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  • KRL
    Entrepreneur
    • Oct 2002
    • 31429

    #1

    Here's The Full Taguba Report Online >

    All the grizzly details in the actual Taguba Investigation Report.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...800-mp-bde.htm
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  • slavdogg
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    • Jan 2001
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    #2
    did you actually read all that ??
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    • BRISK
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Feb 2003
      • 12240

      #3
      For some reason, I just like to say the name Taguba.


      TAGUBA!

      I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
      I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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      • Digipimp
        BP4L OT DL
        • Mar 2003
        • 13481

        #4
        It's shaping up to look like this was not just a few people abusing prisoners but more of an overall orchestrated plan that was done but a whole whole lot of fucking US soldiers in that prison.

        I'm saying Rummy is gone within a month and when the videos hit it's going to get fucking ugly in Iraq like a motherfucker.

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        • stevecore
          Confirmed User
          • May 2003
          • 6130

          #5
          Originally posted by slavdogg
          did you actually read all that ??
          heres the good parts.

          6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by
          military police personnel included the following acts:

          a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;
          jumping on their naked feet;
          b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and
          female detainees;
          c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various
          sexually explicit positions for photographing;
          d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and
          keeping them naked for several days at a time;
          e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's
          underwear;
          f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate
          themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
          g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and
          then jumping on them;
          h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,
          with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his
          fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
          i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a
          detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old
          fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
          j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked
          detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a
          picture;
          k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female
          detainee;
          l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)
          to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least
          one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
          m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.
          (ANNEXES 25 and 26)

          7. (U) These findings are amply supported by written
          confessions provided by several of the suspects, written
          statements provided by detainees, and witness statements.
          In reaching my findings, I have carefully considered the
          pre-existing statements of the following witnesses and
          suspects (ANNEX 26):

          a. (U) SPC Jeremy Sivits, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
          b. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
          c. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
          c. (U) PFC Lynndie R. England, 372nd MP Company -
          Suspect
          d. (U) Adel Nakhla, Civilian Translator, Titan Corp.,
          Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade- Suspect
          e. (U) SPC Joseph M. Darby, 372nd MP Company
          f. (U) SGT Neil A. Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical
          Battalion
          g (U) SGT Samuel Jefferson Provance, 302nd MI
          Battalion
          h (U) Torin S. Nelson, Contractor, Titan Corp.,
          Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade
          j. (U) CPL Matthew Scott Bolanger, 372nd MP
          Company
          k. (U) SPC Mathew C. Wisdom, 372nd MP Company
          l. (U) SSG Reuben R. Layton, Medic, 109th Medical
          Detachment
          m. (U) SPC John V. Polak, 229th MP Company

          8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the
          following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I
          find credible based on the clarity of their statements
          and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
          (ANNEX 26):

          a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the
          phosphoric liquid on detainees;
          b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
          c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
          d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a
          chair;
          e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;
          f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the
          wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed
          against the wall in his cell;
          g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and
          perhaps a broom stick.
          h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and
          intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
          instance actually biting a detainee.

          9. (U) I have carefully considered the statements provided
          by the following detainees, which under the circumstances
          I find credible based on the clarity of their statements
          and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses:

          a. (U) Amjed Isail Waleed, Detainee # 151365
          b. (U) Hiadar Saber Abed Miktub-Aboodi, Detainee #
          13077
          c. (U) Huessin Mohssein Al-Zayiadi, Detainee # 19446
          d. (U) Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee # 151108
          e. (U) Mohanded Juma Juma (sic), Detainee # 152307
          f. (U) Mustafa Jassim Mustafa, Detainee # 150542
          g. (U) Shalan Said Alsharoni, Detainee, # 150422
          h. (U) Abd Alwhab Youss, Detainee # 150425
          i. (U) Asad Hamza Hanfosh, Detainee # 152529
          j. (U) Nori Samir Gunbar Al-Yasseri, Detainee # 7787
          k. (U) Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee # 150427
          l. (U) Ameen Sa'eed Al-Sheikh, Detainee # 151362
          m. (U) Abdou Hussain Saad Faleh, Detainee # 18470
          (ANNEX 26)


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          • stevecore
            Confirmed User
            • May 2003
            • 6130

            #6
            10. (U) I find that contrary to the provision of AR 190-8,
            and the findings found in MG Ryder's Report, Military
            Intelligence (MI) interrogators and Other US Government
            Agency's (OGA) interrogators actively requested that MP
            guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable
            interrogation of witnesses. Contrary to the findings of
            MG Ryder's Report, I find that personnel assigned to the
            372nd MP Company, 800th MP Brigade were directed to
            change facility procedures to "set the conditions" for MI
            interrogations. I find no direct evidence that MP
            personnel actually participated in those MI
            interrogations. (ANNEXES 19, 21, 25, and 26).

            11. (U) I reach this finding based on the actual proven
            abuse that I find was inflicted on detainees and by the
            following witness statements. (ANNEXES 25 and 26):

            a. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company, stated in
            her sworn statement regarding the incident where a
            detainee was placed on a box with wires attached to his
            fingers, toes, and penis, "that her job was to keep
            detainees awake." She stated that MI was talking to CPL
            Grainer. She stated: "MI wanted to get them to talk.
            It is Grainer and Frederick's job to do things for MI
            and OGA to get these people to talk."

            b. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company, stated in
            his sworn statement as follows: "I witnessed prisoners
            in the MI hold section, wing 1A being made to do various
            things that I would question morally. In Wing 1A we
            were told that they had different rules and different
            SOP for treatment. I never saw a set of rules or SOP
            for that section just word of mouth. The Soldier in
            charge of 1A was Corporal Granier. He stated that the
            Agents and MI Soldiers would ask him to do things, but
            nothing was ever in writing he would complain (sic)."
            When asked why the rules in 1A/1B were different than
            the rest of the wings, SGT Davis stated: "The rest of
            the wings are regular prisoners and 1A/B are Military
            Intelligence (MI) holds." When asked why he did not
            inform his chain of command about this abuse, SGT Davis
            stated: " Because I assumed that if they were doing
            things out of the ordinary or outside the guidelines,
            someone would have said something. Also the wing
            belongs to MI and it appeared MI personnel approved of
            the abuse." SGT Davis also stated that he had heard MI
            insinuate to the guards to abuse the inmates. When
            asked what MI said he stated: "Loosen this guy up for
            us." Make sure he has a bad night." "Make sure he gets
            the treatment." He claimed these comments were made to
            CPL Granier and SSG Frederick. Finally, SGT Davis
            stated that (sic): "the MI staffs to my understanding
            have been giving Granier compliments on the way he has
            been handling the MI holds. Example being statements
            like, "Good job, they're breaking down real fast. They
            answer every question. They're giving out good
            information, Finally, and Keep up the good work . Stuff
            like that."

            c. (U) SPC Jason Kennel, 372nd MP Company, was asked
            if he were present when any detainees were abused. He
            stated: "I saw them nude, but MI would tell us to take
            away their mattresses, sheets, and clothes." He could
            not recall who in MI had instructed him to do this, but
            commented that, "if they wanted me to do that they
            needed to give me paperwork." He was later informed
            that "we could not do anything to embarrass the
            prisoners."

            d. (U) Mr. Adel L. Nakhla, a US civilian contract
            translator was questioned about several detainees
            accused of rape. He observed (sic): "They (detainees)
            were all naked, a bunch of people from MI, the MP were
            there that night and the inmates were ordered by SGT
            Granier and SGT Frederick ordered the guys while
            questioning them to admit what they did. They made them
            do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump
            up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet,
            called them all kinds of names such as "gays" do they
            like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their
            hands together and their legs with shackles and started
            to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the
            bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt."

            e. (U) SPC Neil A Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical
            Battalion, a medic testified that: "Cell 1A was used to
            house high priority detainees and cell 1B was used to
            house the high risk or trouble making detainees. During
            my tour at the prison I observed that when the male
            detainees were first brought to the facility, some of
            them were made to wear female underwear, which I think
            was to somehow break them down."

            12. (U) I find that prior to its deployment to Iraq for
            Operation Iraqi Freedom, the 320th MP Battalion and the
            372nd MP Company had received no training in
            detention/internee operations. I also find that very
            little instruction or training was provided to MP
            personnel on the applicable rules of the Geneva
            Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War,
            FM 27-10, AR 190-8, or FM 3-19.40. Moreover, I find that
            few, if any, copies of the Geneva Conventions were ever
            made available to MP personnel or detainees. (ANNEXES 21-
            24, 33, and multiple witness statements)

            13. (U) Another obvious example of the Brigade Leadership
            not communicating with its Soldiers or ensuring their
            tactical proficiency concerns the incident of detainee
            abuse that occurred at Camp Bucca, Iraq, on May 12, 2003.
            Soldiers from the 223rd MP Company reported to the 800th
            MP Brigade Command at Camp Bucca, that four Military
            Police Soldiers from the 320th MP Battalion had abused a
            number of detainees during inprocessing at Camp Bucca.
            An extensive CID investigation determined that four
            soldiers from the 320th MP Battalion had kicked and
            beaten these detainees following a transport mission from
            Talil Air Base. (ANNEXES 34 and 35)

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            • StuartD
              Sofa King Band
              • Jul 2002
              • 29903

              #7
              Yeah, after doing all that, including sodomizing the men with broom handles (shudder).... what do they recommend?

              training.

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              • MattO
                The O is for Oohhh
                • Feb 2003
                • 10861

                #8
                videos... it only gets worse

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                • KRL
                  Entrepreneur
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 31429

                  #9
                  Originally posted by slavdogg
                  did you actually read all that ??
                  About half of it so far:

                  Some of this stuff is pretty sicko:

                  "They made them do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet, called them all kinds of names such as "gays" do they like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their hands together and their legs with shackles and started to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt."

                  "During my tour at the prison I observed that when the male detainees were first brought to the facility, some of them were made to wear female underwear, which I think was to somehow break them down."

                  6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by
                  military police personnel included the following acts:

                  a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;
                  jumping on their naked feet;

                  b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and
                  female detainees;

                  c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various
                  sexually explicit positions for photographing;

                  d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and
                  keeping them naked for several days at a time;

                  e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's
                  underwear;

                  f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate
                  themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

                  g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and
                  then jumping on them;

                  h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,
                  with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his
                  fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

                  i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a
                  detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old
                  fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

                  j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked
                  detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a
                  picture;

                  k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female
                  detainee;

                  l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)
                  to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least
                  one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

                  m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

                  8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the
                  following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I
                  find credible based on the clarity of their statements
                  and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
                  (ANNEX 26):

                  a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the
                  phosphoric liquid on detainees;

                  b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

                  c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

                  d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a
                  chair;

                  e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

                  f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the
                  wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed
                  against the wall in his cell;

                  g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and
                  perhaps a broom stick.

                  h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and
                  intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
                  instance actually biting a detainee.
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                  • KRL
                    Entrepreneur
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 31429

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MattO
                    videos... it only gets worse
                    From reading the report they had female prisoners pose naked while the MP's made pics and videos of them.

                    They also forced the male prisoners to strip naked and start masturbating and made videos of them jerking off.

                    OMG if they show stuff like this in the media next the US will become completely fucked up looking.
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                    • herbal logic
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 1172

                      #11
                      yet its ok to blow their heads off with heavy artilery.

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                      • Digipimp
                        BP4L OT DL
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 13481

                        #12
                        Originally posted by KRL
                        From reading the report they had female prisoners pose naked while the MP's made pics and videos of them.

                        They also forced the male prisoners to strip naked and start masturbating and made videos of them jerking off.

                        OMG if they show stuff like this in the media next the US will become completely fucked up looking.
                        don't worry there are videos as you already know and they're going to fucking explode onto the scene and iraq is going to implode

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                        • Jdoughs
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 5794

                          #13
                          They should arrest everyone of them for rape, assault and any hate crime they can fit in..

                          That is completely unacceptable and shows you WHO the fuckin animals are.

                          And having them in the military just makes the army look like a complete joke.

                          And the next time some hardass militants hit the United States...everyone will ask again..why here? why us? why now?

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                          • eroswebmaster
                            March 1st, 2003
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 20295

                            #14
                            according to some geniuses around here it's nothing more than a bit of hazing and harassment...worse goes on duing rush week at your local colleges.
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                            • eroswebmaster
                              March 1st, 2003
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 20295

                              #15
                              Originally posted by herbal logic
                              yet its ok to blow their heads off with heavy artilery.
                              war is war...but once they become prisoners the rules of the game is supposed to change.
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                              • MattO
                                The O is for Oohhh
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 10861

                                #16
                                The whole things reads like a prison madhouse... so many prisoner on prisoner fights broken up with "non-lethal fire", so many escapes, failed and successful...

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                                • StuartD
                                  Sofa King Band
                                  • Jul 2002
                                  • 29903

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                  according to some geniuses around here it's nothing more than a bit of hazing and harassment...worse goes on duing rush week at your local colleges.
                                  I know, heaven forbid some of us refer to that stuff as "torture" or else we attacked for having some kind of wrong definition of the word.

                                  Well, it sure isn't a stroll on the beach no matter what ya call it.
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                                  • Jakke PNG
                                    ex-TeenGodFather
                                    • Nov 2001
                                    • 20306

                                    #18
                                    I also find that very
                                    little instruction or training was provided to MP
                                    personnel on the applicable rules of the Geneva
                                    Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War,
                                    FM 27-10, AR 190-8, or FM 3-19.40. Moreover, I find that
                                    few, if any, copies of the Geneva Conventions were ever
                                    made available to MP personnel or detainees. (ANNEXES 21-
                                    24, 33, and multiple witness statements)
                                    HOW is it possible to have people guard pow's that don't even probably know anything about the geneva convention. The rules of war were one of the first things they tought us when I was in the army...
                                    ..and I'm off.

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                                    • eroswebmaster
                                      March 1st, 2003
                                      • Jul 2001
                                      • 20295

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by herbal logic
                                      yet its ok to blow their heads off with heavy artilery.
                                      war is war...but once they become prisoners the rules of the game is supposed to change.
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                                      • herbal logic
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2004
                                        • 1172

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                        war is war...but once they become prisoners the rules of the game is supposed to change.
                                        I don't disagree.... I could just see how it becomes very emotional as a US soldier when your friends are being killed in a guerrilla fashion trying to maintain peace.

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                                        • Jakke PNG
                                          ex-TeenGodFather
                                          • Nov 2001
                                          • 20306

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by herbal logic
                                          I don't disagree.... I could just see how it becomes very emotional as a US soldier when your friends are being killed in a guerrilla fashion trying to maintain peace.
                                          Yet people would cheer if there were SEAL sniper success stories on CNN. Usually the coin has 2 sides, no?
                                          ..and I'm off.

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                                          • herbal logic
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 1172

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by TeenGodFather
                                            Yet people would cheer if there were SEAL sniper success stories on CNN. Usually the coin has 2 sides, no?
                                            always.... just as there is a lot of good happening in Iraq.

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                                            • KRL
                                              Entrepreneur
                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 31429

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by TeenGodFather
                                              HOW is it possible to have people guard pow's that don't even probably know anything about the geneva convention. The rules of war were one of the first things they tought us when I was in the army...
                                              LOL - research these companies that got the contract for the prison guards and interrogators. Titan Corp. and CACI. Both tied to Republican special interest military industrial big wigs. Look at their board of directors and the interlocking directorships. You can find Cheney connections also.

                                              Companies making a lot of money charging outrageous hourly fees to the government for these contract services. The government ok'ing these lucrative deals because the companies in turn donate large amounts to the politicians in the US.

                                              Its always about the buck at the end of the day at the expense of those without a voice.
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                                              • directfiesta
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 30140

                                                #24
                                                shamefull....

                                                Liberation my ass....
                                                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 60840

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by KRL
                                                  LOL - research these companies that got the contract for the prison guards and interrogators. Titan Corp. and CACI. Both tied to Republican special interest military industrial big wigs. Look at their board of directors and the interlocking directorships. You can find Cheney connections also.
                                                  7. (U) These findings are amply supported by written
                                                  confessions provided by several of the suspects, written
                                                  statements provided by detainees, and witness statements.
                                                  In reaching my findings, I have carefully considered the
                                                  pre-existing statements of the following witnesses and
                                                  suspects (ANNEX 26):

                                                  a. (U) SPC Jeremy Sivits, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
                                                  b. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
                                                  c. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
                                                  c. (U) PFC Lynndie R. England, 372nd MP Company -
                                                  Suspect
                                                  d. (U) Adel Nakhla, Civilian Translator, <font color="yellow">Titan Corp.,</font>
                                                  Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade- Suspect
                                                  e. (U) SPC Joseph M. Darby, 372nd MP Company
                                                  f. (U) SGT Neil A. Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical
                                                  Battalion
                                                  g (U) SGT Samuel Jefferson Provance, 302nd MI
                                                  Battalion
                                                  h (U) Torin S. Nelson, Contractor, <font color="yellow">Titan Corp.,</font>
                                                  Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade
                                                  j. (U) CPL Matthew Scott Bolanger, 372nd MP
                                                  Company
                                                  k. (U) SPC Mathew C. Wisdom, 372nd MP Company
                                                  l. (U) SSG Reuben R. Layton, Medic, 109th Medical
                                                  Detachment
                                                  m. (U) SPC John V. Polak, 229th MP Company

                                                  Seems like some Titan Corp operatives are selling them out no?

                                                  Torin Nelson is Titan Corp, and so is Adel Nakhla

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