Never said I knew more about freedom then you.

Spin spin spin baby....

You are the one who questioned my post...

Quick quick, i want to go to bed, answer me and then you can continue to play with Joe.

IF the usa had a flat tax and got rid of emminant domain to steal your property I would say yes to the us.

Having traveled to many countries I have not felt truely free unless you are very wealthy.

Wealth and having political influence brings more freedoms than the normal population.

Switzerland?

Free to own a handgun?

Battuss, you are only 27y/o....when you are in your 40's like me, come talk to me and educate me on life's experiences. As far as I'm concerned, you are still wet behind the ears and couldn't enlighten me in any way, shape or form.

While you are still walking there, I have been there and back several times.

mexico

you can do just about anything there without the cops getting on your ass.

Ok thanks, i almost was afraid you had something useful to say but youre just full of shit and acting like yet another proud american who knows nothing about anything just what he sees in his backyard.

Nighty night.

:thumbsup

still none of the above :Graucho

Nah, I don't want to play with Headless!

I'm only a tourist in this thread!

:glugglug

and this doesnt happen in the US?

I think a pre-requisite to posting in this thread ought to be that you have actually visited other countries than your own.

in florida - people can ride motorcycles without a helmet but i can get a ticket for driving without a fucking seatbelt. the us puts junkies in jail, in holland they focus more on rehabilitation. it has a lot more to do with the smoking weed and hookers - many european countries are light years ahead of america in many ways

How about freedom from gun violence?

I guess we are in the same boat since you make accusations with baseless second hand info. :thumbsup

Why you keep attacking me dude? Put words in my mouth? I only said America isnt the most free country in the world. Are you really offended by this? I had a friendly chat with brainless and you just keep busting my balls and act like im said things which i didnt say.

So whats your problem...quick i REALLY want to go to bed now.

i think australia is pretty good, probably not the most free, but thats not always a bad thing, ie we are not free to carry semi automatic weapons around, i consider this a plus.

There are a few censorship laws that piss me off, but they dont apply to the whole country, just to some of that states

Arghhh ok 1 last post while i wait for Alex.

You are really comparing your view on freedom with mine?

Lets see:

You: Never been outside the US.

Me: Been to the US several times, in several cities in several states plus at least 10 other countries in the world.

Ok...before you post again read this over and over again till you get the hint.

Yeah well I've been to 28 countries and gotten wasted in all of them. :winkwink:

Its funny how you are so sure of yourself. Meanwhile I have never given you the info you need to make such statements...

You sure did a good job when you were here.

no one is immune to gun violence, and you know why? because people were killing people long before guns were invented, it didn't happen the minute a flintlock rifle was invented - and no matter how tightly controlled guns are, they are still used in commission of a crime - by criminals.

Amsterdam is special to me.

Oh please negro...

So youve been to other countries but you wont tell me hahahah.

You already proven you stupidity once in this thread no need to do it again.



Alex??

HAHAHA the only thing I have proven is that you are a moron. Only morons take what they read or hear from other ppl as fact.

So far we have USA, Canada, Netherlands, and Australia

Anyone else?

Bye cluecless.

Alex dissapeared to avoid looking stupid...something you shouldve done as well few posts ago.

Ok its exactly 6 in the morning im going to bed now.

AMERICA - Home of the brave land of the free!!!
WOohoO

You are dead wrong.

Our rates of firearm violence are tiny compared to yours.

UK citizens aren't free to own handguns, but Americans aren't free to travel to Cuba. Does this balance out?

Discuss.

but gun violence exists? so who are these people who break the law and use these weapons?

I wouldn't like to live in a society that only the criminals are free to own weapons.

Free to go to bed and not have to worry about some motherfucker coming into your house with a handgun and robbing your arse.

The United States has a very strong Constitutional protection of free speech, but it's useless if someone like Bush appoints activist right wing Supreme Court justices who re-interpret the constitution to suit their political goals.

Patriot Act = All your Freedoms are belong to Bush

World Press Freedom Ranked

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2354077.stm

Read and discuss.

I don't think you understand what I am saying.

The chance that I could be a victim of gun violence in Australia is virtually ZERO.

Just free to knife you to death instead then, perhaps you can challenge the burglar to a dual - however my point is you are not "free" to the decision of owning a handgun, you are told you can not own one, is anyone truely free? there is laws to prohibit lots of things, laws made by the rich, protection for the rich etc. it's not who is the most free, it's who's government does not restrict the freedom of it's citizens the most?

What would we need handguns for in Australia?

once more missing the point, you do not have the "freedom" to own one, if you so wish - which was my point.

Last I heard, it was only certain handguns that are illegal in Australia, not all handguns.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

When you give me your dissertation and premise behind FDR's New deal, I'll comment.....I'm watching the Last samuri...catch you tomorrow.

You are missing my point.

We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

We've simply traded one freedom for another.

All handguns are banned.

Farmers are entitled to have rifles because they need them but they must be registered.

You can trade freedom? was the "freedom" of not owning a hand gun put to a poplar vote, or was it made into law, by the government?

This whole gun thing is a ghey argument anyway.

You're not free to murder anyone or steal stuff either.

There's somethings that you're just not free to do.

Move on already.

The US has guns. Australia doesn't.
Australia has kangaroo riding. The US doesn't.

Agreed? Ok, great... next topic?

In They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45, Milton Mayer wrote about how the German people kept believing they were still free while the Nazis were tightening their control and extending their power over every facet of life. At first people refused to see the obvious, because the infringements on their freedom were coming in small steps. Each of those small steps, on its own, seemed to be no big deal, nothing to rebel against. But by the time you could no longer ignore the big picture, it was too late.

So you have no problem sacrificing one freedom so long as you receive another freedom?

Interesting. Cool.

It was made into law by the government about 8 years ago and has wide popular support.

As a result, rates of gun violence have fallen to virtually zero.

In 2001, the rate of murder by firearm was 0.3 persons per 100,000.

We have traded the freedom to own a handgun for freedom from gun violence.

Sure we do! Just go to the zoo and hop on.

If the government decides it needs more troops to build and maintain its empire, can you refuse to go if it calls for you? Will they leave you alone if you tell them you won?t kill and die for them? Can you simply ignore the draft, without consequence?

NZ is pretty liberal.......

Holland.. they're allowed to smoke weed:thumbsup

In some US states fellation and sodomy are forbidden...
Is that what you call a free country when you re not allowed to fuck the way you want with your boy-girlfriend ?