Can the american military win a war? - GoFuckYourself.com

tbabe · 05-08-2004, 10:57 AM

I say no. Iraq and Afghanistan both should have been crushed over a long weekend but the news networks and opinion polls keep their hands tied. After the Iraq war started, after each soldier died, cnn would interview every family member, show tributes to the soldier and so on. Imagine if they had done that during vietnam?

War is ugly, you cant use a rule book to win a war.

torrey · 05-08-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by tbabe
I say no. Iraq and Afghanistan both should have been crushed over a long weekend

Have you ever been in the military??

crackerboy · 05-08-2004, 10:59 AM

ofcourse they can

sltr · 05-08-2004, 11:00 AM

we're trying to crush them?

Rictor · 05-08-2004, 11:00 AM

How do you crush an enemy that has no central power, no large concentrations of fire power, and will keep fighting until they are all dead?

Oh Sheila · 05-08-2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by crackerboy
ofcourse they can

Goose · 05-08-2004, 11:01 AM

in the end yes, but it takes long to win a war, no matter who leads it...

bcooter · 05-08-2004, 11:01 AM

IF there was a war worth fighting, that ALL of the US agreed was worth fighting, we would kick some ass.

bufferover · 05-08-2004, 11:03 AM

Yes but probably Bush don't want that

KRL · 05-08-2004, 11:09 AM

The problem is this is not a traditional war that the US or any other military force for that matter is designed for.

This is an urban war. The US military's structure was built to attack and defend against large military forces.

We did that successfully in the first few weeks. All Saddam's heavy duty military forces were destroyed. However his Republican Guards then went into civilian mode and just blended into the general population. These are the folks causing the problems and insurgent attacks now.

How do you successfully engage an enemey blended in with and operating from a civilian formation. Its impossible without also taking out civilians and civilian infrastructures like the Mosques.

This creates a political dilema, because now it looks like the US is a bully army bombing people's houses, businesses and places of worship instead of military fortifications.

Saddam was indeed brilliant in this respect. He knew the worst thing that could happen to the US was to have to engage Iraq into a long term protracted battle that ultimately really can't be won because the enemy stays invisible. There are no bases, no armament depots, no planes, no boats. Nothing the US could easily attack against the insurgents is visible as a traditional military target.

The best strategy right now is for the US to hand over full control to the next Iraqi government and provide secondary military power to help support that government. Anything else will ultimately prove to be a futile effort.

Basically we're fucked right now. We're trying to fight a war against the invisible man. And that is impossible to do.

JimmyJim · 05-08-2004, 11:11 AM

Well, Saddam was trained by the best lol

FunForOne · 05-08-2004, 11:12 AM

The U.S. army is not tuff at all. You should feel sorry for them.

You should get them presents.

May I suggest a chocalate revolver. But since they are so busy, you will need to run up real fast and hand it to one of them while they are patrolling.

Also, to get their attention you be shouting something religious like, "praise allah" or whomever.

Elli · 05-08-2004, 11:32 AM

This is no longer war. It is guerrilla style zealots and warlords fighting for the loyalty of the local population. You can't technically kill civilians simply for not supporting your cause, unless they pick up a gun, that is.

Interesting that the Koran tells believers the only acceptable time when fighting or violence is acceptable is if/when your home or family is threatened. And if it is, you have Allah's permission to fight to the death.

And that is what Bush has walked into.

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	The problem is this is not a traditional war that the US or any other military force for that matter is designed for. This is an urban war. The US military's structure was built to attack and defend against large military forces. We did that successfully in the first few weeks. All Saddam's heavy duty military forces were destroyed. However his Republican Guards then went into civilian mode and just blended into the general population. These are the folks causing the problems and insurgent attacks now. How do you successfully engage an enemey blended in with and operating from a civilian formation. Its impossible without also taking out civilians and civilian infrastructures like the Mosques. This creates a political dilema, because now it looks like the US is a bully army bombing people's houses, businesses and places of worship instead of military fortifications. Saddam was indeed brilliant in this respect. He knew the worst thing that could happen to the US was to have to engage Iraq into a long term protracted battle that ultimately really can't be won because the enemy stays invisible. There are no bases, no armament depots, no planes, no boats. Nothing the US could easily attack against the insurgents is visible as a traditional military target. The best strategy right now is for the US to hand over full control to the next Iraqi government and provide secondary military power to help support that government. Anything else will ultimately prove to be a futile effort. Basically we're fucked right now. We're trying to fight a war against the invisible man. And that is impossible to do. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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sltr Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,191	we're trying to crush them?

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Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	How do you crush an enemy that has no central power, no large concentrations of fire power, and will keep fighting until they are all dead?

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bufferover Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25,203	Yes but probably Bush don't want that

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JimmyJim Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 92	Well, Saddam was trained by the best lol

05-08-2004, 11:12 AM	#12
FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	The U.S. army is not tuff at all. You should feel sorry for them. You should get them presents. May I suggest a chocalate revolver. But since they are so busy, you will need to run up real fast and hand it to one of them while they are patrolling. Also, to get their attention you be shouting something religious like, "praise allah" or whomever.

05-08-2004, 11:32 AM	#13
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	This is no longer war. It is guerrilla style zealots and warlords fighting for the loyalty of the local population. You can't technically kill civilians simply for not supporting your cause, unless they pick up a gun, that is. Interesting that the Koran tells believers the only acceptable time when fighting or violence is acceptable is if/when your home or family is threatened. And if it is, you have Allah's permission to fight to the death. And that is what Bush has walked into. __________________ email: [email protected]