as their numbers, deployments, and funding grow at an unprecedented rate.

Indeed, some senior military officers are calling for a transformation of the 49,000-strong force around the imperative for a new, secretive, and ethnically diverse intelligence cadre capable of tracking down sophisticated terrorist networks such as Al Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden. "A robust cadre of humint [human intelligence] forces organic to SOF [Special Operations Forces] would give us perhaps the most important aspect of operations-intelligence fusion that one could get in the field, in direct support of counterterror," says Lt. Gen. Norton Schwartz, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Yet the shift is also stirring controversy over what some military analysts view as the potential pitfalls of blurring the traditional line between Special Operations and the CIA, especially in the realm of covert action.

Today, the Special Operations Command (SOCOM) is already exercising unprecedented authority under Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to lead the U.S. military's fight against terrorism. The war in Iraq has seen the largest Special Operations deployment since Vietnam, with more than 80 percent of its deployed forces now in the Central Command area (the Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa.)

Given the biggest budget increase in its history, SOCOM's funding is projected to increase over the 2003 level by 20 percent per year for the next five years, as it adds 4,000 people to its ranks and dozens of new helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft. The personnel increase will include Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces (also known as Green Berets) and Civil Affairs soldiers, and a new 85-man Marine Special Operations unit, Det 1, which is preparing to deploy to Iraq in April.

As part of this growth, the command, based in Tampa, Fla., is carving out a new niche by expanding its intelligence capabilities across the board. It is adding 700 people to its U.S. and overseas regional headquarters to analyze intelligence - gathered by its own forces as well as by CIA agents, spy satellites, and other means - and to plan Special Operations-led missions with an emphasis on agile responses to short-term intelligence.

The nexus of the effort is a new Center for Special Operations, a "warfighting hub" with sole responsibility for "planning, supporting, and executing Special Operations in the war on terrorism," says SOCOM's commander, Gen. Bryan "Doug" Brown. If ordered by the president or Defense secretary, SOCOM's beefed-up headquarters now allows it to reverse roles and direct operations anywhere in the world supported by U.S. regional commanders - instead of supplying forces to serve under them. New intelligence channels

Another way Special Operations leaders are boosting their intelligence capabilities is by leveraging ties with foreign counterparts. For the first time, coalition partners from "several" countries are stationed at SOCOM headquarters, General Brown says.

Intelligence-sharing agreements are also in the works between the Pentagon and close allies, says Thomas O'Connell, assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict. "We are pushing very hard ... starting with the UK, Australia, and others, to get them access to the Sipernet [classified Internet], break down these barriers, and we will start seeing the type of access and exchange that we need."

With U.S. and foreign Special Operations Forces together in combat, restrictions on information sharing such as the "NOFORN" [no foreigner] classification cease to make sense, defense officials say. "You have this goofy warning on intelligence that says 'NOFORN' that I think is sometimes overused," says Mr. O'Connell. "If someone is fighting and dying with you, at that particular time you don't consider them a foreigner. You consider them a very close ally."

Meanwhile, in coming years larger numbers of U.S. Special Operations Forces will be based overseas for longer rotations, to strengthen bonds with foreign counterparts and gain local access. All these initiatives will build upon the street-level intelligence-gathering skills that elite forces are already demonstrating in Iraq and Afghanistan, military officials say. In Iraq, for example, such troops are generating their own intelligence by going to prisons, interrogating detainees, linking events across zones controlled by different military units - without necessarily relying on CIA spy satellites or other intelligence information.

"They've developed their own intelligence networks. They've gone out, they've grabbed people, and they've effectively shut down a tremendous portion of the problem that exists today," says O'Connell. "Each action often results in additional intelligence ... what I personally call a bounce," he says. "If you hit him in a certain way, something develops from that hit."

Bolstering this independent ability of Special Operations Forces to gather human intelligence may be as vital to defeating terrorists as are combat skills. "This community needs to morph ... and become less kinetic, more nuanced, more collector," General Schwartz, a former SOCOM deputy commander, told a Special Operations gathering last month. He outlined an idea for a future "black," or covert, Special Operations intelligence cadre with cultural and language skills that could operate in disguise. "We need to look more like them than we do like us," he said, speaking of terrorist networks.

Such a force would not conflict with today's unprecedented cooperation between Special Operations Forces and CIA operatives, say military and defense officials.

"Regarding the interaction between CIA and SOF, I would say, one, there is enough work for everybody," O'Connell said in an interview. "Two, I don't think the relationship between the CIA and Special Operations Forces has ever been closer, and, three, both have their own distinct role. The CIA can certainly provide many considerable advantages to SOF, but their primary mission is still to recruit spies, and SOF is much larger than the CIA." Blurred roles

Still, some military officers and analysts raise concerns about a blurring of roles between the CIA and Special Operations. "The new and apparently ad hoc policy of integrating [SOF and CIA] operations together in combat" has "eroded distinctions between SOF and the CIA," hahahahahas Army Col. Kathryn Stone in a research paper published last July.

Specifically, the participation of Special Operations Forces in covert action carries several risks: Such forces, if captured, would lose their Geneva Convention protections that govern conduct in war. Such actions could also alienate foreign governments and prompt them to use soldiers to conduct covert activity against the U.S.. Then, too, traditional military activities are not subject to congressional oversight the way CIA covert action is, notes Jennifer Kibbe, a fellow at the Brookings Institution here who explored the problem this month in a Foreign Affairs article, "Rise of the Shadow Warriors."

In response, Defense officials acknowledge the possible loss of Geneva Convention protections, but assert that few of America's adversaries honor the statues. The need for Special Operations Forces to work undercover outweighs the risks, they say. "For those who were questioning our ability to do that [operate under cover], and there was some talk that they would take that away, it's not going to happen on my watch," O'Connell says.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...031104,00.html

Originally posted by directfiesta
Yes, he could. But not very smart then, since according to the news, he hadn't really found any work for himself ( self-employed).
Ang got interrogated by the FBI while in captivity ... weird no?

If smart, you go for Halliburton ( pay + security) or the private gards companies...

Meanwhile, his family will have to live with this horrible death.

FYI, special forces in Iraq( source should be credible to you...)

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Originally posted by sexcam
BAGHDAD (AP) ? An American civilian who was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaeda-linked Web site was never in U.S. custody despite claims from his family, a coalition spokesman said Wednesday.