That's what they are addressing and investigating. Someone had to OK this type of behavior somewhere down the line. I also do not buy the excuse that these people do not know right from wrong or need specific training in the Geneva Convention to have some clue that this might not be acceptable.

Many people are doing good work and what they feel is right, but from all indications it only looks like this scandal is growing.

They announced investigations of abuse. There was no idea of the details or depths. I hope the soldiers get their day in court and the whole situation is resolved. There may be way too much collateral damage already with many iraqi's fears and rumors confirmed.

I think it comes down to the old "What did he know and when did he know it?" line. He could have known about the abuse or events like it since last November.

I absolutely agree with you.

Let's remember, much of the Millitary is comprised of young men and women without an awful lot of life experience. They're in a stressful situation that's also highly emotionally charged. It's possible some of them have lost friends/family/co workers in Iraq. We don't know the stories behind it yet. That's what these hearings will find out.

I'm not condoing their behavior, under any circumstances. There IS no situation, in my mind, that justifies treating people like that. We all make stupid mistakes. These people's were terribly stupid and/or melicious in nature. Either way they NEED to be punished.

If it turns out to indeed be true that Rumsfeld knew about this, or condoned it in anyway .. THEN I think calling for him to resign would be in order. But just randomly attacking the man, before we know for sure, based soley on the evidence that SOME soldiers indeed acted poorly, is jumping the gun in my books.

Have to agree there.

I don't like Rumsfeld very much, but everyone is entitled to be innocent until proven guilty.

Red Cross saw 'widespread abuse'

...The International Red Cross report differs greatly from the position of the US government which has been insisting that any alleged abuses were isolated incidents. ...

..."We were dealing here with a broad pattern, not individual acts. There was a pattern and a system," he said.

Mr Kraehenbuehl said that over the last year the Red Cross had repeatedly warned the Bush administration that the conditions at the Abu Ghraib needed changing.

"Our findings were discussed at different moments between March and November 2003, either in direct face-to-face conversations or in written interventions," he said.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3694521.stm

Hopefully he will simply retire in 4+ years after the second Bush term.:)

only i can predict !!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'll bet on it!

he isnt going anywhere...

If Rumsfeld resigns the terrorists win! :1orglaugh

I dont think he is ultimately to blame for this current shit storm though.

Nah, that administration never admits anything they did wrong.

I haven't paid much attention to this subject until I saw Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Dean McCain, Liberman and the others on the panel come down hard on Rumsfeld today.

Rumsfeld was totally unprepared. He was acting so damn dumb that I think he may have been telling the truth. If so, then he was hiding under a rock for the past few months.

Who took the pictures and the videos? Iraqi's? Americans?

It reminds me of gang members who video tape their buglaries and robberies, and then get caught by the police, and their very own tapes bury them.

Sure, war is stressful. But soldiers know damn well how they are supposed to treat prisoners of war. We fucked up. Off with their heads and their superior's heads, too.

Rumsfeld should resign, and Bush should be impeached. The fish always starts to stink from the head.

But of course! Otherwise, they'd lose control on ev erything!:winkwink:

It's been long enough now.

You may go ahead and admit you were completely wrong. :thumbsup

Yes...as a pyschic...you are a failure.

:1orglaugh I must agree with you 100% :1orglaugh

Big shame:(

I think's it's a BIG shame this tread is over a months old. :1orglaugh