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CNN voting results: http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/result...5.content.html

Two murders that they have admitted to so far as well as ongoing investigations into other possible murders by U.S. soldiers or contractors.

Here is part of a military report that the New Yorker published - do you deny this is torture?

Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/

Why would anyone try to defend these actions?

we have some fucked up soliders fighting this war. the iraq people in general really did nothing wrong to americans. the didn't cause 9/11 they fought in a war that was forced upon them by OUR president. if someone shoots at you, and you have a gun you're going to shoot back.

now you have a bunch of military family members saying there son's are innocent. bullshit there is proof of them in photos and videos. prosecute those suckers send them to jail that's not exceptible just because they're americans and fight in a war doesn't make it right

yes yes you americans are never wrong. yes you have never tortured iraqis prisoners... and the pictures in newspapers and internet???????????????

Gold words!

You must listen to Rush.

what ever happened to leading by example? If we are the best military power (as claimed) and/or the best nation (again, as claimed) then when our people do EVIL things we throw our hands up and deal with it and not try to squirm out of it with 'well he hit me first' arguments that toddlers give.

No one ever assumes that everyone is good. If so then why do we have prisons in the US? And I'm sure that all nations have some form of prison system.

The US military isn't equipped nor trained as a police force with the exception of each branches own military police. Still, these are MPs and not prison guards.

In regards to the allegations of actual torture like breaking lightbulbs on prisoners, I hope I've made it clear that those involved (and if the allegations are true) they'll be procecuted.

I do believe that our people over there are as appalled at this as we are at home.

The most appaling bit is about the expectation of different standards based on culture vs that of law. To indemnify the Iraqis for the atrocities they've commited because it's in their culture is ridiculous and they should be held to a higher standard; moreover, justice must be done. This justice however doesn't include the harassment nor 'doing to them as they've done to us.'

Thank you everyone for contributing to this thread. I'm going home to smoke pot and watch some Chris Cunningham videos.

Lieberman is a fucking asshat.

i am sure atleast one word in your reply had something to do with my post.

I second that,,,,

BTW, 50 fucking tortured iraqi prisonners!

Lets try to be imaginative here. So if the tables were turned and its the Americans suffering all these things, how would you call it? Torture or Humiliation or both?

Something that makes you go " huuuummmmmmmm"


R2I techniques


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...212197,00.html


Why be surprised? After all, didn't Saddam get his ' techniques" from Rummy and the US gov of the time???