Are chargebacks ever fair?

apparently, if you're not popular, everyone has free reign to run all over you without much cause and without much of a case to support it.

it's funny, i get branded a scammer, that proves not true, then I get branded a newb and a shitty artist which is confusing in itself since I was hired based on my skill as an artist.

some people you just can't please. Maybe I'm the one getting scammed here. who knows. because apparently, in all this, if you're not popular and you speak out against people spouting off lies against you, you suddenly have a shitty attitude and you're just some newb "kid".

this board is full of disfunctional teenagers trying make themselves feel better.

4. When you're being paid $5/image, that implies a little bit of time & effort. Not ms paint. If you are not clear, ASK!

Hah, for only $5 bucks the image should take 10 minutes tops. do you work for 5 bucks an hour. If you were only paying me $5 bucks an image id run a few filters on it and call it good.

But sniper, this is a reason not to use paypal... And a better reason to sign contracts before doing work specifying what people are getting and what their options are if they are unsatisfied.

But for $5 bucks an image let it go.

BTW, i got a bunch of work for you to do at $5 bucks an hour. lol

Why wasnt this contract done on an image by image basis? For example try one image if I like I'll pay the $5 bucks and send more...

Do people just not think? If im hiring whoever for the first time I take it slow.

But yea, Sniper I think your bitch should be with paypal for refunding money that you think you earned.

If I'm a consumer and paid for something I'm not happy with I want a refund as well.

Can someone please explain the difference between image 1 and image 2 besides a slight desaturation and a crop? Image 3 looks like one of those pre nuclear blasts just as you see the flesh stripped away from the bone with dazzling reality.

$5 a picture, regardless of popularity on the boards is too much man if this is what is sent back.

You never send back gifs, always jpegs and that is a rule of thumb for static images as they retain rgb 24 bit and are not reduced to 256 indexed colour.

Personally, i think you should have sent them first as small jpegs to the client initially, to gain the client satisfaction, before asking for cash?

If the client was then satisfied, you would get paid and the client their work in a timely fashion and to their exact specifications, which you should also have discussed with emmanuelle in more depth, communication is key rather than just running off and bleating about chargebacks. You as a designer are charged with extracting the information out of the client in such a way as to avoid this miscommunication.

IF you had sorted this out prior then none of this bullshit would be even on the boards.

price isn't a factor here. we AGREED on a price. end of story. if a charge back is done, what grounds would it be on anyway? i can forward paypal the emails AND these threads. end of subject. price isn't what we're arguing...

so what it's gone from I'm a scammer, to I'm not talented enough to we chose too high a price for the images? You gimps as a whole are back pedaling every aspect of your argument. keep trying, you'll be right on this topic eventually....when you see the light and agree with me. what are you trying to get some e-pussy from emanuelle?

allow me to point out that she posted ONE picture that I did out of like 10...

Q, when customer does a paypal charge back. is it fair?

A. Yes, when it is apparent that the client didn't get what they wanted and you didnt bother to question the client further and understand the task at hand.

That was just fucking insulting, both to myself and the poster.

And yet you wonder why nobody has any respect for you....



Open your eyes- it has nothing to do with popularity. Few people here have any idea who I am, and my post count is similar to yours.


Now shut your trap & take some personal responsibility

Very insulting. But doesn't suprise me. Rememeber who we are dealing with here :glugglug

50 dollars you're not getting back.


since you are both RUDE and INSULTING, I've decided as a business and as a provider of services I have the right to decide your refund of services rendered. Since we both agree that I did provide service to you, weather you were happy with them or not, the only thing my company can do is offer you a refund in the form of a credit towards another purchase. Unfortunetly, we also reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

If you do happen to do a paypal charge back, I have the emails and these threads to shut your case down, quickly and easily. You should have been nicer to me and you shouldn't have jumped the gun and called me a scammer. I could careless what you and youre groupies think about me. I've provided excellent service before and I'll provide it for a long time from now.

You're a rude person. You're at fault for the work I turned in. Next time, provide an in detail work order and perhaps you'll get exactly what you want. I'm human. I can't read your mind.

The end. Try a paypal charge back and see what happens, to you, your rep and your paypal account....

Another stupid kid who thinks that he can shoot his mouth off from behind the safety of a keyboard.

Does your brand new boss know that you behave this way on a public forum during working hours?

At least hahahahaha me a receipt for my charitable donation....

stupid kid? haha right.:Graucho

actually now that you're puffing out your concave chest and mounting a soap box so you can be at eye level with me during this tirade of stupid that youre prematurley ejaculated across GFY. let me point out a few things here, cumberly.

1) you told me to take my time. yet you came running to the boards AFTER i sent the pics the first time and called me a scammer. you still have justified this.

2) you gave me two instructions. gold. burgandy. and nothing more. yet you've done nothing to help with critisim , you've just bitched, flung insults and tried to ruin my reputation.

3) you never tried to settle anything through the email. you just ran to the boards and started screaming scammer.

how can I consider YOU anything but a child looking for attention? you never gave me a fair chance. Ive been DEFENDING myself since day 1 of this fucking fiasco. and what do you keep doing? proding. poking and instigating.

wait till more artists see how you treat people. remember, YOU came to ME after you saw my work. I didnt come to you. you saw what I could do and thought it might work with your content. and, apparently, it didnt. that was your short coming...not mine.

the end.

It's about time that you shut the fuck up

Damn, it's a disaster.

I didn't read the whole thread - how much did you pay for that?

see, its shit like this that make me bust up laughing at people like you. you try and act like you've got a set of balls the size of New York but when it comes down to getting the facts hammered into your freak show face you bow out faster than France, fuck-knob.

If you really look at the facts here, you've wronged me in more ways then I could ever hope to bestow upon you. But here you are, planting your stadium wide bench warmer in my thread hoping you can get a last second victory lap in by ATLEAST getting the last word when you know, all hope in your argument is lost and having the last word is all you could ever hope to win now.

How about this, when I get home tonight, I'll post our chat log, straight outta Dead Aim...

do this for me....

take the first pic. Add some Gold and Burgandy and crop it.

I'd like to see how well you do.

emanuelle is fair and generous!
and a very very nice person.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Emmanuelle look at it this way.. You've donated 50 bucks to a really nice " teenagers with disability fund "

You know- I was about to do it for you right here & now, but I'm sure that everyone else here is just as tired as I am of listening to you babble on, each post more insulting than the next. You have already lost your credibility, and your dignity. I am not going to respond to you any longer, lest I fall to your level.

Good luck with your ventures kiddo- you're gonna need it.

No, he's being truthful.. If someone did that shit to me, I'd charge back AND call them a stupid motherfucker.

You do mean "with disabilities" right? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

u know whats funny man

50 bux is not much money.. but right now ur kinda ruining ur reputation.

think about that next time for whatever service u are providing.

if u dont care for what the customer wanted, dont expect anyone to use ur services.

word of mouth travels fast, especially if its juicy.

That is besides the point.

I'm no artist, I can do those things. Not as good as a pro but I can.
Becaus eI am not a pro I woul dnever charge for it.

But just because I can't create the stuff like a pro does not mean I can't see what is good work and what is crap.

And your final gif sir is CRAP with a captial C.

Like I said you should pay her for her time.

How about this, until it's your turn to talk, you just shut that cock loving fuckhole of yours. You side taking tramp.

My final post in this thread- A big thanks to everyone here for who showed their support. It's great to see people come out from the shadows to defend a stranger who has been dealt an injustice.
Kudos to all of you :thumbsup

If you couldn't do the job, why did you take it? NO offence, but my 5 year old could do better retouching.. And before you beak off, *I* am a photographer and I retouch my own photos, so I know what's involved. Nice try though. Damn.

Winning brownie points, are we? :P

You know what I find funny, I WOULD have cared about my customer if she didnt run to the boards the second she was unhappy claiming I was a scammer and acting like I didnt provide images to her. How can I care now and why should I care about my GFY rep if this is how you people act? Fuck all of you, I already have a full time job in adult.

Fuck you, fuck juicy, fuck anyone that will stand by the completely fucked actions of this person. See how you would feel if this happened to you.

You make images for someone. They arent happy.

They run to the boards and youre declared a scammer before you know anything is wrong.

Your rep is fucked and people are insulting you and theres nothing you can do about it.


Seriously. Fuck all of you for this bullshit.

He never had a reputation and he sure as hell doesn't now. Who would hire some boy who sends pictures back as GIF files? It's clear he doesn't understand how different picture files work.

Waaaaaaaaaaait a minute here, you're the douchebag who brought this to the board and you cry foul when someone takes sides? You did ABSOLUTE SHIT WORK as posted in the examples, and you come here whining, you tell half truths at best, and.. Oh fugit, you aren't worth showing the light to.

:glugglug

Uhhhh..you're calling me a side-taking tramp, and I simply made my call seeing that a) the images were saved as .gifs and b) the samples. Your attitude only makes you out to be a true fucktard.

YOU SAW ONE SAMPLE YOU FUCKING FRUIT

not only do I know how different pictures files work, I understand how different operating systems and how different computer platforms monitor calibration works along with different gama settings for video cards. so proceed to continue blowing me, bitch-cake.

Even if this was your worst work out of the bunch..

It's still horrific and a perfect example of why you don't need more of this type of work in future. The GIF thing is just hilarous to top it off. If I have to be a fruit, can I be a mango? I like mangos.

I admit I fucked up by sending GIFs. I can admit a mistake. I'm sure you've made them too. I've done a lot of images for a lot of people and it's what I do for a living. This was also while she was calling me a scammer across GFY, so my mind wasn't really set to do art work. can you understand that?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thong Sniffer.... emmanuelle is one of the best person you could ever work with.. and you blew it...

i blew it how? by not making her happy the first time and getting branded a scammer across GFY before knowing I had to try again? makes a lot of sense.

Eh, you're worthless, shut your fucking trap.