Porn Actors trying to Start a Union? What will this do to the industry?

[undermyspell]

LOS ANGELES -- A group of actors from San Fernando Valley's porn industry are agreeing to try to form a union to lobby for better health care, pay and work schedules.

About 35 performers met in private Tuesday and voted unanimously to draw up a list of demands and a bill of rights for actors in the industry.

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[Internet God]

What will it mean?

A bunch of old flabby hags demanding the industry pay them to do porn until they are 70.

[Babel]

Originally posted by undermyspell
LOS ANGELES -- A group of actors from San Fernando Valley's porn industry are agreeing to try to form a union to lobby for better health care, pay and work schedules.

About 35 performers met in private Tuesday and voted unanimously to draw up a list of demands and a bill of rights for actors in the industry.

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They will get sidelined

[undermyspell]

I think that for all but the largest names in the industry it will mean nobody will work. I think companies will just go overseas and get cheaper labor and no union headache worries.

[emmanuelle]

It means that somebody is gonna end up in somebody's trunk.

The only hope they have at all is the current political interest since the recent health crisis

[Paul Markham]

They are all self employed, unless under contract. They don't like the terms they can always apply to MacDees for a job.

Assuming they can fill in the form for a job interview.

Better Pay? $1,000 for three hours work is exploitation.

[EscortBiz]

what it means is that they will be out of work, they can go eat shit

[PhotoGreggXXX]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
what it means is that they will be out of work, they can go eat shit

Yep, no skin off my back, We don't use pornstars anyway...a pain in the ass!

We;ve been using new amateurs and couples for years and will continue to do so.

[zzgundamnzz]

I think reality porn starring amateurs will grow faster than it already is... those stars who made a union will probably just not get hired. That is unless they are a bigname star...

[TheGoldenChild]

laughable-

You can't get them to show up to sets on time and they want to unionize?

All of their hard earned money must be spent on the restaurant industry- They must never go grocery shopping- for if they did, they'd see how well the strike worked out for the food workers here in SO CAL- 7 mos of sacrificing people's life savings and starving their families to death to make a point.....


This is so stupid. I'd like to see sex workers walking up and down Ventura Blvd with STRIKE POSTERS- yeah that would be great press for the industry and all involved....

[bizmak]

Union made by porn actors sound very kind. Thay cant live like that i think. But 0$ for tray

[warlock5]

Hard to pay for dope when your on strike

[tgp-guru]

It is nothing more than an attempt of protectionism. If a group needs protection, its soon headed to the trash bin. In a global economy, theres always a better opportunity in every industry. If you need protection, you need a miracle.

Unions are nothing more than a bad idea.

[Kimmykim]

Hahaha, it means nothing... nothing changes, nothing happens.

KB is right...

[undermyspell]

I would dearly love to have a list of the 35 that agreed to organize a union. I would love to see if they have garnered support from anyone big name or if it's just the no names that aren't in demand.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by tgp-guru


Unions are nothing more than a bad idea.

You wouldn't say that if you knew history.

Have you ever read about how labor was treated before unions existed?

The idea of adult performers forming a union sounds like something that will never work, but it is undeniable that unions have been good for anyone who has a job.

[kimzar]

theres always more people trying to get into the industry,
I agree it won't mean anthing, the porn kigpins have a lot of options

[DreamCumTrue]

I dont think its a bad idea.

[Sly_RJ]

After a week or so they'll realize that setting up a union takes money, time, and responsibility.

Yeh, I see this going places...

[Milena Dickman]

Not a time for unions at all. For any category. What to say in a extremely globalized industry like porn...

They haven't thought it through. And honestly, there won't be no reason to go overseas for talents.... there will be always amateurs - fresh and cheap. They are just out of their minds.

Kisses,

Milena

[xroach]

unions have no place in the 'civilized' worlds economy, they're usefullness is long outlived for us.

[TheGoldenChild]

Unions simply don't work in this industry- they barely work in other industries..and I AM saying this-

Growing up in Cleveland and having an "uncle" who was the International President of the Teamsters Union, I saw both sides of coin...

Can you imagine the corruption and misspent $$$ in a Porno Union???

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Talent should create a Union.

We should support them as well. They are the ones that make us all money, the least we can do is give a damn about there well being and health.

[undermyspell]

Unions have done some good at times. However, they have also created a bunch of spoiled and lazy workers who cry if they stub their toe. A lot of union employees would have no idea how to carry out the requirements of a demanding job.

I can think of one person that is unionized that has wrecked a company vehicle 4 times in the last 3 years. Each time the employer had to pay a settlement to the other party. This person has also collected about 50k in workman's comp settlements on injuries that were not very serious. With things like this happening with unionized employees it causes the cost of overhead to go up and subsequently the rates of anything that company sells to the public to go up. It impacts us all.

If porn actors/actresses unionize then they will ultimately demand obscene amounts of money and benefits from the producers and the result will be the content will go up in price. If the content goes up in price the amount the webmasters charge to their surfers for their member's areas and the amount they pay their affiliates goes down.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I understand the desire but it won't happen and if it does it just means the work will go elsewhere.

[Babagirls]

its not gonna happen.

[tony286]

Sung to the original look for the union label by the garment workers of America.
(if you remember this your fucking old too )
look for the union label when you are buying a porno tape or rubber cock.
Remember somewhere a chick is trying to get a guy hard by sucking his cock.
Remember to look for the union label, for porn made in the good old USA.


I think unions can be good and bad, when you hear about companies that push young girls to do what they dont want to do or shitty business practices. A union wouldnt be a bad thing. Also the people talk about the girl makes $1000 dollars when you consider the money that is made off that content, it is a poor wage.

[tgp-guru]

Mr.Fiction: You wouldn't say that if you knew history.

Have you ever read about how labor was treated before unions existed?

The idea of adult performers forming a union sounds like something that will never work, but it is undeniable that unions have been good for anyone who has a job. You wouldn't say that if you knew history.

Okay, I should have made my arguement more precise. I do have a intimate knowledge of history. What I meant to say is Unions in any global economic market are a bad idea. They simply can not work because of the virtual cornicopia of options availible to the producers. Labor unions from a historical viewpoint worked because they dealt with limited geographical regions.

The only large union that I would support given todays economy is the one in your sig, the ACLU. Then again, they are more philosophically motivated than financially motivated.

Would you agree on that?

[Thong Sniper]

looks like those actors are out of work...

[Brad Mitchell]

I have pornunion.com

...they should buy it!



Brad

[Rictor]

If the mob really controlled porn, wouldn't we already have a union so a mob boss could collect a nice paycheck from it?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by tgp-guru
Okay, I should have made my arguement more precise. I do have a intimate knowledge of history. What I meant to say is Unions in any global economic market are a bad idea. They simply can not work because of the virtual cornicopia of options availible to the producers. Labor unions from a historical viewpoint worked because they dealt with limited geographical regions.

The only large union that I would support given todays economy is the one in your sig, the ACLU. Then again, they are more philosophically motivated than financially motivated.

Would you agree on that?

Another reason that unions are so much weaker today is because of modern labor laws and regulations. There was much more incentive to be in a union when they were the ones protecting you from having to work 100 hours a week. Now the state does that, at least in America.

[basschick]

good luck to them. it's a business based greatly on looks - it's not like machinists or grocery workers.

and there are plenty of czech and hungarian girls who look great, fuck like bunnies, and do shoots for $200. more and more content is coming from there.

we were getting quotes on custom recently. we got a quote for $1600 for 8 scenes from average looking amateurs, $2000 for cute and semi-pro, and $2800 for girls who speak clear english and are quite cute.

then i got the local quotes - $4000 moving upward to $8000. were these pornstars? no. gorgeous model quality girls or amateur cuties on a level of christine young? not that i could tell.

so basically we are talking $2800 or under for 8 shoots with attractive models or $5000+ for the same shoots with somewhat less attractive models. a LOT of people are shooting in canada to get fresh girls and save a few bucks.

i think a union could price porn talent right out of business.

[TheDoc]

Originally posted by tgp-guru
Okay, I should have made my arguement more precise. I do have a intimate knowledge of history. What I meant to say is Unions in any global economic market are a bad idea. They simply can not work because of the virtual cornicopia of options availible to the producers. Labor unions from a historical viewpoint worked because they dealt with limited geographical regions.

The only large union that I would support given todays economy is the one in your sig, the ACLU. Then again, they are more philosophically motivated than financially motivated.

Would you agree on that?

Hmm... I know a girl right now that started a new job a few months back. No union but one is needed.

No vacation for a year, 1 week vacation that never increases, no health benefits for a year and after that she has to pay 75%, no paid sick days for 3 months after that only 1 paid sick day a month if she has a note. And a mixture of other BS..

Many, 1000's of companies still work with the lowest cut rates that they can get away with. Reports of people getting paid and working from 2 companies an owner has so they work 15hours from each company, no beneifits, overtime, etc..

Unions are still needed

[basschick]

how can you unionize non-employees?

[xroach]

Originally posted by TheDoc
Hmm... I know a girl right now that started a new job a few months back. No union but one is needed.

No vacation for a year, 1 week vacation that never increases, no health benefits for a year and after that she has to pay 75%, no paid sick days for 3 months after that only 1 paid sick day a month if she has a note. And a mixture of other BS..

on behalf of the rest of the world watch as i shed a single tear

[stev0]

haha, sounds like a load of bullshit to me... bad news for those of us up higher on the chain. But i think all it really means is those that work in the union will be out of a job because no one in the right mind would hire them.

[TheDoc]

Originally posted by xroach
on behalf of the rest of the world watch as i shed a single tear

Nobody asked your lame ass to shed a single tear.

[tgp-guru]

Hmm... I know a girl right now that started a new job a few months back. No union but one is needed.

No vacation for a year, 1 week vacation that never increases, no health benefits for a year and after that she has to pay 75%, no paid sick days for 3 months after that only 1 paid sick day a month if she has a note. And a mixture of other BS..

Many, 1000's of companies still work with the lowest cut rates that they can get away with. Reports of people getting paid and working from 2 companies an owner has so they work 15hours from each company, no beneifits, overtime, etc..

Unions are still needed

What industry was she in and why was that her only option of employment?

[davidd]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
You wouldn't say that if you knew history.

Have you ever read about how labor was treated before unions existed?

The idea of adult performers forming a union sounds like something that will never work, but it is undeniable that unions have been good for anyone who has a job.

Unions DID have a role, but their time and place has long since expired. The unions were the first to force big manufacturing out of the US, and their power and impact was neutered by themselves. Fuck the unions.

-dd

[davidd]

Originally posted by tony404
Also the people talk about the girl makes $1000 dollars when you consider the money that is made off that content, it is a poor wage.

Ugh, is this a communist worker's rights thread? The above comment is so anti-capitalism it is frightening. It is comments like these that the UAW spouts when they try to justify an entry level line worker making $25 an hour.

Let's discuss what it takes to get the performer to the market place so the business owner can recoup his investment. How about the distribution chains, the marketing, the motivation, etc. and the people who are paid by that business owner. This is the cycle of our economic system, she is paid a market rate dictated by market forces.

-dd