If Michael Moore's Movies Are Propaganda So are.... - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

SomeCreep · 05-06-2004, 01:46 AM

150 movies

theking · 05-06-2004, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
I say "Bowling for Columbine" IS a hahahahahahahahaary - how much of it is correct, true - or even just satire doesn't matter to me.

I like the movie. I've seen it twice. I bought it for someone for Christmas. It's entertaining. I think Michael Moore is funny.

I don't however find anything in it to be, as some call it, particularly educational or "eye-opening". Much of it is opinion backed up by anecdotes. It's not rigorous (nor is it intended to be). In short, it's not science.

The film does describe a "problem" but there's nothing new there. There's a large body of work on the subject and nearly all of it is of a higher standard than "Columbine". "Columbine" is entertainment. It does not attempt to describe nor even outline and explain the nearly universal rise in crime rates beginning in 1961 in western countries. It does not mention the precipitous drop in the US homicide rate starting in the early 1990s. It does not mention nor attempt to explain why the US homicide rate is about the same today as it was in 1913 - that it rose and fell. It does not mention - as far as I remember - the huge racial gap in the US homicide rate and attempt to explain how that fits his thesis. Maybe he thinks urban youth watch the news more? He did not compare and contrast news broadcasts in various parts of the world.

Why? Because he's an entertainer and a comedian who hahahahahas books with "dude" in the title. Funny guy.

I too enjoy his films and books and you are correct...an entertainer...who has found a money making niche...which is what he is about...nothing more than that.

jayeff · 05-06-2004, 03:21 AM

Curious how most posters are totally ignoring the statement which opened this thread: "If Michael Moore's Movies Are Propaganda So are all the other Hollywood movies with bullshit historical refernces."

Fletch did not say Moore's movies were not propaganda (which is actually a pretty harsh word for something that expresses an opinion), nor did he make any claims for the accuracies or otherwise of Moore's movies.

It's equally curious that most of the posts attacking Moore and BFC take issue with the classification of his movies as d o cumentaries, rather than addressing either his opinions or what he claimed as facts. Shoot the messenger if it makes you feel better, but the message remains the same.

Then there is "theking". Someone who regularly claims not to be a Republican, yet jumps on every thread that could be seen as remotely critical of Republican policies, always responds with the predictable Republican clichés, and has not yet - unless I blinked at the wrong time - shown anything remotely approaching balance in his posts. Propaganda?

Mr. Marks · 05-06-2004, 03:56 AM

slackologist · 05-06-2004, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff
Curious how most posters are totally ignoring the statement which opened this thread: "If Michael Moore's Movies Are Propaganda So are all the other Hollywood movies with bullshit historical refernces."

Fletch did not say Moore's movies were not propaganda (which is actually a pretty harsh word for something that expresses an opinion), nor did he make any claims for the accuracies or otherwise of Moore's movies.

It's equally curious that most of the posts attacking Moore and BFC take issue with the classification of his movies as d o cumentaries, rather than addressing either his opinions or what he claimed as facts. Shoot the messenger if it makes you feel better, but the message remains the same.

It's a fact.. 'most posters' are not all that intelligent, it's not surprising the majority barely read beyond the thread title.

Moore is entertainment, yes. Why? Because this way he reaches people he otherwise could not have. This form of entertainment-documentary is the only way for Moore to push his messages into the broader public while keeping to the essential business rule K.I.S.S ( Keep It Simple Stupid ) for maximum 'osmosis' if you will.

OldJeff · 05-06-2004, 05:34 AM

Not sure if anyone said it but, Moore did not call Bowling a hahahahahahahahaary. The Acadamy did.

Moore just makes movies based on his opinions.

I am a card carrying member of the NRA (who does not own a single gun) and found nothing anti gun about Bowling, all I saw was some common sense questions like

Why does Canada have more guns per capita then the us, but less gun deaths ?

=^..^= · 05-06-2004, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuaShe
What about "saving private ryan"?

that is EXACTLY what i thought when i read the title of this thread
that was the BIGGEST load of US propaganda bullshit I have ever had the misfortune to sit thru in my entire life

- I'd rather watch News hour with jim Lehrer

Joe Citizen · 05-06-2004, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by =^..^=
that is EXACTLY what i thought when i read the title of this thread
that was the BIGGEST load of US propaganda bullshit I have ever had the misfortune to sit thru in my entire life

Yes, Saving Private Ryan was a fucking AWFUL film.

It's worst sin was that it was boring.

12clicks · 05-06-2004, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
All the other Hollywood movies with bullshit historical refernces.

TITANIC, so much TRUTH in that.

BAND OF BROTHERs - oh god can Hollywood make another movie about war and glorify it?

PEARL HARBOR - i bet the guys who went through the real deal loved that flick.

PLATOON - oh this movie is so real it makes me cry.

Dont forget TOM CRUISE as - THE LAST SAMARAI, yeah WHITE SAMARAIs who are 5'4" scare me and there is so much truth in this movie.

all the movies you let your kids watch are so FULL OF DISTORTED facts yet when Michael moores comees up with something its PROPAGANDA and people want to censor it.

hahaha you idiots make me laugh

get real

HOLLYWOOD IS ALL PROPAGANDA.

and I dont even like Michael Moore, just pointing out facts

I'm sure this was already said in this thread over and over but the whole passing Moore's drivel off as hahahahahahahahaary seems to keep idiots like yourself completely befuddled.

Peaches · 05-06-2004, 06:01 AM

Before I head off to the big city, re-read my original post here. I said I had no problem labeling the entire list FletchXXX gave as propaganda as well as BFC. I merely inserted MY opinion on MM's presentation of the movie to the public, which somehow became an entirely different debate.

slackologist · 05-06-2004, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by =^..^=
that is EXACTLY what i thought when i read the title of this thread
that was the BIGGEST load of US propaganda bullshit I have ever had the misfortune to sit thru in my entire life

- I'd rather watch News hour with jim Lehrer

Movies like this are common.. They are popular, they sell, they get funding, they get distribution. These movies stroke the ego of the inner-patriot within many Americans. It's an illusion, but they lap it up because it makes them feel good.

Corleone · 05-06-2004, 06:32 AM

i liked bowling for columbine..

most of the hollywood stuff is historical wrong

jayeff · 05-06-2004, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
I'm sure this was already said in this thread over and over but the whole passing Moore's drivel off as hahahahahahahahaary seems to keep idiots like yourself completely befuddled.

And of course as usual we can expect you to jump in with a few schoolyard insults, but not the slightest attempt to justify anything that you say.

GigaXXX · 05-06-2004, 06:51 AM

coool

05-06-2004, 01:46 AM	#151
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	150 movies __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

05-06-2004, 03:21 AM	#153
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Curious how most posters are totally ignoring the statement which opened this thread: "If Michael Moore's Movies Are Propaganda So are all the other Hollywood movies with bullshit historical refernces." Fletch did not say Moore's movies were not propaganda (which is actually a pretty harsh word for something that expresses an opinion), nor did he make any claims for the accuracies or otherwise of Moore's movies. It's equally curious that most of the posts attacking Moore and BFC take issue with the classification of his movies as d o cumentaries, rather than addressing either his opinions or what he claimed as facts. Shoot the messenger if it makes you feel better, but the message remains the same. Then there is "theking". Someone who regularly claims not to be a Republican, yet jumps on every thread that could be seen as remotely critical of Republican policies, always responds with the predictable Republican clichés, and has not yet - unless I blinked at the wrong time - shown anything remotely approaching balance in his posts. Propaganda? Last edited by jayeff; 05-06-2004 at 03:23 AM..

05-06-2004, 06:51 AM	#164
GigaXXX Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 872	coool __________________ Free Domain Analysis Tool @ WebBoar.com. Domain worth, Same IP Domains, Google Analytics etc

05-06-2004, 03:56 AM	#154
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517

05-06-2004, 05:34 AM	#156
OldJeff Big Fucking hahahaha Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,088	Not sure if anyone said it but, Moore did not call Bowling a hahahahahahahahaary. The Acadamy did. Moore just makes movies based on his opinions. I am a card carrying member of the NRA (who does not own a single gun) and found nothing anti gun about Bowling, all I saw was some common sense questions like Why does Canada have more guns per capita then the us, but less gun deaths ?

05-06-2004, 06:01 AM	#160
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Before I head off to the big city, re-read my original post here. I said I had no problem labeling the entire list FletchXXX gave as propaganda as well as BFC. I merely inserted MY opinion on MM's presentation of the movie to the public, which somehow became an entirely different debate.

05-06-2004, 06:32 AM	#162
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	i liked bowling for columbine.. most of the hollywood stuff is historical wrong