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  • DavePlays
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    • Jan 2003
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    #1

    Do You Want This Man For President ?

    Watching John Kerry tackle the issue of weapons of mass destruction.
    by Hugh Hewitt
    04/29/2004 12:00:00 AM


    After the "Train Wreck" on Meet The Press and Good Morning America, John Kerry took his tattered credibility to the friendly confines of Hardball, where a sympathetic and compliant Chris Matthews did his very best to help Kerry make it through at least one interview without wandering into bizarre asides, prolix dependent clauses, and baffling hedges.


    Below is the last question Mathews asked Kerry, and his answer:

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    Matthews: If there was an exaggeration of WMD, exaggeration of the danger, exaggeration implicitly of the connection to al Qaeda and 9/11, what's the motive for this, what's the "why?" Why did Bush and Cheney and the ideologues around take us to war? Why do you think they did it?

    Kerry: It appears, as they peel away the weapons of mass destruction issue, and--we may yet find them, Chris. Look, I want to make it clear: Who knows if a month from now, you find some weapons. You may. But you certainly didn't find them where they said they were, and you certainly didn't find them in the quantities that they said they were. And they weren't found, and I have talked to some soldiers who have come back who trained against the potential of artillery delivery, because artillery was the way they had previously delivered and it was the only way they knew they could deliver. Now we found nothing that is evidence of that kind of delivery, so the fact is that as you peel it away I think it comes down to this larger ideological and neocon concept of fundamental change in the region and who knows whether there are other motives with respect to Saddam Hussein, but they did it because they thought they could, and because they misjudged exactly what the reaction would be and what they could get away with.



    What did he say?


    I know this will bring the Bush bashers out of the woodwork. But considering how difficult it is to defend Kerry on his own merits, mindless bashing Bush is their only resort.......

    That is my opinion.

    Considering that everyone has already heard the President bashed and called every name in the book, if you feel compelled to reply, I have a proposal for you....

    Can you tell us why you think John Kerry would make the best President, but do it without mentioning or referring to Bush at all?
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  • Babagirls
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    #2
    im votin for Boneprone




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    • nathan_f
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      • Sep 2003
      • 3983

      #3
      lesser of two evils.

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      • ProfitPrograms
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        • Feb 2004
        • 1061

        #4
        ya but - what if you cannot run your fetishpit under bush?

        neither of them are 'perfect' need to get the lesser of 2 evils in there
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        • reynold
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          • Oct 2002
          • 51271

          #5
          I might not vote at all!

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          • The Truth Hurts
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            • Nov 2002
            • 15734

            #6
            Originally posted by DavePlays
            [B]
            Can you tell us why you think John Kerry would make the best President, but do it without mentioning or referring to Bush at all?
            Hannity tired that on some cunt the other day...
            and the third word out of her mouth was ...


















            wait for it.....






















            Bush.

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            • DavePlays
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              • Jan 2003
              • 1088

              #7
              Originally posted by ProfitPrograms
              ya but - what if you cannot run your fetishpit under bush?

              neither of them are 'perfect' need to get the lesser of 2 evils in there

              Sure I can, as I have been for the last 3 years.

              It and my other 5 sites are all legal.

              There is a big difference in what politicans say they "want...", or "would like to see...", or "would approve of..." a few months before an election and actually inacting and inforcing laws after the election.

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              • Snake Doctor
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                • Mar 2001
                • 13449

                #8
                Originally posted by DavePlays


                Can you tell us why you think John Kerry would make the best President, but do it without mentioning or referring to Bush at all?
                That's a ridiculous way to look at it. In any election you're given choices and you pick whom you think is best from the choices you are given.

                Saying why you think John Kerry would be "the best president" is a relative thing. The best out of which field?
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                • Headless
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                  • Jan 2001
                  • 26727

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DavePlays


                  Can you tell us why you think John Kerry would make the best President, but do it without mentioning or referring to Bush at all?

                  They cant man. Bunch of sorry motherfuckers on this board...

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                  • DavePlays
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1088

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ProfitPrograms
                    ya but - what if you cannot run your fetishpit under bush?

                    neither of them are 'perfect' need to get the lesser of 2 evils in there

                    And to be honest.... I think there are more important things to pick the "Leader of the Free World" on than his stance on internet porn, regardless of what I happen to do for a living. This business is not vital to anything but our pockets. Sorry.
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                    • DavePlays
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                      • Jan 2003
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Lenny2
                      That's a ridiculous way to look at it. In any election you're given choices and you pick whom you think is best from the choices you are given.

                      Saying why you think John Kerry would be "the best president" is a relative thing. The best out of which field?


                      BULL... I can mention Bush's strengths without mentioning anyone elses name, and without comparing him to anyone else, regardless of who he is running againt.

                      I didn't ask why you would vote for Kerry, (over Bush), in which case you might have a point. I just asked why you thought Kerry would make the best President - regardless of who he is running againt.
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                      • Mr. Marks
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                        • Jun 2001
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                        #12
                        I think I'll leave my ballot blank

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                        • DavePlays
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Headless
                          They cant man. Bunch of sorry motherfuckers on this board...


                          Not just this board - this question is being asked all over the country, and the Kerry supporters seem to be having trouble answering it. (Without saying Bush)

                          Seems it not the other way around however when it's ask of Bush supporters....
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                          • Paul Markham
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                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942

                            #14
                            Originally posted by nathan_f
                            lesser of two evils.
                            I agree, look at what Bush has done and what he will do.

                            But the more important question Americans should be asking is;

                            Why in the most powerful and richest in the world are you left to make a choice between two people to run that country who would have trouble running a Momma & Poppa organisation?

                            Look at the last choice, Dole or Bush. Why are Americans being asked to choose between sub standard men?



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                            • Snake Doctor
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                              • Mar 2001
                              • 13449

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DavePlays
                              And to be honest.... I think there are more important things to pick the "Leader of the Free World" on than his stance on internet porn, regardless of what I happen to do for a living. This business is not vital to anything but our pockets. Sorry.
                              You're absolutely right, a stance on internet porn has nothing to do with why you should pick a president.

                              I however, am worried about the supreme court. Our next president will most probably determine the make-up of the supreme court for the next decade or two. I'm worried about the civil rights of not only myself but my children and my future grandchildren if we get another couple of Thomas's or Scalia's on the bench.

                              I'm worried about the future of social security and medicare and would like to see steps made to ensure the long term stability of those programs other than "letting people put money in the stock market"

                              I'm worried about the $20,000 "birth tax" currently levied by this administration on every child in America. (That's what the 1 trillion dollar deficit we've run in the last 3 years breaks down to, every child in America will owe $20,000 for the fiscal irresponsibility of the last 3 years)

                              I'm worried about the state of foreign affairs and our standing in the world community. I believe that a new administration with a much less cavalier attitude is imperative to us getting the cooperation we need to win the war on terror and stabilize the situation in the middle east.

                              Also again I'll reiterate that its preposterous to ask someone to say why a candidate should be president without being able to compare him with who he's running against. If you'd have asked that question 72 years ago it would have been "Can you tell me why FDR should be president without mentioning Hoover?"
                              Well if Hoover hadn't screwed things up so horribly we wouldn't have needed a change. The same principle applies in 2004.
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                              • Paul Markham
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                                • Jun 2001
                                • 52942

                                #16
                                The other thing is to look at most of your election campaigns, how many of them are about opposition bashing. It's one of the most noticeable things to an outsider.

                                Way too much finger pointing at the opponent and not enough reasons to vote for the man speaking.



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                                • Lev
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                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 3545

                                  #17
                                  Kerry got my vote, he is not perfect, but at least he is better than that ape assclown Bush

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                                  • Snake Doctor
                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                    • Mar 2001
                                    • 13449

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DavePlays
                                    BULL... I can mention Bush's strengths without mentioning anyone elses name, and without comparing him to anyone else, regardless of who he is running againt.

                                    I didn't ask why you would vote for Kerry, (over Bush), in which case you might have a point. I just asked why you thought Kerry would make the best President - regardless of who he is running againt.
                                    You can do this now that he's been in office for 3 years and you have a track record of how he governs.
                                    But you couldn't have done this in 2000, all you could do at that point was look at his politics and see how they COMPARED to who he was running against.
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                                    • DavePlays
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                                      • Jan 2003
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Lenny2
                                      You're absolutely right, a stance on internet porn has nothing to do with why you should pick a president.

                                      I however, am worried about the supreme court. Our next president will most probably determine the make-up of the supreme court for the next decade or two. I'm worried about the civil rights of not only myself but my children and my future grandchildren if we get another couple of Thomas's or Scalia's on the bench.

                                      I'm worried about the future of social security and medicare and would like to see steps made to ensure the long term stability of those programs other than "letting people put money in the stock market"

                                      I'm worried about the $20,000 "birth tax" currently levied by this administration on every child in America. (That's what the 1 trillion dollar deficit we've run in the last 3 years breaks down to, every child in America will owe $20,000 for the fiscal irresponsibility of the last 3 years)

                                      I'm worried about the state of foreign affairs and our standing in the world community. I believe that a new administration with a much less cavalier attitude is imperative to us getting the cooperation we need to win the war on terror and stabilize the situation in the middle east.

                                      Also again I'll reiterate that its preposterous to ask someone to say why a candidate should be president without being able to compare him with who he's running against. If you'd have asked that question 72 years ago it would have been "Can you tell me why FDR should be president without mentioning Hoover?"
                                      Well if Hoover hadn't screwed things up so horribly we wouldn't have needed a change. The same principle applies in 2004.

                                      Valid concerns... just as they have been for a lot longer than just this administration.

                                      But where does Kerry fit it to that? Do you know, and mean know for a fact, what his stance is and what his plans are to address your concerns?
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                                      • DavePlays
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Lev
                                        Kerry got my vote, he is not perfect, but at least he is better than that ape assclown Bush

                                        You just couldn't do it could you?

                                        But excellant reasoning there!





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                                        • Rictor
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                                          • Jan 2001
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                                          #21
                                          Definitely the lesser of two evils.

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                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                            #22
                                            Once Kerry gets elected in November, will you right wingers start blowing up buildings again like you did in Oklahoma when Clinton was president?
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                                            • Paul Markham
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                                              • Jun 2001
                                              • 52942

                                              #23
                                              One of the reasons we have in this industry for voting for a Democrat is they traditionally take less from the working man, leaving him with more disposable cash.

                                              We as an industry rely on the masses buying our non essential product, screwing the many at the bottom is not good for us. Would you be happy to pay 10% more in taxes if you were making 30% more in wages?

                                              I believe Kerry would be better for the masses and better for us.

                                              Did not mention B**h once.



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                                              • DWB
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                                                • Jul 2003
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                                                #24
                                                Kerry will lift the travel ban to Cuba! That's good enough for me.

                                                Honestly, I would vote for Ron Jeremy if it meant getting Bush outta there.

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                                                • DavePlays
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                                                  • Jan 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                  You can do this now that he's been in office for 3 years and you have a track record of how he governs.
                                                  But you couldn't have done this in 2000, all you could do at that point was look at his politics and see how they COMPARED to who he was running against.

                                                  ALL THE YEARS Kerry has been in public office isn't good enough?

                                                  What he has said during the campaign has told you nothing?

                                                  His stance on the issues, what he has promised, his truthfullness - none of this tells you anything?

                                                  Nothing he did after VietNam has no effect on your opinion?

                                                  So the only way to "properly" judge a candidate for President is if he has already been President? And you can't come up with any reasons, based on ANYTHING, to make you think he would make the best President?




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                                                  • Mr.Fiction
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DavePlays
                                                    Not just this board - this question is being asked all over the country, and the Kerry supporters seem to be having trouble answering it. (Without saying Bush)
                                                    You started a thread supporting Bush by bashing Kerry and you don't want anyone in that thread who supports Kerry to bash Bush?

                                                    Have you ever looked up the word "hypocrite" in the dictionary?

                                                    Bush worshipping sheep are always good for a laugh.
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                                                    • DavePlays
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                      Once Kerry gets elected in November, will you right wingers start blowing up buildings again like you did in Oklahoma when Clinton was president?

                                                      A man with a sense of humor.....



                                                      Hillary in '08 !!!!
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                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DavePlays
                                                        A man with a sense of humor.....



                                                        Hillary in '08 !!!!
                                                        Hillary in '12, after Kerry's two terms! She can run against Arnold!
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                                                        • DavePlays
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                          You started a thread supporting Bush by bashing Kerry and you don't want anyone in that thread who supports Kerry to bash Bush?

                                                          Have you ever looked up the word "hypocrite" in the dictionary?

                                                          Bush worshipping sheep are always good for a laugh.

                                                          Get serious.

                                                          SORRY - But no I didn't.

                                                          I started a thread about a question and answer session with John Kerry, using his own words.

                                                          Then I basicly asked that Bush's name not even be mentioned.

                                                          And BELIEVE ME - there are PLENTY of Bush bashing threads on here - and it's always the same grammer school bully name calling by the same people repeating themselves week after week.
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                                                          • DavePlays
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                            Hillary in '12, after Kerry's two terms! She can run against Arnold!


                                                            You really don't understand the plan or the Democratic party do you?



                                                            But funny... very funny.
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                                                            • goBigtime
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by DavePlays

                                                              Can you tell us why you think John Kerry would make the best President, but do it without mentioning or referring to Bush at all?
                                                              Can you tell use why you think Saddam and the Baath party should have had their regime changed -- without referring to or mentioning Saddam or the Baath party at all?

                                                              Get fucking real.

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                                                              • JDog
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by DavePlays
                                                                Valid concerns... just as they have been for a lot longer than just this administration.

                                                                But where does Kerry fit it to that? Do you know, and mean know for a fact, what his stance is and what his plans are to address your concerns?
                                                                But I know that Bush, being the religious asshole he is, won't make the right descisions, without putting a bunch of religious people on the bench.

                                                                I myself, can only hope that Kerry would take care of these the right way, cause I know that Bush won't.

                                                                Look at the mess we've got our selves into? Because of Bush. We went from having the biggest surplus in history, to having the biggest deficet in history. All because Bush wants to be a cowboy and try and finish what his daddy didn't. Plus, I'm against this whole fucking war in Iraq, we have no right telling him how to run his country.

                                                                Apparently there are no WMD's, what would take a fucking year to find WMD's, if we knew where the fuck they are???

                                                                I personally just want to get Bush out of there, and HOPE that Kerry will make things better for the future. But I can't say that he will for sure, I can just hope!

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                                                                • Snake Doctor
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                                                                  • Mar 2001
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by DavePlays
                                                                  Valid concerns... just as they have been for a lot longer than just this administration.

                                                                  But where does Kerry fit it to that? Do you know, and mean know for a fact, what his stance is and what his plans are to address your concerns?
                                                                  Actually 2 of those 4 concerns are unique to this administration. (The supreme court and the state of foreign affairs)

                                                                  The social security thing has been a concern for some for quite some time, but the clock is winding down and action needs to be taken now.

                                                                  As for Kerry's stance on these issues....

                                                                  1) The supreme court. All you have to do is look at Kerry's voting record in the senate on judicial confirmations to know what type of judge he would appoint to the bench.

                                                                  2) Social Security - from issues2000.org....John Kerry plans to
                                                                  "Honor our commitment to seniors by ensuring the future solvency of Social Security and Medicare.
                                                                  Make structural reforms in Social Security and Medicare that slow their future cost growth, modernize benefits (including a prescription drug benefit for Medicare), and give beneficiaries more choice and control over their retirement and health security. "


                                                                  3) Fiscal Responsibility - I'm going to paraphrase here but in several speeches and interviews Senator Kerry has said that he plans to roll back the Bush tax cut for the wealthiest 1% of Americans, and supports the congressional resolution that states no new spending can occur without tax increases or cuts in other programs to pay for the new spending, also no tax cuts can be passed unless they are paid for in the same manner.

                                                                  4) State of foreign affairs - This one is a little too complex to post his entire position here, but if you're really interested here's a link to a speech he made to the council on foreign relations on this subject. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/100days/fp_facts.html
                                                                  His plans are almost identical to what I stated earlier.

                                                                  There are of course many more issues, and on some of them I disagree with the candidate I'm voting for. But overall I think Kerry is right for America and we desperately need a change in administrations.
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                                                                  • goBigtime
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                                                                    • Nov 2002
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    And you don't really want to argue the validity or responsibility of selecting "The lesser of two evils" do you Dave??
                                                                    Last edited by goBigtime; 04-30-2004, 11:26 PM.

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                                                                    • The Truth Hurts
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                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                      • 15734

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                      Once Kerry gets elected in November
                                                                      Lay off the crack when posting please.

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                                                                      • DavePlays
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                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 1088

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by charly
                                                                        One of the reasons we have in this industry for voting for a Democrat is they traditionally take less from the working man, leaving him with more disposable cash.

                                                                        We as an industry rely on the masses buying our non essential product, screwing the many at the bottom is not good for us. Would you be happy to pay 10% more in taxes if you were making 30% more in wages?

                                                                        I believe Kerry would be better for the masses and better for us.

                                                                        Did not mention B**h once.


                                                                        Thank You! Seriously. You did it.


                                                                        For what it's worth, my own (porn generated) income has gone up each of the 3 years Bush has been in office.
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                                                                        • newsdude
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Wow! The chance to choose between two evils!
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                                                                          • DavePlays
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by goBigtime
                                                                            Can you tell use why you think Saddam and the Baath party should have had their regime changed -- without referring to or mentioning Saddam or the Baath party at all?

                                                                            Get fucking real.

                                                                            How Fucking Lame....

                                                                            Did I ask to tell me why KERRY would make a good President without mentioning KERRY?


                                                                            Geeeeesh.... man you got to be able to do better than that?
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                                                                            • DavePlays
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by JDog
                                                                              But I know that Bush, being the religious asshole he is,
                                                                              jDoG


                                                                              NOT EVEN CLOSE - JUST COULDN'T DO IT COULD YOU?

                                                                              YOU LOSE!


                                                                              But thanks for a perfect example of what I am talking about.

                                                                              Does it mean that if Bush wasn't President, or YOU happened to like the currect Presidnt, that would make Kerry less qualified?


                                                                              Uh-huh.....
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                                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                • 13449

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by DavePlays
                                                                                ALL THE YEARS Kerry has been in public office isn't good enough?

                                                                                What he has said during the campaign has told you nothing?

                                                                                His stance on the issues, what he has promised, his truthfullness - none of this tells you anything?

                                                                                Nothing he did after VietNam has no effect on your opinion?

                                                                                So the only way to "properly" judge a candidate for President is if he has already been President? And you can't come up with any reasons, based on ANYTHING, to make you think he would make the best President?
                                                                                Oh ok, you want to talk about that stuff? Sure.

                                                                                Well let's see, after graduating from Yale John Kerry VOLUNTEERED to go to Vietnam.
                                                                                While there he received a silver star, bronze star with Combat V, and three purple hearts.

                                                                                Then when he returned he joined others to protest publicly against a war that we all know now was a mistake.

                                                                                After that he became a prosecutor in Massachusetts where he put the number two organized crime boss in New England behind bars and created the nation's first rape crisis crime unit.

                                                                                He is currently serving his 4th term in the senate where he has fought for women's reproductive rights, deficit reduction, reducing corporate welfare and government waste. He has also voted several times to invest more money in education, helped push through the campaign finance reform bill and served on the commerce, finance, and foreign relations committees.

                                                                                Now to ignore your request let's compare that to his opponent, your beloved GW Bush.

                                                                                Got into Yale with a C average because his father was an alumnus.

                                                                                Got to serve in the national guard during vietnam (which is something that lots of rich kids did at the time that poor kids couldn't do)

                                                                                Then he didn't even show up for duty all the time and managed to get out of his obligations early.

                                                                                He was drunk until he was 40. Then he found "the lord" and a good woman and settled down and changed his ways.

                                                                                Was elected Governor in the state where his father was a congressman.

                                                                                Oh yeah, he also has a "higher father" that he consults about whether or not to start a war.


                                                                                Gee, this is such a tough choice

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                                                                                • DavePlays
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                  Actually 2 of those 4 concerns are unique to this administration. (The supreme court and the state of foreign affairs)

                                                                                  You are either very young, or are you kidding me?

                                                                                  Those are two of the OLDEST issues around.

                                                                                  Every President in modern times has had to deal with the supreme court and foreign affairs for decades.
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                                                                                  • DavePlays
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                                                                                    #42

                                                                                    Well, no.

                                                                                    But then I never used the phrase, "The lesser of two evils" nor do I feel that is the situation - so I'm not sure why you think I would debate it , (I don't argue) with you.

                                                                                    or the completely non-bias Boston Herald.
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DavePlays
                                                                                      You are either very young, or are you kidding me?

                                                                                      Those are two of the OLDEST issues around.

                                                                                      Every President in modern times has had to deal with the supreme court and foreign affairs for decades.
                                                                                      Sure they've always been "issues" per se, but not in the context that I've said they were issues to me.

                                                                                      First of all the next president will appoint at least two new justices to the court, and we have not had a religious zealot like this one in the white house that I can recall.

                                                                                      As for foreign affairs, they wouldn't be any bigger an issue than anything else had this administration not been so cavalier and managed to piss of the rest of the world.

                                                                                      So in this election those two issues are unique.
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                        Oh ok, you want to talk about that stuff? Sure.


                                                                                        No man... I thought it was about how each trims his toe nails.


                                                                                        You did get through half of your reply within the "rules", but I swear I don't see any of it making me think I'd want him for President. Military service, even 6 months in VietNam isn't enough.
                                                                                        But then, that can be said about a lot of people.


                                                                                        He was a good protester.
                                                                                        But then, that can be said about a lot of people.


                                                                                        And personally, I've never met a State Prosecutor I liked....


                                                                                        4 terms in the senate is fairly impressive, his voting record is definitely open to debate, but then every senator's is depending on who you ask.


                                                                                        I just don't see any of that defining Kerry as a great President.
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by DavePlays
                                                                                          No man... I thought it was about how each trims his toe nails.


                                                                                          You did get through half of your reply within the "rules", but I swear I don't see any of it making me think I'd want him for President. Military service, even 6 months in VietNam isn't enough.
                                                                                          But then, that can be said about a lot of people.


                                                                                          He was a good protester.
                                                                                          But then, that can be said about a lot of people.


                                                                                          And personally, I've never met a State Prosecutor I liked....


                                                                                          4 terms in the senate is fairly impressive, his voting record is definitely open to debate, but then every senator's is depending on who you ask.


                                                                                          I just don't see any of that defining Kerry as a great President.
                                                                                          Last time I checked I didn't really care what you thought.

                                                                                          You seemed to have a problem with what I thought, and seem to think that there's no reason for anyone to vote for Kerry other than the fact that he's not Bush.

                                                                                          Well I just gave you several, and even a blind man can see that Kerry's resume is much more impressive than Bush's.
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I can think of a couple reasons off the top of my head.

                                                                                            Kerry won't drive the economy into the fucken shitter like the fuck head Bush has done.

                                                                                            And most importantly.

                                                                                            Kerry is not a war criminal.
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                              Last time I checked I didn't really care what you thought.

                                                                                              You seemed to have a problem with what I thought, and seem to think that there's no reason for anyone to vote for Kerry other than the fact that he's not Bush.

                                                                                              Well I just gave you several, and even a blind man can see that Kerry's resume is much more impressive than Bush's.

                                                                                              I'm sorry, I just didn't see any of those as things that seperate him enough to make him Presidental materal.

                                                                                              If he had a chance of getting elected, he might make a great President, who knows?

                                                                                              And I know you don't care what I think, that's OK. I started this thread to hear what other people thought anyway.


                                                                                              Beside.... if you knew what I really thought it would probably scare the hell out of you.
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                I can think of a couple reasons off the top of my head.

                                                                                                Kerry won't drive the economy into the fucken shitter like the fuck head Bush has done.

                                                                                                And most importantly.

                                                                                                Kerry is not a war criminal.

                                                                                                OPPS....

                                                                                                ACTUALLY Mr. Kerry called HIMSELF a war criminal after the VietNam war when he testified before congress.

                                                                                                (you are one of those people who don't think 9/11 had any influence on our economy, and if 9/11 didn't happen - YOU know what the economy under Bush would be today?)



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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Kerry prolly had no case of being a WarCriminal.

                                                                                                  Bush definatly has one. There is a difference.

                                                                                                  Bush lied to us all.

                                                                                                  He fucked up everything he could from the Economy to our long time allies.

                                                                                                  Bush has violated the Geneva Convention.
                                                                                                  Bush has alienated the Arab world and in the process created more enemies than the US can handle.

                                                                                                  His cabinate is a bad joke of facist fucktards obsessed with liquidating every penny America has. Everyone knows his cabinate is on the take from Halliburton to Exxon.

                                                                                                  People are dieing now for his wishes and tyrannical trip into the middle east.

                                                                                                  Some believe that 9/11 was organised by the Bush leadership.
                                                                                                  They let it happen.

                                                                                                  You are a fucken imbecille if you think for a second that the Bush administration won't be comming for your business in Adult.

                                                                                                  Oh fuck off your just another political troll begging for attention.

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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Actually your pretty pathetic imitation where is "The King" tonight?

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