Jessica Lynch a hero? Yea, right... - GoFuckYourself.com

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 07:24 PM

Early reports had Lynch fighting her attackers until she ran out of ammunition and suffering knife and bullet wounds. Military officials later said Lynch wasn't shot, but was hurt after her Humvee utility vehicle was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle.

She was awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Prisoner of War medals while still in the hospital in Washington, D.C.

Lynch told Sawyer she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that her gun jammed during the chaos. "I'm not about to take credit for something I didn't do," she said.

"I did not shoot, not a round, nothing. ... I went down praying to my knees. And that's the last I remember."

On Thursday, Lynch won admiration in her hometown for having the courage to reveal she was raped by her Iraqi captors.

So any woman who is raped is a hero now eh?
Im not saying that it was good that she was raped, but in fact there is NO REAL medical proof she was ever raped.

NONE.

She herself has said many times that she was captured and then blanked out and only remmembers being raped when being interviewed by Army Intelligence.

Another US led case of trying to make a hero in the desperate voting times?

If every female that is raped in war is a hero, then why the hell isnt every american who got his dick cut off in vietnam a "hero"

I dont think anyone who would "fall to their knees and pray" as my friends died in a combat situation would be called a war hero.

Just my

reynold · 05-11-2004, 07:36 PM

If she was really raped, shouldn't there be a medical report on that one? Or are they just taking her word for it? Just asking.

Turboface · 05-11-2004, 07:38 PM

Fuck you, Dave. No one wants to hear your

Holly · 05-11-2004, 07:39 PM

Pleasurepays · 05-11-2004, 07:39 PM

why are the people who get caught heros and the people who kick ass aren't? get ambushed and shot up, captured and fucked by the enemy... your a hero. get ambushed and kill every last one of the attackers and you might get a twinkie to go with your k-rations.

lifes unfair.

KDizzla · 05-11-2004, 07:41 PM

I read that shes is pregnant.. The kid would have a harsh life. First its a bastard and second it would be half Iraqi.

xenophobic · 05-11-2004, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by KDizzla
I read that shes is pregnant.. The kid would have a harsh life. First its a bastard and second it would be half Iraqi.

wait a minute, the other day when someone posted that Jessica Lynch was raped there was lots of people mocking the poster, and saying that was not the case. interesting.

RickJordan · 05-11-2004, 07:43 PM

ANYONE that has serve our country is a hero, especially anyone that has ever been captured. She went above and beyond her call of duty.

Why is John McCain a hero? He was just some guy in a POW camp for 7 years.

xenophobic · 05-11-2004, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by RickJordan
ANYONE that has serve our country is a hero, especially anyone that has ever been captured. She went above and beyond her call of duty.

Why is John McCain a hero? He was just some guy in a POW camp for 7 years.

Good point, someone the other day was arguing that John Kerry's 4mm frag wound could have been life threatening, and he deserved a purple heart, but hey the girl who was injured in the line of duty, well they're not a hero!.

Holly · 05-11-2004, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KDizzla
I read that shes is pregnant.. The kid would have a harsh life. First its a bastard and second it would be half Iraqi.

You do realize what the length of gestation is for human beings, right?

Pleasurepays · 05-11-2004, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RickJordan
ANYONE that has serve our country is a hero, especially anyone that has ever been captured. She went above and beyond her call of duty.

Why is John McCain a hero? He was just some guy in a POW camp for 7 years.

He is a hero because he is the guy who almost sunk the USS Forrestal.

KDizzla · 05-11-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You do realize what the length of gestation is for human beings, right?

We have no clue what part of the cycle she was in. I just read the articles.

Fletch XXX · 05-11-2004, 07:57 PM

"Fuck everything and every body" - T E R R O R

Holly · 05-11-2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by KDizzla
We have no clue what part of the cycle she was in. I just read the articles.

I was gonna type a whole thing out here, but instead I'll just say "okay" and you can think about it some more.

KDizzla · 05-11-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Holly
I was gonna type a whole thing out here, but instead I'll just say "okay" and you can think about it some more.

You mean had she been pregnant she would have given birth already. Right?

Holly · 05-11-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by KDizzla
You mean had she been pregnant she would have given birth already. Right?

Right. If she had gotten pregnant in Iraq, the baby would have been born months ago. She's been home for over a year.

KDizzla · 05-11-2004, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Holly
Right. If she had gotten pregnant in Iraq, the baby would have been born months ago. She's been home for over a year.

Ok, I'm slow at these late hours. Please forgive me.

Holly · 05-11-2004, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by KDizzla
Ok, I'm slow at these late hours. Please forgive me.

Webasic · 05-11-2004, 08:42 PM

people love the word hero

TDF · 05-11-2004, 08:44 PM

what about shoshawna johnson? lets make a token white woman to be a heroine

Turboface · 05-11-2004, 08:54 PM

Dave Stodghill (VideoVoyeur) was pedaling cp when EZPlugContent filled a $2,015,676 judgement against him. Will they actually see that money from him, probably not, but they will see some more. They already grabbed his stuff and had a sheriff's sale before, but it didn't amount to that much, at all. He has since been carrying on his online activities under the name of his wife, Samantha Stodghill.

http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/canadateens.htm
http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/pottytarts.htm

The 'varsity teens' links were linked to cp. If you want to see the judgement, here are the links.

http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/
http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/index1.htm

knock, knock - Who's there?

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Turboface
Dave Stodghill (VideoVoyeur) was pedaling cp when EZPlugContent filled a $2,015,676 judgement against him. Will they actually see that money from him, probably not, but they will see some more. They already grabbed his stuff and had a sheriff's sale before, but it didn't amount to that much, at all. He has since been carrying on his online activities under the name of his wife, Samantha Stodghill.

http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/canadateens.htm
http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/pottytarts.htm

The 'varsity teens' links were linked to cp. If you want to see the judgement, here are the links.

http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/
http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/index1.htm

knock, knock - Who's there?

I was pedeling what now?

Pat dont even go there, it only costs me $30 to file a libel suit here.

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 09:18 PM

And theres never been a sheriffs sale on me or any of my property, and since you bring Varsityteens.com into the picture, I dont own that domain, http://www.adultmegacash.com does, they also owned PottyTarts.com and Canadasteens.com

Should I post proof now or later to make you look like the real idiot you are.

Fact is none of the sites had any kind of cp on it, but now Im kind of pissed.

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 09:20 PM

http://www.xxxgrfx.com/intro.html

There are the paysites you mentioned, I think you can just start pretending you never posted now.

Davery designed those, he also designed http://www.plrradio.com

Let me tell him you design cp real quick and see what he says.

Turboface · 05-11-2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
I was pedeling what now?

Pat dont even go there, it only costs me $30 to file a libel suit here.

...and it cost $1500 to have the Sheriffs come out to your place there.

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Turboface
...and it cost $1500 to have the Sheriffs come out to your place there.

There is no judgement against me, why do you think randy has NEVER even tried to persue it.

If you sued someone for 2 million dollars dont you think youd collect eh?

retard.

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 09:27 PM

Care to admit your wrong yet?

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 09:31 PM

Didn't think so.

Turboface · 05-11-2004, 09:34 PM

Damn - Look at Dave's back to back posts there!

It looks like I struck a nerve, eh?

'Judgment day' is closing in on you David. Can you feel it?

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 09:37 PM

Care to admit your full of crap yet pat?

Turboface · 05-11-2004, 10:14 PM

Just to let everyone know. David Stodghill has been scamming people for quite some time on this board under the following aliases:

ContentGod
OAEN
Crypto
Hippidy
Lovematch
VideoVoyeur
Virgins R Us
Megabondage
Disco_Stu
Adult Content Solutions

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 10:15 PM

Want to admit now that your full of shit about me dealing with CP Pat? Or is that just to try and make yourself look cool.

You pwned yourself man.

Trippekdick · 05-11-2004, 10:15 PM

Turboface · 05-11-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
Want to admit now that your full of shit about me dealing with CP Pat? Or is that just to try and make yourself look cool.

Trying to make myself look cool was not my intention. It was meerly making an observation that a number of people have been contacting me about recently. Even if the filth that you peddled was still online, I would not post a direct link to it anyways.

All you have to do is scroll down to the bottom of the page here, and that says it all.

http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/canadateens.htm

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 11:40 PM

hey dipshit, those arent my sites. Do you NOT know how to do a whois?

http://www.varsityteens.com

Owner IME Publishing
http://www.adultmegacash.com

Turboface · 05-11-2004, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
hey dipshit, those arent my sites. Do you NOT know how to do a whois?

http://www.varsityteens.com

Owner IME Publishing
http://www.adultmegacash.com

lol - Dave you must think everyone here is a retard, like you, but they aren't.

Squirm worm, squirm.

VideoVoyeur · 05-11-2004, 11:48 PM

Pat, is there some fucked up reason that you think that I own those sites now, since thy have owned to IME Publishing since 1996?

Your saying Im selling cp on a website that I dont even own.

How much crack are you on tonight?

05-12-2004, 12:19 AM

Turboface · 05-12-2004, 12:21 AM

According to this conman, from the ICQ conversation I just had from him just now, he can do anything he wants to on this board without being banned. You know what - I believe him.

He's told me that he is going to go to Eric and Lensman and have me banned. Not only that, but he's going to have all the threads deleted that I have posted in recently about him, trying to play the victim card.

Well, I can't say that it's a bad idea for him. He's had Eric delete MAJOR threads on him before. I am not going to take that chance again. I have ALL the threads downloaded here on my harddrive, just for safe keeping.

VideoVoyeur · 05-12-2004, 12:21 AM

I didnt say that Pat, I just want you to admit that you are lying about me selling cp since, you say i sell cp on those sites and I have never even owned them.

That was a direct bs attack on me, you have nothing to back up any claim you have EVER made about me, you have posted my old telephone number, my wifes, my parents, its time to just go bye bye.

Saying that someone sells cp is bad enough, but saying that someone sells cp on a site they dont even own, hell, you could have at least tried harder.

Mr Pheer · 05-12-2004, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Turboface
Trying to make myself look cool was not my intention. It was meerly making an observation that a number of people have been contacting me about recently. Even if the filth that you peddled was still online, I would not post a direct link to it anyways.

All you have to do is scroll down to the bottom of the page here, and that says it all.

http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/canadateens.htm

Can i get the short version on what happened?

Turboface · 05-12-2004, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Can i get the short version on what happened?

Here's what VideoVoyeur (David Stodghill) is all about:

http://board.gofuckyourself.com/sear...der=descending

VideoVoyeur · 05-12-2004, 12:38 AM

Yea, hes saying I own all of those sites in that dropdown box in the screenshot.

Yet, I dont and never have, and then hes trying to say I sell cp o that site (even though they arent mine and never have been)

The screenshots were originally about a script.

Once again, Pat 0 me 1

Mr Pheer · 05-12-2004, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Turboface
Here's what VideoVoyeur (David Stodghill) is all about:

http://board.gofuckyourself.com/sear...der=descending

Jesus Christ, I asked for the SHORT version

VideoVoyeur · 05-12-2004, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Jesus Christ, I asked for the SHORT version

I just gave it to you.

Turboface · 05-12-2004, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Jesus Christ, I asked for the SHORT version

VideoVoyeur you fucking scumbag!

VideoVoyeur(Davie) credibilty..lol

DAVE STODGHILL (aka Video Voyeur, OAEN, Brian Hicks, etc.) is now posting as Crypto.

OR, the most recent thread, started by Juicy:

Video Voyuer, Dave whatever name you go by now...

There's more threads on Dave Stodghill and his aliases. This is just a sampler!

steve90 · 05-12-2004, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
Early reports had Lynch fighting her attackers until she ran out of ammunition and suffering knife and bullet wounds. Military officials later said Lynch wasn't shot, but was hurt after her Humvee utility vehicle was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle.

She was awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Prisoner of War medals while still in the hospital in Washington, D.C.

Lynch told Sawyer she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that her gun jammed during the chaos. "I'm not about to take credit for something I didn't do," she said.

"I did not shoot, not a round, nothing. ... I went down praying to my knees. And that's the last I remember."

On Thursday, Lynch won admiration in her hometown for having the courage to reveal she was raped by her Iraqi captors.

So any woman who is raped is a hero now eh?
Im not saying that it was good that she was raped, but in fact there is NO REAL medical proof she was ever raped.

NONE.

She herself has said many times that she was captured and then blanked out and only remmembers being raped when being interviewed by Army Intelligence.

Another US led case of trying to make a hero in the desperate voting times?

If every female that is raped in war is a hero, then why the hell isnt every american who got his dick cut off in vietnam a "hero"

I dont think anyone who would "fall to their knees and pray" as my friends died in a combat situation would be called a war hero.

Just my

Anyone that fights in the military and acts honorable is a hero dip shit it doesn?t matter if an original report about that was true or not.

She was honest that takes courage to tell the truth she could have just went along with the whole thing

You mother fucking loser

zzgundamnzz · 05-12-2004, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Turboface
VideoVoyeur you fucking scumbag!

VideoVoyeur(Davie) credibilty..lol

DAVE STODGHILL (aka Video Voyeur, OAEN, Brian Hicks, etc.) is now posting as Crypto.

OR, the most recent thread, started by Juicy:

Video Voyuer, Dave whatever name you go by now...

There's more threads on Dave Stodghill and his aliases. This is just a sampler!

Tania · 05-12-2004, 01:47 AM

maybe

TAMPA_TOKER · 05-12-2004, 01:48 AM

VideoVoyeur just curious why would all these people make these stories up about you. Im not just talkin about the ones posting here. There are several others i have talked to over the past year and have had the same problems with you.

Why do all these people make false claims about you as you state that they are . Im curious to hear your anwser on this.

05-11-2004, 07:24 PM	#1
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	Jessica Lynch a hero? Yea, right... Early reports had Lynch fighting her attackers until she ran out of ammunition and suffering knife and bullet wounds. Military officials later said Lynch wasn't shot, but was hurt after her Humvee utility vehicle was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle. She was awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Prisoner of War medals while still in the hospital in Washington, D.C. Lynch told Sawyer she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that her gun jammed during the chaos. "I'm not about to take credit for something I didn't do," she said. "I did not shoot, not a round, nothing. ... I went down praying to my knees. And that's the last I remember." On Thursday, Lynch won admiration in her hometown for having the courage to reveal she was raped by her Iraqi captors. So any woman who is raped is a hero now eh? Im not saying that it was good that she was raped, but in fact there is NO REAL medical proof she was ever raped. NONE. She herself has said many times that she was captured and then blanked out and only remmembers being raped when being interviewed by Army Intelligence. Another US led case of trying to make a hero in the desperate voting times? If every female that is raped in war is a hero, then why the hell isnt every american who got his dick cut off in vietnam a "hero" I dont think anyone who would "fall to their knees and pray" as my friends died in a combat situation would be called a war hero. Just my

05-11-2004, 07:38 PM	#3
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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	If she was really raped, shouldn't there be a medical report on that one? Or are they just taking her word for it? Just asking.

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Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	why are the people who get caught heros and the people who kick ass aren't? get ambushed and shot up, captured and fucked by the enemy... your a hero. get ambushed and kill every last one of the attackers and you might get a twinkie to go with your k-rations. lifes unfair.

05-11-2004, 07:43 PM	#8
RickJordan Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lurkerville Posts: 11	ANYONE that has serve our country is a hero, especially anyone that has ever been captured. She went above and beyond her call of duty. Why is John McCain a hero? He was just some guy in a POW camp for 7 years.

05-11-2004, 08:42 PM	#19
Webasic Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,889	people love the word hero

05-11-2004, 08:54 PM	#21
Turboface Back in Black Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,976	Dave Stodghill (VideoVoyeur) was pedaling cp when EZPlugContent filled a $2,015,676 judgement against him. Will they actually see that money from him, probably not, but they will see some more. They already grabbed his stuff and had a sheriff's sale before, but it didn't amount to that much, at all. He has since been carrying on his online activities under the name of his wife, Samantha Stodghill. http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/canadateens.htm http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/pottytarts.htm The 'varsity teens' links were linked to cp. If you want to see the judgement, here are the links. http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/ http://ezplugcontent.com/dave/index1.htm knock, knock - Who's there? __________________ Search Engine Optimization Services for Adult Sites

05-11-2004, 09:18 PM	#23
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	And theres never been a sheriffs sale on me or any of my property, and since you bring Varsityteens.com into the picture, I dont own that domain, http://www.adultmegacash.com does, they also owned PottyTarts.com and Canadasteens.com Should I post proof now or later to make you look like the real idiot you are. Fact is none of the sites had any kind of cp on it, but now Im kind of pissed.

05-11-2004, 09:20 PM	#24
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	http://www.xxxgrfx.com/intro.html There are the paysites you mentioned, I think you can just start pretending you never posted now. Davery designed those, he also designed http://www.plrradio.com Let me tell him you design cp real quick and see what he says.

05-11-2004, 09:27 PM	#27
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	Care to admit your wrong yet?

05-11-2004, 09:31 PM	#28
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	Didn't think so.

05-11-2004, 09:34 PM	#29
Turboface Back in Black Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,976	Damn - Look at Dave's back to back posts there! It looks like I struck a nerve, eh? 'Judgment day' is closing in on you David. Can you feel it? __________________ Search Engine Optimization Services for Adult Sites

05-11-2004, 09:37 PM	#30
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	Care to admit your full of crap yet pat?

05-11-2004, 10:14 PM	#31
Turboface Back in Black Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,976	Just to let everyone know. David Stodghill has been scamming people for quite some time on this board under the following aliases: ContentGod OAEN Crypto Hippidy Lovematch VideoVoyeur Virgins R Us Megabondage Disco_Stu Adult Content Solutions __________________ Search Engine Optimization Services for Adult Sites

05-11-2004, 10:15 PM	#32
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	Want to admit now that your full of shit about me dealing with CP Pat? Or is that just to try and make yourself look cool. You pwned yourself man.

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05-11-2004, 11:40 PM	#35
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	hey dipshit, those arent my sites. Do you NOT know how to do a whois? http://www.varsityteens.com Owner IME Publishing http://www.adultmegacash.com

05-11-2004, 11:48 PM	#37
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	Pat, is there some fucked up reason that you think that I own those sites now, since thy have owned to IME Publishing since 1996? Your saying Im selling cp on a website that I dont even own. How much crack are you on tonight?

05-12-2004, 12:21 AM	#39
Turboface Back in Black Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,976	According to this conman, from the ICQ conversation I just had from him just now, he can do anything he wants to on this board without being banned. You know what - I believe him. He's told me that he is going to go to Eric and Lensman and have me banned. Not only that, but he's going to have all the threads deleted that I have posted in recently about him, trying to play the victim card. Well, I can't say that it's a bad idea for him. He's had Eric delete MAJOR threads on him before. I am not going to take that chance again. I have ALL the threads downloaded here on my harddrive, just for safe keeping. __________________ Search Engine Optimization Services for Adult Sites

05-12-2004, 12:38 AM	#43
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	Yea, hes saying I own all of those sites in that dropdown box in the screenshot. Yet, I dont and never have, and then hes trying to say I sell cp o that site (even though they arent mine and never have been) The screenshots were originally about a script. Once again, Pat 0 me 1

05-12-2004, 01:47 AM	#49
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05-12-2004, 01:48 AM	#50
TAMPA_TOKER So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Tampa Bay Florida Posts: 1,907	VideoVoyeur just curious why would all these people make these stories up about you. Im not just talkin about the ones posting here. There are several others i have talked to over the past year and have had the same problems with you. Why do all these people make false claims about you as you state that they are . Im curious to hear your anwser on this.