And day after day americans and UK become more and more hated everywhere. And UK face it it's only a matter of time before they're hit on their own soil (they even admitted it) and they deserve it in every single way.

no one said war is fair or civilized.
Even so, that is really disturbing.:(

Exactly. Germans made excuses during WW2 as well.

Odd that these are the only images/news of war crimes picked up by the media so far. There are - sounds like deliberately forgotten - issues involving at least 6 - 8 homicide cases of people while in US custody and under investigation by international orgs.

Although at different locations, the "common" element in all of them are that the captives were alone in cells and each was "ticked off" by (different) US military doctors as the cause of death being homicide.

It's ironical the CIA managed to find one such case in the last few days which they claim to be investigating. That's much like Adolf Eichman being the investigator into holocaust deaths - or there has been yet another failure of intelligence again with this agency. Honestly is not their prime attribute :winkwink:

Clearly there have been war crimes on both "sides" and fortunately several other independent organizations, with actual experience in this, are continuing their enquiries.

Now.. can anyone remember the reasons why the US Admin did not wish to be associated with the International Criminal Court??? As a reminder, tho not the "stated reason" - to cover the ass of the US Admin in event of war crimes (or so they thought), and secondly, alledgedly, to "protect US soldiers on the battlefield". That shows how sick and arrogant some are - their time will come.

I look at your sig and then I call you a dumbass

omg it's getting tougher and tougher down there...at least they keep investigating things like that, but I doubt wether they'll catch the responsibles for that...

i look at your sig and then i say it rocks.

Goose:

Some of the evidence is pretty clear cut and the "actual" cause of death established (ie.. not a heart attack but an action that caused this).

The US will have a chance to take action against the named people and nobody is going to mess either in the legal process or the final verdict. If however, no action is taken without a valid reason - all of these US citizens will have an international arrest warrant issued and can be detained in any almost country for trial at the International Criminal Court.

It was amusing to hear Bush spew some of his rhetoric about "invading" the ICC if US citizens were held there - stupid man!! :winkwink:

BTW.. there are still some warrants out for Kissinger - he kinda watches where he goes abroad. One country I can think of would have him in a courtroom within 24 hours if he ever stepped foot into their jurisdiction.

yes.. there's no excuse for this stuff.

if you're american you should be glad that this war is on. it takes all those ignorant assholes that WANT to kill and piss on people and puts them in iraq so you can go out to the bars and clubs at night and not worry about running into them like you would during peace time.

- Seth

It's only rumor till there is evidence and proof, especially photographic. Once that exists you can't deny it happens.

hhmm

TheSaint:

Mmm... no, the US did not "own up" to anything until it was thrust up Bush's ass. He was aware of this for some time.

I'm also sure he is also currently aware of many other issues, including murder, that are being handled by "third parties" who have, correctly, been "conservative" with public statements.

Wait till the allegations of war crimes really start and all the "self declared" evidence by US forces is presented to the press. It is "possible" Bush may "own up" to that when it happens.

There will always be war crimes, but it will be interesting to see how these are "actually" handled. If the volume is "usual", it does not say much for US forces.

They will be "handled" as they have always been "handled"...by the proper authorities...in this case by the military via military Court Martial...which constitutes the US owning up to it.

Thats disgusting. But the US soldiers apparently done a lot worse.

Its fucked up these people are doing this but we don't know the circumstances.

In every group there are a few idiots. But loook at what happened in falujja they hung people from the bridge so I can't say it was rght because it wasn't but you can't be on a soapbox and say the iraqis are angels.

please, DON"T! gulp! :glugglug

Goosebumps!!

theking:

Time will tell and others will be awating the result to see if it conforms to the expected standards. It is not "just" a matter of the "US owning up to it" - it is a matter of a legitimate prosecution (assuming there is solid evidence). Otherwise there will obviously be "repercussions" both at a government level and towards all individuals involved - else they better stay within US jurisdiction. That's how war crimes are "handled".

i hope the soldiers will get what they deserve
http://www.amnesty.at/todesstrafe/im...ctricchair.jpg

theking:

BTW.. It's past time for a few other war criminals living in the US and some clearly under the protection of the US government to be chucked out for trial?? Ya not reckon?? If it's not possible to even get to that stage - what credibility on others? :winkwink:

While on that subject.. care to address the warrants out for the arrest of that eminent foreign policy advisor, Kissinger? Can ya let him know a few people want to chat about some minor matters - it's just a few war crimes - next Tuesday OK? :1orglaugh

Sorry.. screw up:

That should read murder and genicide - there was not actually a declared "war" at the time - let's call em "crimes against humanity".

To the best of my knowledge American citizens are not required to answer to any "World" tribunal/court...thus are not in violation of American law.

fucking busters

Not gonna happen.

and thats fair?

You do have a point :)

You are an idiot ... or a kid ... but more likely an idiot kid.

"Fair" is subjective...but being American I approve of the policy.

.. i hope they'll get what they deserve:uhoh :zzwhip

So you admit that American's in charge of Iraq are no better than Hussain in charge of Iraq.

It is refreshing that you are not taking the moral high ground anymore.

Degrading:(

Did they thought people will be proud of them after seeing this? :BangBang:

Where is the justice in this world?

You bet!

fuckin disgraceful.

If you want to live like dogs, then they can eat and sleep on the floor.

-Pei-Mei

How about this information that no one is reporting? I'm not saying it's true but I'm sure the liberal media would love to slam the US mission in Iraq anyway they can:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm...name_page.html

'FAKE' CLAIMS OVER PHOTOS OF ARMY ABUSE

May 3 2004

DOUBTS have been cast on the authenticity of shocking images which show British troops abusing Iraqi captives. The pictures were leaked by two soldiers in the Queen's Lancashire Regiment.

They included an Iraqi prisoner being beaten and urinated on by a British soldier. But one expert questioned some of the details shown.

He said the rifle held by a soldier was the wrong type and lacked the sling with which it would be worn by serving troops.

In addition, he claimed a hat in the pictures was not of the sort worn by the regiment in Iraq.

The truck in which the scenes took place appeared to be of the wrong type and the alleged victim was neither dirty or injured, he said.

The pictures were published on Saturday by the Record's sister newspaper, the Daily Mirror.

Editor Piers Morgan rejected suggestions the photos were forgeries.

He said: 'The two serving members of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment who provided our photographs ... stand fully behind every word of their story, rebutting every question raised.

'They also stand by the complete veracity of the photographs.

'They also make a number of serious new allegations of improper conduct by British troops.'

Not so nice to see, not so nice to hear either.