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baddog 05-02-2004 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Webby


Hate to say it - but that sadly sums up the US. Say "Boo!" and you are a "criminal" or "unpatriotic". "Cummon guys - you swore and OATH to do *everything* you are told whether you agree or not and whether the action is criminal or not!" Nice OATH!! One for the brain dumbed again. I LIKE this "land of the free" :thumbsup

The only one that is "dumbed" here is you. No one forced anyone to enlist. What country do you live in? Is your military set up so that if a soldier does not agree with the order he has been given he does not have to do it?

I think not. dumbass

baddog 05-02-2004 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
so, the trials after WWII? should soldiers take responsiblity for there actions, or do you think the trials were a witchhunt, and they should not (be held accountable)?
I don't think you will find many privates, corporals and sergants that were put on trial. Only the uppper level command, unless they did something that was obviously something that was their own decision to do.

baddog 05-02-2004 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Webby
theking:





SO... An OATH is expected to do "whatever" and "whenever" whether this is a criminal or not and over which the "oathee" has no say?? Excuse me... but that is too close to the Third Reich for me!!


The soldiers in question were not ordered to do anything criminal, so what is your point? They became criminals when they went AWOL, just like with every other military on the face of the earth

Spunky 05-02-2004 12:01 PM

Ya take back your criminals,we don't need them:BangBang:

baddog 05-02-2004 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
Ya take back your criminals,we don't need them:BangBang:
send them back, we will gladly take them

Spunky 05-02-2004 12:05 PM

Our government has it's head up their ass most of the time anyways.No matter who is in charge we are fucked

xxxdesign-net 05-02-2004 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by baddog


WTF good is it to have a voluntary Army, if the soldiers get to pick and choose which battles and orders they will follow?



Thats it "VOLUNTARY" ! Whats the point of forcing anyone? Cant you find enough people that will VOLONTARILY go fight for you assumning that is for defending and portecting your country? What are you afraid that you need to force people? Yes its true... there's a salary issue... Take it all back if needed.. or 85%... But to put them in jail, for a long time, as worthless criminals!? LOL

That should be ANYONE's right to be able to decide if they'll go RISK THEIR lives or not for a war they firmly disagree with.... unless you can find me some better arguments that would justify such a measure....

:2 cents:

jimmyf 05-02-2004 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Thats it "VOLUNTARY" ! Whats the point of forcing anyone? Cant you find enough people that will VOLONTARILY go fight for you assumning that is for defending and portecting your country? What are you afraid that you need to force people? Yes its true... there's a salary issue... Take it all back if needed.. or 85%... But to put them in jail, for a long time, as worthless criminals!? LOL

That should be ANYONE's right to be able to decide if they'll go RISK THEIR lives or not for a war they firmly disagree with.... unless you can find me some better arguments that would justify such a measure....

:2 cents:


your army would be one fucked up mess, I swear some of you people live a life looking through rose colored glasses.

xxxdesign-net 05-02-2004 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
your army would be one fucked up mess, I swear some of you people live a life looking through rose colored glasses.

Think for a FUCKING SECOND!! If you dont want to fight... you lose all the money.. or around 85% of what you made in the military... then read my previous post... How will that be a mess??! what someone that doesnt want to fight would have to gain by joining the army!? Work for years and then get his salary taken away from him!?

To help you out... try expressing in your own words how it will be a mess.. that will force you to think...

theking 05-02-2004 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Think for a FUCKING SECOND!! If you dont want to fight... you lose all the money.. or around 85% of what you made in the military... then read my previous post... How will that be a mess??! what someone that doesnt want to fight would have to gain by joining the army!? Work for years and then get his salary taken away from him!?

To help you out... try expressing in your own words how it will be a mess.. that will force you to think...

Easy answer...this would cause a detioration of "discipline and good order" which is the backbone of any Army. Soldiers that take an Oath cannot be allowed to pick and choose what they will or will not do...period. Deserters violate a sworn Oath...thus are criminals...period.

baddog 05-02-2004 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Thats it "VOLUNTARY" ! Whats the point of forcing anyone? Cant you find enough people that will VOLONTARILY go fight for you assumning that is for defending and portecting your country? What are you afraid that you need to force people? Yes its true... there's a salary issue... Take it all back if needed.. or 85%... But to put them in jail, for a long time, as worthless criminals!? LOL

That should be ANYONE's right to be able to decide if they'll go RISK THEIR lives or not for a war they firmly disagree with.... unless you can find me some better arguments that would justify such a measure....

:2 cents:

You are really clueless aren't you? A volunteer army means it is not filled be a draft. People enlist voluntarily. It does not mean that they can come and go as they please.

Use your :2 cents: and buy a clue. While you are at it, find me any army, in any country, in all of time that has allowed soldiers to just desert when the going got tough.

baddog 05-02-2004 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
your army would be one fucked up mess, I swear some of you people live a life looking through rose colored glasses.
I think she is a chick. . . maybe she can use that as an excuse.


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