Patriot Act = All your Freedoms are belong to Bush

World Press Freedom Ranked

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2354077.stm

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I don't think you understand what I am saying.

The chance that I could be a victim of gun violence in Australia is virtually ZERO.

Just free to knife you to death instead then, perhaps you can challenge the burglar to a dual - however my point is you are not "free" to the decision of owning a handgun, you are told you can not own one, is anyone truely free? there is laws to prohibit lots of things, laws made by the rich, protection for the rich etc. it's not who is the most free, it's who's government does not restrict the freedom of it's citizens the most?

What would we need handguns for in Australia?

once more missing the point, you do not have the "freedom" to own one, if you so wish - which was my point.

Last I heard, it was only certain handguns that are illegal in Australia, not all handguns.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

When you give me your dissertation and premise behind FDR's New deal, I'll comment.....I'm watching the Last samuri...catch you tomorrow.

You are missing my point.

We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

We've simply traded one freedom for another.

All handguns are banned.

Farmers are entitled to have rifles because they need them but they must be registered.

You can trade freedom? was the "freedom" of not owning a hand gun put to a poplar vote, or was it made into law, by the government?

This whole gun thing is a ghey argument anyway.

You're not free to murder anyone or steal stuff either.

There's somethings that you're just not free to do.

Move on already.

The US has guns. Australia doesn't.
Australia has kangaroo riding. The US doesn't.

Agreed? Ok, great... next topic?

In They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45, Milton Mayer wrote about how the German people kept believing they were still free while the Nazis were tightening their control and extending their power over every facet of life. At first people refused to see the obvious, because the infringements on their freedom were coming in small steps. Each of those small steps, on its own, seemed to be no big deal, nothing to rebel against. But by the time you could no longer ignore the big picture, it was too late.

So you have no problem sacrificing one freedom so long as you receive another freedom?

Interesting. Cool.

It was made into law by the government about 8 years ago and has wide popular support.

As a result, rates of gun violence have fallen to virtually zero.

In 2001, the rate of murder by firearm was 0.3 persons per 100,000.

We have traded the freedom to own a handgun for freedom from gun violence.

Sure we do! Just go to the zoo and hop on.

If the government decides it needs more troops to build and maintain its empire, can you refuse to go if it calls for you? Will they leave you alone if you tell them you won?t kill and die for them? Can you simply ignore the draft, without consequence?

NZ is pretty liberal.......

Holland.. they're allowed to smoke weed:thumbsup

In some US states fellation and sodomy are forbidden...
Is that what you call a free country when you re not allowed to fuck the way you want with your boy-girlfriend ?

100 free countries

And in most states its still illegal to spit on the sidewalk... ridiculous laws do not accurately reflect FREEDOM.

No country is TRULY free and IMO there are many countries on par with mine (The US).

Stupid psudo-patriotic flame wars are retarded so are the people who have never lived here being "player haters"

Freedom is relative and You can be falsely accused and imprisoned in ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.