I predict Rumsfeld resigns within a month.

No way will he resign.


Jesus is on their side, right?

No way, he won't resign. That would be admitting guilt.

He will not resign. Hes the best defense sec. this country has ever had and he hast he most experience.

God you people are twits, what a witch hunt this is turning into.

guess again he's on his way out, bush is going to cut his throat when the videos hit and iraq explodes

Bush will be re-elected.
Nobody will be arrested. (other than people directly involved)
Nobod will resign.

You will need to hide in a hole and wait four more years for Hillary's shot.

Let's say for a moment that John Kerry wins. He has stated that he will not immediately withdraw US troops from Iraq.

The day he takes over, is he then responsible for the actions of every single US soldier, as well? Should a handful of soldiers misbehave, will you be demanding his Deffense secretary resign? Of course you wouldn't.

This is pure partisan politics. Nothing more.

but did you forgot who is his friend... Bush so he wont have any kind of trouble

Hmm i don't think that Bush have any chances to be re-elected in the next elections

hey dumbass where did i say i was calling for him to resign or anything about supporint kerry? get a fucking clue the guy is done for whether you like it or not and i personally don't give a fuck.

He'll never resign. Never ever, the only way he'll ever leave office is when the administration changes.

This is from the actual Taguba Investigation Report. If the videos of the prisoners being forced to masturbate start getting shown on the worldwide news, its all over for this administration who are supposed to be the defenders of everything so pure and moral. LOL


Some of this stuff is pretty sicko:

"They made them do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet, called them all kinds of names such as "gays" do they like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their hands together and their legs with shackles and started to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt."

"During my tour at the prison I observed that when the male detainees were first brought to the facility, some of them were made to wear female underwear, which I think was to somehow break them down."

6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by
military police personnel included the following acts:

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;
jumping on their naked feet;

b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and
female detainees;

c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various
sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and
keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's
underwear;

f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate
themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and
then jumping on them;

h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,
with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his
fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a
detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old
fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked
detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a
picture;

k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female
detainee;

l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)
to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least
one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the
following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I
find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
(ANNEX 26):

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the
phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a
chair;

e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the
wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed
against the wall in his cell;

g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and
perhaps a broom stick.

h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and
intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
instance actually biting a detainee.

I hope rumsfeld get's his ass kicked to the curb.. him and John asscraft.

This guy is done, in your oppinion. Is that based on your years of political experience? Your advanced education in Political Sciences? Or you just guessing?

Dollars to donuts I know which!

doubt it, bush and em' OWNS us all, they can do whateva and nothing won't happen....bush will be relelected no matter what, it's the bag, but they'll fo thru the formalities just to keep the sheeple in line, we're living in a subtle dicatorship...face it

You actually said it best, Digi. The STORIES ...

It's just too bad that facts aren't piling up in the same manner, eh?

Double post. Fucking board.

i guess pics and video are just stories too right

Well let's examine your stories a little closer then:

Please provide your pictures and videos for us to see. I'm sure the world would be pleased to see these.



Excellent! More videos and pictures, please.

It's once again coming back to the action of a small few American soldiers. There's no evidence rumsfeld tried to cover this up, participated, approved of or directed this to happen.

There is evidence that some US soldiers behaved very, very badly. Further more, there is evidence the Army has been investigating this, and pressing charges since long before the media releasted these images. These people will be held accountable.

More double posts ;(

Who didn't expect shit like this?

are you really that nieve that you think the president and everyone else he can get related to the military would be out playing kiss ass on national tv, on arab tv and anywhere else if it was just a few guys who did this and only a couple pics?

you've got to be kidding yourself, at first it looked like it was just a few pics and a few people but that was the military trying to shut it down and act as though they had solved it and had it under control. but now it's becoming much more obvious that it was more widespread and orchestrated and encouraged to a large degree in that prison.

hell there are american soldiers back in the us right now telling the stories of it to the media about how it was widespread and occurred often. rumsfeld himself said there is a lot more evidence, so much that if it gets released it would be a major major problem for us.

he ain't going no where.

Over 350,000 American personel have served in theatre.

If 350 people are found to have been involved in this, that's .1%

if 3500 people are found to have been involved that's 1%

You get the idea. The VAST MAJORITY OF US TROOPS ARE SERVING HONORABLY. Why can't you get that?

Ok, now how many are serving in the prisons? and what percentage of those serving in prisons were involved? That is more relevant.

who said they weren't genius?

rumsfeld won't back down. he's been around for years and several administrations. they're all corrupt in one way or another.

Perfect. We agree the vast majority are behaving themselves.

If that's the case, wouldn't it suggest that the US policy, dictated from the executive arm, down through the deffense secretary and so on is in fact NOT to behave in this manner. Their written code of conduct CERTAINLY suggests it.

What more can Rumsfeld do? You can't be watching every soldier, personally, at every moment. What makes you think the entire American population will jump to conclusions, as fast as you do?

Even if its only 20 people its still a god damn problem. You can't see that?

This doesn't take away from the good service others are doing, but should, can, and will be addressed.

I usually stay away from political threads, but I spent the entire morning watching Rumsfeld and the Generals squirm under the questioning of powerful senators on the Armed Services Committee, which was live on all the major stations.

Rumsfeld protected Bush. The funny part was when one of the Committee Members asked one of the Generals why he went to CBS and asked them to delay the showing of the pictures of the prisoners being tortured. Talk about scrambling. The General should get his ass fired along with Rumsfeld.

They held back information from all of us. They tried to make excuses because allegedly, the American torturers were from a Reserve Unit.

I want pictures of every American soldier who participated in this abuse. I want to look into the eyes of those who have disgraced the US and the US Military.

I am in complete agreement with you. I'm not condoning what those people did. It's horrible.

I hope they're all punished, including all their immediate supervisors.

But to suggest that it should strech all the way up to the top of the chain of command, is absurd.

If this type of behavior was in fact the POLICY of the administration, then it's a different matter. But there's no evidence that's the case.

Fuck Rumsfeld!

You don't believe in due process for US soldiers?

When the DA announced rape charges against Kobe Bryant, he didn't show you all his evidence. He didn't circulate for the press photos of the rape victim in the hospital. Nothing of the sort. Why? It's an ongoing investigation and there's no need to release photos like this.

You may well WANT pictures of every soldier involved, but that doesn't mean you need them now. Nobody covered this up. Cent. Com. announced this investigation months ago! They just didn't show you all their photo evidence. Why should they?

Due process comes before your "want" to see I'm afraid.

Brought to you by the Admin that is on the witch hunt for porn

Funny the one dumbfuck defending this shit calls himself 'warchild'

Try reading, fuck tard.

I'm not deffending anybody that did this. It's quite clear.

I think everyone involved needs to be punished. I just disagree that the Deffense Secretary does.

Its DEFENDING, brain fart.

And yes, you are 'deffending' Rumsfeld. Do you also support the fact that they tried to suppress the story to the media?

And to

I'm sorry I made a spelling mistake. I must be completely wrong.

What evidence do you have, the Rumsfeld was in anyway involved in this? Either that he participated, approved, or in any other way was involved in making this happen. ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL PLEASE.

I'm defending a man there's NO evidence against.

When was the "story" suppressed from the media? Central Command released information regarding the start of investigations, to the media, MONTHS ago.

The only thing the media was asked to do, was not run the pictures just yet. There's no evidence a story was suppressed.

You might want to get informed about what's going on. All the "evidence" to date that we know about is against individual soldiers. Not a single picture exists, that we know of, showing Mr. Rumsfeld abusing any prisoners.

Oh and it's TOO, "brain fart".

Sounds like all the things Sadamn did and people wanted him dead.

That's what they are addressing and investigating. Someone had to OK this type of behavior somewhere down the line. I also do not buy the excuse that these people do not know right from wrong or need specific training in the Geneva Convention to have some clue that this might not be acceptable.

Many people are doing good work and what they feel is right, but from all indications it only looks like this scandal is growing.

They announced investigations of abuse. There was no idea of the details or depths. I hope the soldiers get their day in court and the whole situation is resolved. There may be way too much collateral damage already with many iraqi's fears and rumors confirmed.

I think it comes down to the old "What did he know and when did he know it?" line. He could have known about the abuse or events like it since last November.

I absolutely agree with you.

Let's remember, much of the Millitary is comprised of young men and women without an awful lot of life experience. They're in a stressful situation that's also highly emotionally charged. It's possible some of them have lost friends/family/co workers in Iraq. We don't know the stories behind it yet. That's what these hearings will find out.

I'm not condoing their behavior, under any circumstances. There IS no situation, in my mind, that justifies treating people like that. We all make stupid mistakes. These people's were terribly stupid and/or melicious in nature. Either way they NEED to be punished.

If it turns out to indeed be true that Rumsfeld knew about this, or condoned it in anyway .. THEN I think calling for him to resign would be in order. But just randomly attacking the man, before we know for sure, based soley on the evidence that SOME soldiers indeed acted poorly, is jumping the gun in my books.

Have to agree there.

I don't like Rumsfeld very much, but everyone is entitled to be innocent until proven guilty.

Red Cross saw 'widespread abuse'

...The International Red Cross report differs greatly from the position of the US government which has been insisting that any alleged abuses were isolated incidents. ...

..."We were dealing here with a broad pattern, not individual acts. There was a pattern and a system," he said.

Mr Kraehenbuehl said that over the last year the Red Cross had repeatedly warned the Bush administration that the conditions at the Abu Ghraib needed changing.

"Our findings were discussed at different moments between March and November 2003, either in direct face-to-face conversations or in written interventions," he said.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3694521.stm

Hopefully he will simply retire in 4+ years after the second Bush term.

only i can predict !!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll bet on it!

he isnt going anywhere...