About interrogation methods of detainees

[theking]

The word "torture" has been thrown around alot since the now "infamous" photos have been displayed.

Though interrogation methods used by the US Army is not in my field of expertise...having gone through the Army's SERE School I am somewhat familiar with the methods used.

Having said that...prepping those that are subject to interrorgation is SOP. Prepping does not include actual physical torture...although some methods may actually be physically painful in the sense that it will tax the muscles of ones body. Physical torture "bamboo under the nails" type of thing is not allowed and it is not productive...because the reliability factor of information obtained through the use of physical torture is low.

Prepping does include...a certain degration factor and a certain deprivation factor...in order to break down ones mental resistence. Subjectively some may call the levels of these methods "abuse" and others may in fact call it "torture"...but none the less there exists SOP for the interrogation of prisoners...and it is a necessary thing.

[eroswebmaster]

douchebag says what?

[sltr]

when were u in the servivce?

seems like a lot has changed since then and you have not kept up

[Roger]

theking, you can start by explaining to us to what kind of torture did SERE's training prepare you for. What kind of torture they used on you?

[benc]

I dont see a big deal with what has come out so far. The media is just looking for a scoop to fill their 24 hour news channels with stuff people will watch.

Just remember, the people in those prisons are the types that lit a civillian convoy on fire and then mutilated the charred corpses.

[theking]

Originally posted by Roger
theking, you can start by explaining to us to what kind of torture did SERE's training prepare you for. What kind of torture they used on you?

Taxing ones physical stamina...through various means...humilitation...sleep and food deprivation...all designed to lower ones mental capacity to resist.

[Roger]

Originally posted by theking
Taxing ones physical stamina...through various means...humilitation...sleep and food deprivation...all designed to lower ones mental capacity to resist.

Where you trained to handle sexual abuses?

[Buff]

Originally posted by theking
Taxing ones physical stamina...through various means...humilitation...sleep and food deprivation...all designed to lower ones mental capacity to resist.

They told us that our wives/girlfriends were back home fucking other guys while we were in our little cages -- the sad fact is that many of them were. hahaha

[Buff]

Originally posted by Roger
Where you trained to handle sexual abuses?

Yes -- they threaten anal rape with foreign objects.

[theking]

Originally posted by Roger
Where you trained to handle sexual abuses?

No...I was not...but there is a story that the Marines used to have a similar school that was shut down because they in fact did sexually abuse. Unless the situation has changed the Marines still attend the Army's SERE school since theirs was shut down.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by Buff
Yes -- they threaten anal rape with foreign objects.

I didn't think you would see that as threatening?

[Buff]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
I didn't think you would see that as threatening?

And you're ready to sign up for Special Forces now.

[<IMX>]

What is the point of your post?

According to all the public testimony and the military's internal report the soldiers/contractors treatment of prisoners was an aberration of standard procedure.

At this point it is unclear about the motivation behind the tolerance of the abuse of prisoners; however, the information in your paragraph actually undermines your theme.

Originally posted by theking
The word "torture" has been thrown around alot since the now "infamous" photos have been displayed.

Though interrogation methods used by the US Army is not in my field of expertise...having gone through the Army's SERE School I am somewhat familiar with the methods used.

Having said that...prepping those that are subject to interrorgation is SOP. Prepping does not include actual physical torture...although some methods may actually be physically painful in the sense that it will tax the muscles of ones body. Physical torture "bamboo under the nails" type of thing is not allowed and it is not productive...because the reliability factor of information obtained through the use of physical torture is low.

Prepping does include...a certain degration factor and a certain deprivation factor...in order to break down ones mental resistence. Subjectively some may call the levels of these methods "abuse" and others may in fact call it "torture"...but none the less there exists SOP for the interrogation of prisoners...and it is a necessary thing.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by benc
I dont see a big deal with what has come out so far. The media is just looking for a scoop to fill their 24 hour news channels with stuff people will watch.

Just remember, the people in those prisons are the types that lit a civillian convoy on fire and then mutilated the charred corpses.

I know that's all that's on the 24 hour news channels. I haven't seen shit about Peterson in days.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by theking
all designed to lower ones mental capacity to resist.

Didn't have to go very far with you did they.

But explain why a loser would have anything worth saying?

We've had the pleasure of your wisdom for years, ever since Pathfinder "died"and I can't remember you ever coming out with anything vaguely intelligent.

[Roger]

Originally posted by theking
No...I was not...but there is a story that the Marines used to have a similar school that was shut down because they in fact did sexually abuse. Unless the situation has changed the Marines still attend the Army's SERE school since theirs was shut down.

There's a difference between sexual abuses and the other methods you mention. Sexual abuses can have a forever lasting effect that'll make many go completely crazy.

[theking]

Originally posted by <IMX>
What is the point of your post?

According to all the public testimony and the military's internal report the soldiers/contractors treatment of prisoners was an aberration of standard procedure.

At this point it is unclear about the motivation behind the tolerance of the abuse of prisoners; however, the information in your paragraph actually undermines your theme.

It is my understanding that the soldiers involved are MP's so yes it is an aberration as MP's via SOP are not to be involved in interrorgations but are to be only the keepers and escorters of prisoners...thus any "prepping" would subject them to violations of the UCMJ.

Contracted civilians are not subject to the UCMJ. It is my understanding there are reported beatings...intterogators are not allowed to do this...and it is not allowed to subject them to actual acts of sexual abuse but to sexually humilitate them to some extent...may be debatable if and when these matters reach the court.

[theking]

Originally posted by charly
Didn't have to go very far with you did they.

But explain why a loser would have anything worth saying?

We've had the pleasure of your wisdom for years, ever since Pathfinder "died"and I can't remember you ever coming out with anything vaguely intelligent.

And you...on the other hand...clueless are no more than a lying...spamming...piece of old flotsam.

[Lane]

Originally posted by theking
The word "torture" has been thrown around alot since the now "infamous" photos have been displayed.

Though interrogation methods used by the US Army is not in my field of expertise...having gone through the Army's SERE School I am somewhat familiar with the methods used.

Having said that...prepping those that are subject to interrorgation is SOP. Prepping does not include actual physical torture...although some methods may actually be physically painful in the sense that it will tax the muscles of ones body. Physical torture "bamboo under the nails" type of thing is not allowed and it is not productive...because the reliability factor of information obtained through the use of physical torture is low.

Prepping does include...a certain degration factor and a certain deprivation factor...in order to break down ones mental resistence. Subjectively some may call the levels of these methods "abuse" and others may in fact call it "torture"...but none the less there exists SOP for the interrogation of prisoners...and it is a necessary thing.

It's a shame they don't have people like you as brains of the government. They couldn't think of such justifications but they had to outright apologize and accept what is wrong.
Only if they knew there is someone out there who is able to produce "valid" excuses/justifications for every wrong-doing happening.

[theking]

Originally posted by Lane
It's a shame they don't have people like you as brains of the government. They couldn't think of such justifications but they had to outright apologize and accept what is wrong.
Only if they knew there is someone out there who is able to produce "valid" excuses/justifications for every wrong-doing happening.

Where have I offered "valid excuses/justifications". I am not aware of anyone in the government apologing for the "torture" of anyone...at least up to this point in time. Which is the subject stated in the first line of my post.

"The word "torture" has been thrown around alot since the now "infamous" photos have been displayed."

[Jakke PNG]

Goddamn you're blind...or in denial.

I'm not talking about this single incident either.

FYI USA isn't perfect, it isn't better than any other country either.

[Lane]

Originally posted by theking
Where have I offered "valid excuses/justifications". I am not aware of anyone in the government apologing for the "torture" of anyone...at least up to this point in time. Which is the subject stated in the first line of my post.

"The word "torture" has been thrown around alot since the now "infamous" photos have been displayed."

ah the word games. they could really use this talent too.

[Matt 26z]

I don't even consider this to be news yet, and I find it amazing that some people actually believe Rumsfeld should be fired over this. It's like firing the CEO for what a mailroom employee did.

.... and I'm still waiting for proof that TORTURE and great PHYSICAL ABUSE took place. Because the only thing I see so far are photos like a prisoner being led around on a loose leash. Yeah, that's real painful.

This news spinning is a disgrace to every American who has been tortured for real as a POW. I'm sure they'd take posing nude over having their bodies bent in half any day.

[theking]

Originally posted by Lane
ah the word games. they could really use this talent too.

Maybe you are playing "word games"...I am not. My post is about the word "torture" being bandied about...by many that have posted since the release of the pictures. I personally have only seen one picture of someone that looks as if he was tortured and in fact he appears to me to be dead. If this was done by American Soldiers or by Contracted Interrogaters or by fellow Iraqi prisoners...I do not know. These things are being investigated.

The quotes below are from one of the released prisoners.

"We are Muslims. We don't go naked in front of our families. But there we were, naked in front of American women and men," he said, adding that this treatment went on for about four hours as punishment for beating a fellow prisoner suspected of spying for the Americans."

[theking]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Goddamn you're blind...or in denial.

I'm not talking about this single incident either.

FYI USA isn't perfect, it isn't better than any other country either.

What specifically is it that you think I am in denial of...in this incident...or others if you care to name them.

[theking]

Originally posted by theking
What specifically is it that you think I am in denial of...in this incident...or others if you care to name them.

OK.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Goddamn you're blind...or in denial.

I'm not talking about this single incident either.

FYI USA isn't perfect, it isn't better than any other country either.

What he said.

[theking]

Originally posted by Ironhorse
What he said.

Originally posted by theking
What specifically is it that you think I am in denial of...in this incident...or others if you care to name them.

[theking]

Originally posted by Ironhorse
What he said.

OK.