Could this picture stop the US Invasion?

[Paul Waters]

I am referring to the picture of Lynndie England holding a leash attacted to the neck of a naked Iraqi prisoner.

It is on the front page of today's Toronto Globe and Mail.

There are probably few here who were alive almost 40 years ago, when one of the most famous pictures ever taken appeared on the front pages of newspapers around the world. A naked Vietnamese girl, about 10 years old was pictured running down a dirt road, fleeing from her village that had recently been dumped with nalpham.

After seeing that, public opinion in the US turned to a belief that their presense in Vietnam was wrong.

Could this picture cause US public opinion to swing to a belief that the American presense in Iraq is wrong?

[Goose]

which one? No pics, no answers ;)

[justfreemovies]

got a scanner i wanna see

[James White]

uh.. wheres the pic?

[nathan_f]

which pic do you guys want to see?

[Triple 6]

posting a thread about a pic, minus the pic, is pretty fuckin stupid.

[woj]

Threads about pics with no pics in it suck...

[Paul Waters]

I will try to get something up. I don't have a scanner. Here is a link to some more pics of her.

She is becomming famous in way most of us would never want to....

http://www.democraticunderground.com...d=521139&page=

[woj]

Originally posted by Triple 6
posting a thread about a pic, minus the pic, is pretty fuckin stupid.

exactly what I had in mind...

[Paul Waters]

Here is a photograph of the picture on today's Gloabe and Mail:

[Theo]

her father probably had 6 heart attacks

[Jakke PNG]

Hey... let's commit war crimes and take pics.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
Here is a photograph of the picture on today's Gloabe and Mail:

This putrid bitch is 100% authentic white trash:

"England grew up in a trailer down a dirt road behind a saloon and a sheep farm in Fort Ashby, W.Va., a one-stoplight town about 13 miles south of Cumberland."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nat...home-headlines

[EviLGuY]

I doubt it will make much of a difference.

This isnt Vietnam.. no draft. All the soldiers there are volunteers.

If the massive amount of debt the war is building up doesn;t phase em, you think that will?

[CamChicks]

so how much will Hugh/Larry offer her to pose nude?
someone has already registered lynndieengland.com

[johnbosh]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
Here is a photograph of the picture on today's Gloabe and Mail:

ayy

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by CamChicks
so how much will Hugh/Larry offer her to pose nude?
someone has already registered lynndieengland.com

By the time she gets out of the stockade she should be just right for the mature niche.

[jackson]

wow, that is really fucked up but i don't feel it will have as big an impact on the US, its not a 10 year old little girl it's middle aged iraqi, who knows why he's in the prison camp in the first place, it doesn't make what she's doing right i mean in a time of war who has time to strap a leash to a guy and then take pics of it i mean if she was beating the shit out of him or abusing him in that kind of way i guess it wouldn't be as significant... i dunno times are weird

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
This putrid bitch is 100% authentic white trash:

"England grew up in a trailer down a dirt road behind a saloon and a sheep farm in Fort Ashby, W.Va., a one-stoplight town about 13 miles south of Cumberland."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nat...home-headlines

And "it" doesn't even look like a woman.

[StRoGE]

Maybe the dude likes it. I mean honestlly, Ive heard of people getting off on alot stranger shit then having a leash on....
Why does everyone always assume the worst?

You forget that, right or wrong, a lot of people associate Iraqis with terrorists. I'm sure there are lots of people that will look at that picture and gain some satisfaction from it. Especially people that lost family members on 9/11.

Seeing how the two events are probably totally unrelated, that doesn't make a lot of sense, but I'm pretty sure that's how a lot of people will feel.

[johnbosh]

Originally posted by charly
By the time she gets out of the stockade she should be just right for the mature niche.

lol :p sick

[Tania]

wtf ....no pic?

[Paul Waters]

Originally posted by StRoGE
Maybe the dude likes it. I mean honestlly, Ive heard of people getting off on alot stranger shit then having a leash on....
Why does everyone always assume the worst?

Actually, this is one of the highest forms of humiliation for a Muslim male. Being naked in public, and being dominated by a female.

Stories are coming out that the soldiers were actually training to do this by the "experts" in the US military. I can't find the story on-line; I would have liked to have posted a link.

[Basic_man]

I don't think so, but she will get alot of troubles for doing that!

[Lycanthrope]

For the most part, I've been quiet up till now.

Most people criticizing things going on over there at least speak intelligently about it, or admit they don't know what the hell is going on and I can respect that.

What I can't respect are you ignorant bleeding hearts that have no f'n clue what the hell goes on during war, think you have all the answers and act shocked over these mind games that are being played on the prisoners.

That's all they are... mind games. A woman treating a muslim like a dog. That's just about as insulting as you can get to a muslim. Dogs are considered the lowest form of life - heathenly beasts, and women as you know are ranked just slightly higher. I think this move was brilliant. Allowing an outsider to photograph it, not so brilliant.

Yep, that sure was insulting, maybe even traumatic, but that's all it is. They aren't spreading bio-fucking-toxins on them like these idiots did to their own people just a few years ago. Funny how that stuff is forgotten about. But demean somebody a little bit during an interrogation and if they are American, it's the worst thing ever.

Shit goes on during war that one might not ordinarily do. Yes, I know. I only regret that we didn't level that fucking place the first time around. No, soldiers of today were not drafted, but to say they are there by choice is just ignorant.

From what I've seen / heard... this is to crimes against humanity what Janet Jackson's right tit is to hardcore porn.

Its funny that one would defend a "poor" fucking dirt dweller in the name of humanity but rip on an American that's just doing her job that was born to less than fortunate parents.

They should have just killed them all instead of having them detained, then you could have all lived blisfully ignorant.

[Babel]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
I am referring to the picture of Lynndie England holding a leash attacted to the neck of a naked Iraqi prisoner.

It is on the front page of today's Toronto Globe and Mail.

There are probably few here who were alive almost 40 years ago, when one of the most famous pictures ever taken appeared on the front pages of newspapers around the world. A naked Vietnamese girl, about 10 years old was pictured running down a dirt road, fleeing from her village that had recently been dumped with nalpham.

After seeing that, public opinion in the US turned to a belief that their presense in Vietnam was wrong.

Could this picture cause US public opinion to swing to a belief that the American presense in Iraq is wrong?

This is actually quite funny. As shocking as the images can be, if you read the Red Cross report, it is much much worse and damaging.

Also, the fact that the new pictures again shows the same small inbred female soldier was done only to reinforce the idea that the abuse was done by a dozen people only

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
For the most part, I've been quiet up till now.

Most people criticizing things going on over there at least speak intelligently about it, or admit they don't know what the hell is going on and I can respect that.

What I can't respect are you ignorant bleeding hearts that have no f'n clue what the hell goes on during war, think you have all the answers and act shocked over these mind games that are being played on the prisoners.

That's all they are... mind games. A woman treating a muslim like a dog. That's just about as insulting as you can get to a muslim. Dogs are considered the lowest form of life - heathenly beasts, and women as you know are ranked just slightly higher. I think this move was brilliant. Allowing an outsider to photograph it, not so brilliant.

Yep, that sure was insulting, maybe even traumatic, but that's all it is. They aren't spreading bio-fucking-toxins on them like these idiots did to their own people just a few years ago. Funny how that stuff is forgotten about. But demean somebody a little bit during an interrogation and if they are American, it's the worst thing ever.

Shit goes on during war that one might not ordinarily do. Yes, I know. I only regret that we didn't level that fucking place the first time around. No, soldiers of today were not drafted, but to say they are there by choice is just ignorant.

From what I've seen / heard... this is to crimes against humanity what Janet Jackson's right tit is to hardcore porn.

Its funny that one would defend a "poor" fucking dirt dweller in the name of humanity but rip on an American that's just doing her job that was born to less than fortunate parents.

They should have just killed them all instead of having them detained, then you could have all lived blisfully ignorant.

right on

I might add I think they should send the 173rd back 2 Iraq and let them run the prisons, you'd see some abuse on those asswipes then.

[steffie]

I also haven't said much about the whole situation, however I do now and agree with a previous post.

There is so much crap going on , so much torture in the world and humiliation. How do you think they get these guys to talk?

Let's not live in la la land here, its war. These guys and gals are trained to get the information our government needs

Making pictures of it,, yeah retarted! Stupid

[slackologist]

Originally posted by Lycanthrope

They should have just killed them all instead of having them detained, then you could have all lived blisfully ignorant.

[slackologist]

Originally posted by Lycanthrope

Its funny that one would defend a "poor" fucking dirt dweller in the name of humanity but rip on an American that's just doing her job that was born to less than fortunate parents.

I don't know how you can approve of this mental abuse but whatever gets you off. Do you seriously believe this is legal and common practice approved by U.S military and government?

[peteinoz]

replying from australia


this current blurb in the media about these pics pisses me off big time..

e.g these ppl are going to war, they are trained to kill ppl for god sake.. not give them fucking head jobs..

they are living in an insane reality, something that us sitting here at our computers could not comprehend


then these ppl let of some steam, its kinda sick.. but what do you expect.. they live on adrenalin, jump at every bloody noise most likely, there will always be a % of them who act out in different ways.. some will act out by reading the fucking bible compulsively, others will piss on the dudes they are there to kill


when I was growing up.. me and my mates did some sick stuff, but ive grown up ok... thats why im posting on a board called gofuckyourself


ok ive said my piece now, I'll shut up

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by slackologist

they should have killed' em twice make damm sure they are dead

[hostey_com]

I bet she's a lezbo

[Jakke PNG]

Most of you approve the act? Incredible. I remember not so long ago some US soldiers were captured and everyone cried here, and as far as I remember there were no war crimes committed against them. (not sure about that though).

You all must realize there's rules to warfare, they SHOULD be followed. Apparently not, and it's not a big deal. right? Why aren't the fine men and women fighting for your...I mean their freedom be allowed rape and pillage too? After all, the evil arabs are doing it too, aren't they?
I'm slightly disgusted. warcrimes aren't a laughing matter, the ones committing the act should be punished.. not a slight slap on the wrists either.

I understand it's your country fighting there, not mine. But the biased opinions on this board are amazing. Comparable to labeling Jackson guilty before a trial. Innocent until proven guilty my ass. Rules are for pussies.

That's all, carry on.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by hostey_com
I bet she's a lezbo

a preggo lezbo

[slackologist]

Originally posted by jimmyf
they should have killed' em twice make damm sure they are dead

they shoulda cut off their heads to hang on the inside of their trailer above the tv when they get back home.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by slackologist
they shoulda cut off their heads to hang on the inside of their trailer above the tv when they get back home.

nope just there right hand.

[peteinoz]

[i] Comparable to labeling Jackson guilty before a trial. Innocent until proven guilty my ass. Rules are for pussies.

That's all, carry on. [/B]

oh NOOOO

please dont start on Jacko

that diserves its own thread

[scoreman]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
You all must realize there's rules to warfare, they SHOULD be followed.

The "rules" of warfare in the last 100 years have been edited down to one word "WIN". To term having prisoners put into cold cells for days or held on leases naked like dogs as "war crimes "IMO is absurd. War crimes is genocide, execution, cutting off parts, hot tongs etc. Mental anguish is part and parcel of warfare and being a POW, and I personally see nothing wrong with extending less than complete rights to POWs. Realistically you cannot have the military be assigned to kill these people outside the prison but once captured treat them like US citizens doing time for shoplifting.

The real problem here is the USA military did not have a well formulated plan to manage these POWs. The enlisted soldiers who were charged with the responsibility of managing these detainees were ill trained and were getting conflicting guidance from their leaders and others like the CIA. Is it any wonder than that things went completely FUBAR?

For the record, I am against the war and I have a very liberal background , including schooling at Cal-Berkeley and a four year stint doing Criminal defense work for indigents. Looking at these actions of the US military, I think that there has been a serious case of lack of leadership here and someone high up in the chain will ultimately have to fall on his sword to satisfy the international media bloodlust over this matter.

[Paul Waters]

From what I am reading, it seems that a lot of Americans are ready to discard any claims of being morally superior, being right and decent......

And just turn into a *might is right* nation.

But, then you lose any moral reason to invade. Do you not?

If you don't at least *claim* to be morally superior, then how can you justify invading a country over democracy issues?

(Seeing as the WMD issue kinda fizzled).

[zzgundamnzz]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
Here is a photograph of the picture on today's Gloabe and Mail:

What people have to realize that this is a "war". Atrocities will be committed. The only difference between this war and wars of the past is people didn't have a guy with a camera snapping everything negative about it and instantly sending there footage via internet.

War is hell, its life. Everyone wants to picture a world where GI JOE stops Cobra without hurting anybody but unfortunately this is the world we live in.

[scoreman]

Paul Waters makes a good point. If you take the viewpoint that atrocities will happen because its war, then what is the justification for the US being in this war if we cannot be held to a higher standard? You cant say we are in this war for WMD, you cant say its because we are getting back at them for terrorist acts, the sole ground we stand on is that the USA is getting rid of a dictator and freeing a society. We are nation building, but to do so rests on the premise that our nation is superior. If we are not superior, but are instead a nation that finds it ok to commit atrocities because "it's war" than why is it valid for us to believe we should be the ones to create new societies in our image?

[peteinoz]

Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
What people have to realize that this is a "war". Atrocities will be committed. The only difference between this war and wars of the past is people didn't have a guy with a camera snapping everything negative about it and instantly sending there footage via internet.

War is hell, its life. Everyone wants to picture a world where GI JOE stops Cobra without hurting anybody but unfortunately this is the world we live in.

Totally Agree's

thanks fuck there were no digi cams in vietnam huh

[beergood]

fuck'em

[AWC]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
Here is a photograph of the picture on today's Gloabe and Mail:

what's wrong with a little dominatrix action?

bet it would rebill like a motherfucker

[Donny]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
Here is a photograph of the picture on today's Gloabe and Mail:

Bet this little girl would rather be on a leash than burning from Napalm...

[TheFrog]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
Here is a photograph of the picture on today's Gloabe and Mail:

fucked up

[EvilFubAr]

The dude was probably on the ground acting like a moron, or throwing a tantrum.... look at the cell doors they arnt even locked... ya looks real tough there... life isnt pretty when you are a POW...