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Fletch XXX · 05-12-2004, 12:22 PM

"FBI agents visited Berg's parents in West Chester on March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity."

of all sources: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119734,00.html

but they of course would have had to find him out on the ground, so chances are he was detained, why else would the FBI be "trying to confirm his identity?"

they released him only after his parents filed a lawsuit.

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
"FBI agents visited Berg's parents in West Chester on March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity."

of all sources: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119734,00.html

but they of course would have had to find him out on the ground, so chances are he was detained, why else would the FBI be "trying to confirm his identity?"

they released him only after his parents filed a lawsuit.

Maybe because he was an American in a warzone, who did not appear to have any reason to be there (contract wise) and wanted them to confirm he was there son?
I don't think it is unusal for him to have been interviewed by the F.B.I

titmowse · 05-12-2004, 12:43 PM

so the FBI holds him and then when his parents get him released it's, "see you later sucker. you're on your own".

nice

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse
so the FBI holds him and then when his parents get him released it's, "see you later sucker. you're on your own".

nice

I don't know, not enough information at this point, I would have thought the U.S state department would have arranged for his safe passage home, however without even knowing if that happened, you couldn't force him to do so.

dirtysouth · 05-12-2004, 12:45 PM

I heard there was an 11 hour delay between the time they finished reading their statement and the actual beheading.

Furious_Male · 05-12-2004, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse
so the FBI holds him and then when his parents get him released it's, "see you later sucker. you're on your own".

nice

He was on his own regardless. He went there on his own. Very high risk work he was doing in a volatile area.

Where the FBI released him could be worth looking into but the act of releasing him to be "on his own" is not wrong. He was already on his own.

Mr.Fiction · 05-12-2004, 12:53 PM

Berg was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24. He was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days, the family said.

Senor said that to his knowledge Berg "was at no time under the jurisdiction or detention of coalition forces."

Michael Berg told The Associated Press, however, that U.S. officials were "playing word games."

"The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do. The FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they're kidding?" the elder Berg said.

The Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day, Berg was released.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...e_mi_ea/iraq_2

There is a lot more to this story than we are being told.

Centurion · 05-12-2004, 12:56 PM

Conspiracy? I realy don't know.

But these are desperate times for the Bush administration and the neo-cons. So, these days nothing would suprise me.

There is one interesting thing that no one has mentioned yet and that besides his family, he was never reported missing in Iraq.

While they daily brief you about kidnappings and disappearances of troops and civilians, this guy was never actually reported missing.

The media speculated he was grabbed on April 9th when a convoy of civilian and military personnel were attacked.

YET..his name was not on that list as one of the missing in regards to this attack.

Furious_Male · 05-12-2004, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
Conspiracy? I realy don't know.

But these are desperate times for the Bush administration and the neo-cons. So, these days nothing would suprise me.

There is one interesting thing that no one has mentioned yet and that besides his family, he was never reported missing in Iraq.

While they daily brief you about kidnappings and disappearances of troops and civilians, this guy was never actually reported missing.

The media speculated he was grabbed on April 9th when a convoy of civilian and military personnel were attacked.

YET..his name was not on that list as one of the missing in regards to this attack.

You have to remember he was there on his own. Most of the people reported missing are contractors and are on the record as being in Iraq. The reason the FBI was questioning him was because they had no idea what his business was there.

It would be easy for a nomad like that to slip through the cracks. He was treading in dangerous waters trying to make a buck. I am suprised he didn't bring anyone with him from the states. Did he do all the work himself or with crews in Iraq. Weird.

RicardoB · 05-12-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

It would not suprise me at all.

05-12-2004, 01:09 PM

strange...

bizmak · 05-12-2004, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

Very scary indeed.

cspdinc · 05-12-2004, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

(what he said originally...)

when you watch the video very close, (I broke it down in one of my editing programs there is a very clear distinct cut/splice a second or so before the beheading.. the scream begin out of context with the imagery, and the time code jumps BACKWARDS and then runs back up over itself again. a clear case of reworking- rewind- reshooting.

If it werent for the discovered body I wouild have said it was a fake, a plant.. plain and simple.

somethings not right.

Centurion · 05-12-2004, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cspdinc
(what he said originally...)

when you watch the video very close, (I broke it down in one of my editing programs there is a very clear distinct cut/splice a second or so before the beheading.. the scream begin out of context with the imagery, and the time code jumps BACKWARDS and then runs back up over itself again. a clear case of reworking- rewind- reshooting.

If it werent for the discovered body I wouild have said it was a fake, a plant.. plain and simple.

somethings not right.

Oh no..you had to go and find that!
Sheet..now you have me wondering!

sean416 · 05-12-2004, 02:18 PM

I cant beleive some of you think the conspiracy theory is impossible. You have someone who is desperate to win re-election... he's losing popularity among voters.. and knows exactly what to do and how to get away with it.. Theres no big suprise that he'd go through with it.

dirtysouth · 05-12-2004, 02:46 PM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts

Go here and search for Michael Berg (dudes dad). He signed the petition. He also listed his son's company as one of his employers. Probably nothing but interesting.

Bansheelinks · 05-12-2004, 02:53 PM

You guys are beyond pathetic. You are no better than Rush Limbaugh when he was insinuating foul play in the Whitehouse when Clinton was in over Vince Foster's suicide.

You guys are on the Planet Loon.

MattK · 05-12-2004, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

I'm not sure I believe this conspiracy theroy, but here is a good one most people have not heard of that is backed up by pages of research and facts:

PEARL HARBOR - MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES

crowkid · 05-12-2004, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdld
the only ones to blame here are the murderers, and no one else.

Yea and any coward in here that says otherwise is just as barbaric as the murderers.......

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
Oh no..you had to go and find that!
Sheet..now you have me wondering!

I've seen other wmv's where the audio/movie seems completely out of sync, if you look at the quality of the movie, they're evidently not using a digital recorder, it could have been external microphone, or some other old technology.

69pornlinks · 05-12-2004, 03:05 PM

no more poli posting.........

directfiesta · 05-12-2004, 03:28 PM

Prometheus Methods Tower Service is the company of the Berg family ( Michael the Father and Nick).

This company is part of the signatures AGAINST the Iraq war and in favor of the return of the troops home:

Quote:

MARCH 20, 2004

GLOBAL DAY OF ACTION
on the FIRST ANNIVERSARY of the U.S. BOMBING and INVASION of IRAQ

Bring the troops home now!

End colonial occupation from Iraq to Palestine and everywhere!

Money for jobs, education, healthcare and housing - Not war!
Stop the attacks on civil rights and civil liberties!
Madison Square Park (Madison Ave. & 23rd St.) in New York City, Dolores Park in San Francisco, Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles, Michigan & Pearson in Chicago, and in cities across the U.S.

Call to Action

As of Saturday, February 28, the March 20 Call to Action has received over 2,000 endorsements. Below is a partial listing. Click here to endorse.

Call signed by (partial listing):

A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism) Coalition
Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition
Arab Muslim American Federation
Free Palestine Alliance

.......

John Womack, Jr., Professor, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA
Fredrick Blum, Professor, Chicago State University, IL
Michael J. Gent, Professor, Canisius College, Buffalo, NY
Joyce Miller, Professor, City University of New York

Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc. West Chester, PA,
Kathryn Myers, Teacher, Cuesta College, Paso Robles, CA
Marc Pilisuk, Professor, Saybrook Graduate School, Berkeley, CA
Robert Schlagal, Professor, Appalachian State University, Boone, NC
Gary Bodwin, Teacher, Kenwood Elementary School, CA

and it goes on....

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:...+Service&hl=en

Maybe this explain why he was held for 13 days by US agencies, and then sent on his own ....

Timing is really great, like a gift from GOD to Bush....

directfiesta · 05-12-2004, 03:46 PM

and:

Quote:

The January e-mails, in what now seem to be chilling references, also describe Nicholas Berg's work near the Abu Ghraib prison - ``a notorious prison for Army and political prisoners,'' he wrote - and his brief detention by Iraqi police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...083721,00.html

Supposively, January trip was just scouting for jobs... Oh well, this is not so clear... Of all places, look were he was!

McKracken · 05-12-2004, 05:05 PM

fox mulder told me it's a fake killing!

X

Webby · 05-12-2004, 05:53 PM

I smell another load of "words" like those spewed out by Rumsfeld as an "answer" when he is asked a direct yes-no question.

"He was not in the custody of the US"

Does that mean he was not physically "in" the US - that he was in the custody of "others" over whom the US has control - or that he was in the custody of the US, but in Iraq

They could not make up their mind what day it is without a full discussion of the "possibilities" it is Wednesday - but that would be "classified" anyway!

sixone · 05-12-2004, 05:58 PM

First this and now the damned aliens.

AvanteGuard · 05-12-2004, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
its worded very well.

I think they are trying to say not in "US Coalition Forces Custody" - they believe the FBI had him in custody, at least thats what it seems when they start mixing it up.

I noticed it was the FBI who had him and not the Army.

I didn't read it but why would the FBI be investiagting? Isn't the FBI mainly domestic and CIA abroad?

Chichio · 05-12-2004, 06:49 PM

I'm not convinced it was anything more than a horrible act by animals yet but... something else that is weird:

He said he was going to make his way home and he knew that things were getting hot, but he didn't want to take a U.S. government chartered flight home because he thought the road to the airport was too dangerous. Now I have no idea what the situation is there, but if I needed to get out of Iraq I would want the American government's help doing so. I can't possibly believe that going it alone is the safer way to get out... Seems weird.

Also, this guy was a savvy traveler. He spent time in Africa teaching the people there to build houses using bricks made of local materials. After being picked up more than 3 times, why would he continue to put himself right in the middle of the chaos knowing that he?s an unprotected Jewish American? That seems incredibly illogical.

chodadog · 05-12-2004, 07:08 PM

I think the US would be capable of setting up something like this. Did they do it this time, though? I don't know. Just because it's possible though, doesn't mean i'm going to jump to the conclusion and say yes, it happened.

I think you people are jumping the gun big time. I'm thinking it wasn't the US that organized this.

dirtysouth · 05-12-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
Prometheus Methods Tower Service is the company of the Berg family ( Michael the Father and Nick).

This company is part of the signatures AGAINST the Iraq war and in favor of the return of the troops home:

Maybe this explain why he was held for 13 days by US agencies, and then sent on his own ....

Timing is really great, like a gift from GOD to Bush....

Look up 5 posts.

I feel ya!

xenophobic · 05-12-2004, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AvanteGuard
I didn't read it but why would the FBI be investiagting? Isn't the FBI mainly domestic and CIA abroad?

one is criminal, one is intelligence, there is nothing odd about the F.B.I doing investigations abroad, they investigated the bombing of the U.S.S Cole in Yemen, they also interviewed John Walker Lindh in camp Rhino, Afghanistan.

cosis · 05-12-2004, 08:09 PM

US knows exactly how to play the game, now the Iraq prison abuse looks like pancakes compared to getting your head sawed off

WarChild · 05-12-2004, 08:14 PM

My main problem with people ready to scream conspiracy over almost anything, is the nature of people themselves.

We all know how well people keep secrets. Not very well at all. You'd think with the number of conspiracies people are willing to believe as fact, SOMEONE somewhere would have leaked out actual proof.

No, people claim George Bush planned and hahahahahahahad 911, they claim Pearl Harbour was a conspiracy .. And blah blah blah.

The only problem is, there's no proof. Just a bunch of theory.

Is the US goverment capable of conspiracy? Absolutely! It doesn't make everything that happens a conspiracy though.

bhutocracy · 05-12-2004, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenophobic

He made some bad choices for sure, but I personally don't think the C.I.A is sawing people's heads off to take the heat of the Iraqi prison photo's?

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they did.. not in the least, but I think in this occasion the cigar is just a cigar.
It's far more feasible that kidnap-happy and bloodthirsty terrorists kidnapped and killed a civilian they found in retaliation for the prisoner abuse or just for kicks - it's what they do... It wouldn't take a CIA plan to make it happen..
who knows maybe it wasn't as planned.. maybe they dropped him off in the middle of fallujah or something and "hoped for the worst".
But in this case i'd be 90% sure it's Al Quaeda being Al Quaeda.
They benefit as well, don't forget thay want the US to be pissed off as well, they want more iraqi civilians to die at the hands of pissed off marines. It all helps their recruitment.. the only loser out of Iraq, Al Queada and Bush in this scenario is Iraq.
I'd bet Al Quaeda wants Bush to win the next election.. it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, Bush gets his bogeyman to take attention of his domestic shortcomings and AlQuaeda get their bogeyman to boost membership, they need a short sighted idiot stumbling through the ME knocking things over and pissing off the locals, if everything was hunky dory there would be any need to run around with a pound of TNT up your ass.

KC · 05-12-2004, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I fear the very worst here.

I think we just witnessed a splanned and coordinated sacrificial lamb setup by the US to take attention off of the US attrocities.

Fuck, now that is very very scary if that is indeed what went down here.

No way, That's ridiculous. GW Bush and Rumsfeld have nothing to gain by that video coming out.

I think this video demonstrates how the acts of the US soldiers, that were abusing Iraqi soldiers, has put the rest of the US military and even Civilians in even greater danger than before.

I would honestly like to see the US military take the heads of those soldiers that disgraced our whole country by acting like jackasses mistreating prisoners.

It will take more than a generation to undo the damage a handful of US soldiers did by abusing Iraqi soldiers on camera.

I don't understand how there can be a conspiracy theory about this. It doesn't make sense at all.

KC · 05-12-2004, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
Timing is really great, like a gift from GOD to Bush....

How is it a gift? It makes the Iraq war look like an even bigger debacle than it already was. Bush has nothing to gain by a public decapitation.

KC · 05-12-2004, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dirtysouth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts

Go here and search for Michael Berg (dudes dad). He signed the petition. He also listed his son's company as one of his employers. Probably nothing but interesting.

Who cares who signs a petition?

Has anyone else on that petition showed up dead? Has anyone on that list been publicly hahahahahahahad at the hands of "Iraqi Rebels"?

I know you said it was probably nothing, I agree with that statement completely.

newsdude · 05-12-2004, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cosis
US knows exactly how to play the game, now the Iraq prison abuse looks like pancakes compared to getting your head sawed off

Exactly! Which makes you wonder how sure are you that those are Iraqis behind the hoods and not staged by fellow Americans so that all the brutalities they've done will fade in the shadows.

SuckOnThis · 05-12-2004, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC
No way, That's ridiculous. GW Bush and Rumsfeld have nothing to gain by that video coming out.

("Typical American") "OMG, they cut that poor man's head off! Those terrorist bastards! Who cares about those "frat prank" pictures? The terrorist are savages! We must have revenge! Kill! Kill! Kill! This just shows what they are capable of...first 9-11 now this!"

WarChild · 05-12-2004, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
("Typical American") "OMG, they cut that poor man's head off! Those terrorist bastards! Who cares about those "frat prank" pictures? The terrorist are savages! We must have revenge! Kill! Kill! Kill! This just shows what they are capable of...first 9-11 now this!"

The latest polls show that the American public, by a margin of 2-1, do NOT hold George Bush or even Donald Rumsfeld responsible personally for the prisoner abuses. Only Americans can vote, so as far as re-election goes .. Doesn't much matter what the rest of the world thinks.

This beheading is not going to save anybody in the millitary from being punished. And by all accounts, the very top brass doesn't NEED saving from this particular scandal.

SuckOnThis · 05-12-2004, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WarChild
The latest polls show that the American public, by a margin of 2-1, do NOT hold George Bush or even Donald Rumsfeld responsible personally for the prisoner abuses. Only Americans can vote, so as far as re-election goes .. Doesn't much matter what the rest of the world thinks.

This beheading is not going to save anybody in the millitary from being punished. And by all accounts, the very top brass doesn't NEED saving from this particular scandal.

Okay, then tell me why you think the US denied ever having him in custody? And why was he still in an orange prison jumpsuit?

I think the most likely scenerio is for whatever reason the government wanted to get rid of him and made it possible for him to be captured.

Here is an interesting email from
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/grou.../message/19463

From: "oldtowerguy" <oldtowerguy@y...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2004 12:49 pm
Subject: About Nick Berg

Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:35:16 -0400
From: "Mark Humphrey" <mark@y...>
Subject: Remembering Nick (was Why was Nick in Iraq?)

The tragic news about Nick Berg's murder hit very close to home, as I
had known him for about two years and we hired him for several
recent projects -- in fact, he installed an auxiliary antenna for WPLY in
February, just before heading back to Iraq. Perhaps I can shed some
light on this situation.

<snip>

Why did he go to Iraq?

He was aware that some towers were damaged last year during bombing
missions, and many more had been looted... copper lines removed,
diagonal members taken out, etc. Few obstruction lighting systems
were functional -- he mentioned an 800 foot tower two miles from an
airport (used by our military) that was totally dark. So he first went over
in December to see if he could help to assist in the reconstruction,
restore Iraq's broadcast services, and repair the serious structural
damage that endangered the lives of their citizens.

I received the following email message from Nick in early January:

>About Iraq-

>I am taking photos - where allowed. It's actually pretty sad - I just
>got off one of two 320 meter monster towers in Abu Gharib (also home
>to the main political prison) which use to support most of Baghdad
>area's VHF and UHF.
>Both have been badly looted, including 4000 feet or more of flexible
>6-1/8" heliax, two full 12X4 panel TV antennas, and even some
>structural members. I was also in the North as I mentioned, but here there
>wasn't as much damage. I'll definitely share some of these pix with
>you and others next time I'm in the area - I'd love to put together a
>little presentation for SBE or PAB in about six monthes after I've
>been on every site and fixed some of them.

He returned to Philadelphia in late January to catch up on some
domestic business -- then in early February, tackled an antenna
replacement job at our aux site, which he had quoted last summer.

<snip>

If you've been following all sides of this story, you may have read
that his parents did not receive much cooperation from <b>OUR Federal
Government</b> when trying to learn his whereabouts, which is very
disturbing. He had reportedly booked a March 30 flight back to New
York, but missed it because he had been detained by our military.
<b>Today's "spin" on the story is that they told him to get out, but I'm
not buying that.</b>

Let's keep his family in our thoughts and prayers. Our industry (and
humanity) has lost a very fine person.

Mark

05-12-2004, 12:22 PM	#51
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	"FBI agents visited Berg's parents in West Chester on March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity." of all sources: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119734,00.html but they of course would have had to find him out on the ground, so chances are he was detained, why else would the FBI be "trying to confirm his identity?" they released him only after his parents filed a lawsuit. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-12-2004, 12:43 PM	#53
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	so the FBI holds him and then when his parents get him released it's, "see you later sucker. you're on your own". nice __________________ I still love everybody

05-12-2004, 12:45 PM	#55
dirtysouth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mobtown Posts: 2,613	I heard there was an 11 hour delay between the time they finished reading their statement and the actual beheading. __________________ no sig

05-12-2004, 12:53 PM	#57
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Berg was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24. He was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days, the family said. Senor said that to his knowledge Berg "was at no time under the jurisdiction or detention of coalition forces." Michael Berg told The Associated Press, however, that U.S. officials were "playing word games." "The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do. The FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they're kidding?" the elder Berg said. The Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day, Berg was released. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...e_mi_ea/iraq_2 There is a lot more to this story than we are being told. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

05-12-2004, 02:18 PM	#65
sean416 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,633	I cant beleive some of you think the conspiracy theory is impossible. You have someone who is desperate to win re-election... he's losing popularity among voters.. and knows exactly what to do and how to get away with it.. Theres no big suprise that he'd go through with it. __________________ ServerProvider.com

05-12-2004, 12:56 PM	#58
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Conspiracy? I realy don't know. But these are desperate times for the Bush administration and the neo-cons. So, these days nothing would suprise me. There is one interesting thing that no one has mentioned yet and that besides his family, he was never reported missing in Iraq. While they daily brief you about kidnappings and disappearances of troops and civilians, this guy was never actually reported missing. The media speculated he was grabbed on April 9th when a convoy of civilian and military personnel were attacked. YET..his name was not on that list as one of the missing in regards to this attack.

05-12-2004, 02:46 PM	#66
dirtysouth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mobtown Posts: 2,613	http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts Go here and search for Michael Berg (dudes dad). He signed the petition. He also listed his son's company as one of his employers. Probably nothing but interesting. __________________ no sig

05-12-2004, 02:53 PM	#67
Bansheelinks Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,023	You guys are beyond pathetic. You are no better than Rush Limbaugh when he was insinuating foul play in the Whitehouse when Clinton was in over Vince Foster's suicide. You guys are on the Planet Loon.

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05-12-2004, 05:05 PM	#74
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05-12-2004, 05:53 PM	#75
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	I smell another load of "words" like those spewed out by Rumsfeld as an "answer" when he is asked a direct yes-no question. "He was not in the custody of the US" Does that mean he was not physically "in" the US - that he was in the custody of "others" over whom the US has control - or that he was in the custody of the US, but in Iraq They could not make up their mind what day it is without a full discussion of the "possibilities" it is Wednesday - but that would be "classified" anyway!

05-12-2004, 05:58 PM	#76
sixone Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503	First this and now the damned aliens.

05-12-2004, 06:49 PM	#78
Chichio Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,467	I'm not convinced it was anything more than a horrible act by animals yet but... something else that is weird: He said he was going to make his way home and he knew that things were getting hot, but he didn't want to take a U.S. government chartered flight home because he thought the road to the airport was too dangerous. Now I have no idea what the situation is there, but if I needed to get out of Iraq I would want the American government's help doing so. I can't possibly believe that going it alone is the safer way to get out... Seems weird. Also, this guy was a savvy traveler. He spent time in Africa teaching the people there to build houses using bricks made of local materials. After being picked up more than 3 times, why would he continue to put himself right in the middle of the chaos knowing that he?s an unprotected Jewish American? That seems incredibly illogical. __________________ Exclusive Asian Content Program - FlyHighCash

05-12-2004, 07:08 PM	#79
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I think the US would be capable of setting up something like this. Did they do it this time, though? I don't know. Just because it's possible though, doesn't mean i'm going to jump to the conclusion and say yes, it happened. I think you people are jumping the gun big time. I'm thinking it wasn't the US that organized this. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

05-12-2004, 08:09 PM	#82
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,281	US knows exactly how to play the game, now the Iraq prison abuse looks like pancakes compared to getting your head sawed off

05-12-2004, 01:09 PM	#61
Alex Xe Guest Posts: n/a	strange...

05-12-2004, 08:14 PM	#83
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	My main problem with people ready to scream conspiracy over almost anything, is the nature of people themselves. We all know how well people keep secrets. Not very well at all. You'd think with the number of conspiracies people are willing to believe as fact, SOMEONE somewhere would have leaked out actual proof. No, people claim George Bush planned and hahahahahahahad 911, they claim Pearl Harbour was a conspiracy .. And blah blah blah. The only problem is, there's no proof. Just a bunch of theory. Is the US goverment capable of conspiracy? Absolutely! It doesn't make everything that happens a conspiracy though.