PPC traffic guys: Tips thread (contribute and learn) - GoFuckYourself.com

BradM · 05-01-2004, 10:27 PM

Okay, I know some of you fuckers don't like to share your tips. Try to keep them secret and stealth like.

Well I like to share mine ;)

How do YOU get your PPC traffic to convert? Do you send it right to the sponsor or do you send it to a gallery, or send it to an FPA?
An FPA with text? A gallery with pics or movies..?

These are just some questions you can quickly and generall answer.

Personally I make my title and description as non-clicky as possible, so only those who READ the whole thing will want to click. Once clicked they are sent to an FPA with text description. (almost like a review)

The other way I do it is to make a mini review site of a couple sites and let the surfer decide. I also throw on some upsells like pills, pumps and dating.

Also who do you use for your traffic?
Findwhat and sex.com are excellent ppc engines in my experience.

Don't be shy folks let's hear what you have to say.

dropped9 · 05-01-2004, 10:30 PM

You have to pre-qualify like a mofo... Just like you said... I bought some traffic from google and goto in the past... always turned a buck on it...

BradM · 05-01-2004, 10:49 PM

bump above everyone talking about prozac and "hitting it"

ZeroFate · 05-01-2004, 10:59 PM

my tip:

target the hell out of your ad. one wrong word can bring in hundreds of wasted clicks.

that is my one and only tip, I want to keep my 1:150-200 conversion ratio.

05-01-2004, 10:59 PM

sending your traffic to a HPA or FPA really improves the signup ratio

Jon · 05-01-2004, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Headless
You have to pre-qualify like a mofo... Just like you said... I bought some traffic from google and goto in the past... always turned a buck on it...

Aww that's cute! You still call it GoTo..

BradM · 05-01-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Aww that's cute! You still call it GoTo..

So do I. Overture is the worst name I have ever heard of. What the HELL is an "Overture". Grrrrr.

Jon · 05-01-2004, 11:12 PM

Alright, BradM has a point and I'll help him out..

Google AdWords - BEST PPC for Adult in my opinion.

Don't just churn out your messages on the fly, pick out some keywords, juice some cash into the campaign and let it rip. You will LOSE your investment. Take the time out, research your terms, make 1-2 ad groups per 10-15 keywords. Spread everything out, keep tabs on it constantly and aim for CTR's of 3% or higher just to start out with (my avg is 8%-11%, but I have pulled off as high as 19% for some campaigns).

BradM · 05-01-2004, 11:14 PM

Nite: You only say that cause you work for them. ;)

Jon · 05-01-2004, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by BradM
Nite: You only say that cause you work for them. ;)

Hahahahaa!!

I still use them for adult.. I've used OV, but their rates are insane, and Google actually rewards you for achieving a higher CTR.

Overture - The more you bid, the higher up on the site we'll put you, therefor more clicks! (and more money for us!)

AdWords - The higher your CTR, the less you have to pay, and the higher we'll put you on the AdWords SERPs. (we like relevancy and cash too to keep you happy!)

Google Wins!

candidpublishinginc · 05-01-2004, 11:44 PM

I remember there was a search engine (possibly goto) that showed what keywords surfers were searching for. So if you typed "sex" it would show all the sex combos out there.

Is there still anything like that out there?

BSleazy · 05-01-2004, 11:45 PM

My first PPC experience: Turned $100 into about $450

Jon · 05-01-2004, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by candidpublishinginc
I remember there was a search engine (possibly goto) that showed what keywords surfers were searching for. So if you typed "sex" it would show all the sex combos out there.

Is there still anything like that out there?

Yes.

Overture (formerly GoTo)

http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/

Jon · 05-01-2004, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BCyber
My first PPC experience: Turned $100 into about $450

Which engine?

Martin · 05-01-2004, 11:51 PM

I always did pretty good sending right to the sponsor..

herbal logic · 05-01-2004, 11:54 PM

depends on keywords of course, But I've always found ppc management companies to be a good value. some keywords you can churn a few k a day...... if you don't watch it 24/7 you're screwed

Jon · 05-01-2004, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin
I always did pretty good sending right to the sponsor..

It varies.. and also depends on the niche..

For a tougher niche to convert, something like Teens you definitely need a buffer page, with something to catch the eye of the surfer who you just paid for, and to get them to clickthrough to the actual sponsor and hopefully convert.

Jon · 05-01-2004, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by herbal logic
depends on keywords of course, But I've always found ppc management companies to be a good value. some keywords you can churn a few k a day...... if you don't watch it 24/7 you're screwed

Yeah that's about the only thing I still do for clients these days..

candidpublishinginc · 05-01-2004, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Yes.

Overture (formerly GoTo)

http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/

Awesome. Thanks.

I heard google used to offer "special" ad campaigns for clients who spend more than $15k a month do they still do this?

We will soon be testing out a new product never before seen by any surfer and we intend on buying at least $50 to $60 grand a month in traffic from various sources (search engine, TGP, etc).

Sly_RJ · 05-01-2004, 11:59 PM

Do you guys only do PPS or can recurring work out well too? And if recurring does work, trial or no-trial?

ZeroFate · 05-02-2004, 12:02 AM

sly, if you want any ppc info you know you can fire off a message on icq.

i'm willing to spill the beans to you because you're a cool guy.

candidpublishinginc · 05-02-2004, 12:03 AM

Oh I got another question.

With google adwords can you buy click traffic from a certain country to better customize the ad?

Sly_RJ · 05-02-2004, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZeroFate
sly, if you want any ppc info you know you can fire off a message on icq.

i'm willing to spill the beans to you because you're a cool guy.

I'm going to take you up on your offer when I get back from Atlanta. There's something I want to conquer.

Thanks!

bdld · 05-02-2004, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by candidpublishinginc
Oh I got another question.

With google adwords can you buy click traffic from a certain country to better customize the ad?

yes you choose the countries where your ads are shown.

Jon · 05-02-2004, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by candidpublishinginc
Awesome. Thanks.

I heard google used to offer "special" ad campaigns for clients who spend more than $15k a month do they still do this?

We will soon be testing out a new product never before seen by any surfer and we intend on buying at least $50 to $60 grand a month in traffic from various sources (search engine, TGP, etc).

Google phased out the "sponsored listings" in Nov '03.. they are no longer accepting new advertisers, only AdWords, but if you are going to become a large advertiser, there are A LOT of "special treatment" perks for ya. ICQ me and I'll let you know.

Ecstasy Glass · 05-02-2004, 01:03 AM

The search term suggestion tool from overature is the shit.

Jon · 05-02-2004, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by Ecstasy Glass
The search term suggestion tool from overature is the shit.

Yeeeup!

BSleazy · 05-02-2004, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Which engine?

Pay me $10,000/week to tell ya

KaLi · 05-02-2004, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
Okay, I know some of you fuckers don't like to share your tips. Try to keep them secret and stealth like.

Well I like to share mine ;)

How do YOU get your PPC traffic to convert? Do you send it right to the sponsor or do you send it to a gallery, or send it to an FPA?
An FPA with text? A gallery with pics or movies..?

These are just some questions you can quickly and generall answer.

Personally I make my title and description as non-clicky as possible, so only those who READ the whole thing will want to click. Once clicked they are sent to an FPA with text description. (almost like a review)

The other way I do it is to make a mini review site of a couple sites and let the surfer decide. I also throw on some upsells like pills, pumps and dating.

Also who do you use for your traffic?
Findwhat and sex.com are excellent ppc engines in my experience.

Don't be shy folks let's hear what you have to say.

You shouldve just asked me. I always kick ass in PPC

ZeroFate · 05-02-2004, 01:49 AM

PPC is great if you take the time to figure out what the hell you're doing. It's a mess if you just throw up an ad in 5 minutes. Im quietly going along making my $60 a day with some adwords campaigns that are literally running on auto-pilot.

I should get my ass in gear and expand!

BradM · 05-02-2004, 01:50 AM

Zero: Sounds like you know what you're doing. Good on you.

candidpublishinginc · 05-02-2004, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Google phased out the "sponsored listings" in Nov '03.. they are no longer accepting new advertisers, only AdWords, but if you are going to become a large advertiser, there are A LOT of "special treatment" perks for ya. ICQ me and I'll let you know.

What is the difference between sponsored listings and adwords? Sure I'll fire off an ICQ to you.

candidpublishinginc · 05-02-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ecstasy Glass
The search term suggestion tool from overature is the shit.

That sounds the only good thing overature has....or have they gotten a bit better?

KaLi · 05-02-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZeroFate
PPC is great if you take the time to figure out what the hell you're doing. It's a mess if you just throw up an ad in 5 minutes. Im quietly going along making my $60 a day with some adwords campaigns that are literally running on auto-pilot.

I should get my ass in gear and expand!

Hey Zero, hit me up on ICQ when you get a chance. Thanks!

Jon · 05-02-2004, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by candidpublishinginc
What is the difference between sponsored listings and adwords? Sure I'll fire off an ICQ to you.

Sponsored Listings appeared directly on top of the regular Google listings, usually in shaded colors such as green, purple, pink, blue..

AdWords appear on the right hand side, maximum 8 boxes per page.

The difference was budget I suppose. Sponsored listings were paid on a CPM basis of something like $15 (depends on the industry) and AdWords is strictly Pay Per Click.

ZeroFate · 05-02-2004, 02:23 AM

actually, you could get a sponsored listing if you had a REALLY good ctr. I used to run some mortgage campaigns and occasionally my ad made its way to to coveted colored box. Let me tell you though...it actually SUCKS. you get so many worthless clicks this way.

ZeroFate · 05-02-2004, 02:25 AM

kali, ill msg you in the morning! (well, its 2:24am here, so it technically is morning..)

KaLi · 05-02-2004, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZeroFate
kali, ill msg you in the morning! (well, its 2:24am here, so it technically is morning..)

ZeroFate · 05-02-2004, 02:32 AM

if you guys want a really good tool for keyword research check out adwords analyzer. I use it, and it REALLY saves alot of time. Yes, im going to spam my ref code, but this tool will pay for itself after 2 signups and makes keyword research cake.

! spam !
http://www.xybercode.com/ezGaffurl.p...jlesmith&pid=1
! spam !

gwilkins · 05-02-2004, 04:53 AM

Awesome info guys. You can have my first born in trade

polish_aristocrat · 05-02-2004, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Which engine?

better question: which year?

polish_aristocrat · 05-02-2004, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV

Don't just churn out your messages on the fly, pick out some keywords, juice some cash into the campaign and let it rip. You will LOSE your investment. Take the time out, research your terms, make 1-2 ad groups per 10-15 keywords. Spread everything out, keep tabs on it constantly and aim for CTR's of 3% or higher just to start out with (my avg is 8%-11%, but I have pulled off as high as 19% for some campaigns).

You get 3 or even 10% ctr with Ad Words?
Must be with keywords that you are the only advertiser.
or you have ads that say "click heere for free teen sex".
But seriously, if you get such high CTR, you must be either using very rare keywords or be the top bidder for they keywords you bid for. And if you are bidding much, then you must have extremely detailed ad descriptions, stating the trial price etc.
And if you state the pice, then you wo't get such hight CTR...

so what i am missing ?

polish_aristocrat · 05-02-2004, 05:05 AM

To ZeroFate - i replied to your thread from 10 days ago and said i would ICQ you.
I had forgotten about that but i still have some questions...
I am not a totally newbie to PPC, but i want to ask you something about Ad Words, I hope you don't mind.

ZeroFate · 05-02-2004, 05:17 AM

i am up for adwords discussion! i like helping some people not blow $1,000.

I just dont like posting EVERYTHING on a board in which 1,000,000 people read and can steal the good ideas.

polish_aristocrat · 05-02-2004, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZeroFate
i am up for adwords discussion! i like helping some people not blow $1,000.

I just dont like posting EVERYTHING on a board in which 1,000,000 people read and can steal the good ideas.

THANKS, I WILL ICQ YOU TOMMOROW, OK ?

rowan · 05-02-2004, 05:24 AM

How do you guys get enough volume to be useful?

I haven't had much experience with PPC, but buying exclusively from google only I would have only made about 5-6 sales per month. The conversion rate was reasonable (I think it was about 1:120), but the clicks were sparse. A TGP gallery spot or two would have made more sales for a similar or lower advertising cost.

pradaboy · 05-02-2004, 07:17 AM

Is anyone offering some 1on1 advice on PPC... AdWords preff.?

I've been running some campaigns but I think I'm doing something wrong... anyone willing to help me out?

ZeroFate · 05-02-2004, 12:09 PM

thats the only tough thing about adwords. Your click volume can be pretty low if your keywords are kinda rare. I generate about 300-400 clicks a day and pull in 2-3 sales. I'm looking for ways to expand but I dont like spending more that 6 cents a click.

$100 a day would make me happy. I'd be able to not have to work and focus on college, which is a bitch when you work all the damn time at some shitty job!

BradM · 05-02-2004, 12:58 PM

I've had adwords that click 5%. You just have to have a good set of keywords- and make the ad as targetted as possible.

polish_aristocrat · 05-03-2004, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
THANKS, I WILL ICQ YOU TOMMOROW, OK ?

shit, i live in the EU now

and they are going to charge me VAT tax

I don't own a company as of today, so i guess i won't be able to get it back.
So i guess i have to forgot about Ad Words

05-01-2004, 10:27 PM	#1
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	PPC traffic guys: Tips thread (contribute and learn) Okay, I know some of you fuckers don't like to share your tips. Try to keep them secret and stealth like. Well I like to share mine ;) How do YOU get your PPC traffic to convert? Do you send it right to the sponsor or do you send it to a gallery, or send it to an FPA? An FPA with text? A gallery with pics or movies..? These are just some questions you can quickly and generall answer. Personally I make my title and description as non-clicky as possible, so only those who READ the whole thing will want to click. Once clicked they are sent to an FPA with text description. (almost like a review) The other way I do it is to make a mini review site of a couple sites and let the surfer decide. I also throw on some upsells like pills, pumps and dating. Also who do you use for your traffic? Findwhat and sex.com are excellent ppc engines in my experience. Don't be shy folks let's hear what you have to say.

05-01-2004, 10:59 PM	#4
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	my tip: target the hell out of your ad. one wrong word can bring in hundreds of wasted clicks. that is my one and only tip, I want to keep my 1:150-200 conversion ratio. __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet!

05-01-2004, 11:12 PM	#8
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	Alright, BradM has a point and I'll help him out.. Google AdWords - BEST PPC for Adult in my opinion. Don't just churn out your messages on the fly, pick out some keywords, juice some cash into the campaign and let it rip. You will LOSE your investment. Take the time out, research your terms, make 1-2 ad groups per 10-15 keywords. Spread everything out, keep tabs on it constantly and aim for CTR's of 3% or higher just to start out with (my avg is 8%-11%, but I have pulled off as high as 19% for some campaigns). __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine... Last edited by Jon; 05-01-2004 at 11:14 PM..

05-01-2004, 11:44 PM	#11
candidpublishinginc Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bedford, NH 03110 Posts: 707	I remember there was a search engine (possibly goto) that showed what keywords surfers were searching for. So if you typed "sex" it would show all the sex combos out there. Is there still anything like that out there? __________________ Candid Clicks Earn up to 4 cents a click for blind link traffic! NO CONVERSIONS, NO BS!

05-01-2004, 11:45 PM	#12
BSleazy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,721	My first PPC experience: Turned $100 into about $450 __________________ icq 156131086

05-01-2004, 10:30 PM	#2
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	You have to pre-qualify like a mofo... Just like you said... I bought some traffic from google and goto in the past... always turned a buck on it...

05-01-2004, 10:49 PM	#3
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	bump above everyone talking about prozac and "hitting it"

05-01-2004, 10:59 PM	#5
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	sending your traffic to a HPA or FPA really improves the signup ratio

05-01-2004, 11:14 PM	#9
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Nite: You only say that cause you work for them. ;)

05-01-2004, 11:51 PM	#15
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	I always did pretty good sending right to the sponsor.. __________________

05-01-2004, 11:54 PM	#16
herbal logic Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,172	depends on keywords of course, But I've always found ppc management companies to be a good value. some keywords you can churn a few k a day...... if you don't watch it 24/7 you're screwed

05-01-2004, 11:59 PM	#20
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Do you guys only do PPS or can recurring work out well too? And if recurring does work, trial or no-trial? __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

05-02-2004, 12:02 AM	#21
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	sly, if you want any ppc info you know you can fire off a message on icq. i'm willing to spill the beans to you because you're a cool guy. __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet!

05-02-2004, 12:03 AM	#22
candidpublishinginc Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bedford, NH 03110 Posts: 707	Oh I got another question. With google adwords can you buy click traffic from a certain country to better customize the ad? __________________ Candid Clicks Earn up to 4 cents a click for blind link traffic! NO CONVERSIONS, NO BS!

05-02-2004, 01:03 AM	#26
Ecstasy Glass Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 315	The search term suggestion tool from overature is the shit. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

05-02-2004, 01:49 AM	#30
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	PPC is great if you take the time to figure out what the hell you're doing. It's a mess if you just throw up an ad in 5 minutes. Im quietly going along making my $60 a day with some adwords campaigns that are literally running on auto-pilot. I should get my ass in gear and expand! __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet!

05-02-2004, 01:50 AM	#31
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Zero: Sounds like you know what you're doing. Good on you.

05-02-2004, 02:23 AM	#36
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	actually, you could get a sponsored listing if you had a REALLY good ctr. I used to run some mortgage campaigns and occasionally my ad made its way to to coveted colored box. Let me tell you though...it actually SUCKS. you get so many worthless clicks this way. __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet!

05-02-2004, 02:25 AM	#37
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	kali, ill msg you in the morning! (well, its 2:24am here, so it technically is morning..) __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet! Last edited by ZeroFate; 05-02-2004 at 02:26 AM..

05-02-2004, 02:32 AM	#39
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	if you guys want a really good tool for keyword research check out adwords analyzer. I use it, and it REALLY saves alot of time. Yes, im going to spam my ref code, but this tool will pay for itself after 2 signups and makes keyword research cake. ! spam ! http://www.xybercode.com/ezGaffurl.p...jlesmith&pid=1 ! spam ! __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet!

05-02-2004, 04:53 AM	#40
gwilkins Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 744	Awesome info guys. You can have my first born in trade

05-02-2004, 05:05 AM	#43
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	To ZeroFate - i replied to your thread from 10 days ago and said i would ICQ you. I had forgotten about that but i still have some questions... I am not a totally newbie to PPC, but i want to ask you something about Ad Words, I hope you don't mind. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

05-02-2004, 05:17 AM	#44
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	i am up for adwords discussion! i like helping some people not blow $1,000. I just dont like posting EVERYTHING on a board in which 1,000,000 people read and can steal the good ideas. __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet!

05-02-2004, 05:24 AM	#46
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	How do you guys get enough volume to be useful? I haven't had much experience with PPC, but buying exclusively from google only I would have only made about 5-6 sales per month. The conversion rate was reasonable (I think it was about 1:120), but the clicks were sparse. A TGP gallery spot or two would have made more sales for a similar or lower advertising cost.

05-02-2004, 07:17 AM	#47
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	Is anyone offering some 1on1 advice on PPC... AdWords preff.? I've been running some campaigns but I think I'm doing something wrong... anyone willing to help me out? __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

05-02-2004, 12:09 PM	#48
ZeroFate Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: If you knew, you'd be dead. Posts: 257	thats the only tough thing about adwords. Your click volume can be pretty low if your keywords are kinda rare. I generate about 300-400 clicks a day and pull in 2-3 sales. I'm looking for ways to expand but I dont like spending more that 6 cents a click. $100 a day would make me happy. I'd be able to not have to work and focus on college, which is a bitch when you work all the damn time at some shitty job! __________________ I'm not a sig whore.....yet!

05-02-2004, 12:58 PM	#49
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	I've had adwords that click 5%. You just have to have a good set of keywords- and make the ad as targetted as possible.