Mr. Marks

Vegetarians say they don't eat meat because it causes suffering to sentient beings.

Okay, fine.

But eating vegetables harms animals as well.

Insects and earthworms are classified as animals. They have neural pathways and clusters that detect and feel pain. Yet they are destroyed on a MASSIVE BASIS to produce a bounty of vegetables/cereals for vegetarians to eat.

So unless you are ready to EAT ROCKS, get off Carnivores' case.



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VeriSexy

You can buy organic vegetables. Plus they are much better for you

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Mr. Marks

Sure but they use tractors and tillers to prepare the soil for those veggies. I guess bugs and earthworms (READ: ANIMALS) still lose out.

PMdave

Papichulo don't be an idiot!

Ironhorse

You do what you can, nobody's perfect

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shepherd

As a vegetarian, at least I do MY best. It's not perfect and will never be.
At the end of the day, any way you look at it, we're living in a very very cruel world.

Evelyn

I don't eat domestic meat 'cause I don't agree with the USDA's standard for livestock for consumption.
I will eat wild caught or hunted game.

We are all gonna die and decompose, so why not do it in someones intestines?

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Less is more sometimes.

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PMdave

BTW I never told anyone that eating meat is a bad thing. All I'm saying is don't feel sorry for the swiss kittens when there is a pig on your plate.

BTW there are thousands of scientists out there that can tell you that buggs don't feel pain or have emotions in the same manner as mammals do

High Quality

Mexican moron!

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bizmak

What kind of people are they. Meat is more impotant food

Mr. Marks

hahahahhaha good link. I like the cartoon of the 2 rabbits. Hahahahah

reynold

I love meat. I hate veggies!

Malkmus

A question for vegetarians:

do you wear leather shoes or clothes ?

Pornwolf

Nice!! I sometimes go a month or two without meat. I don't care about animals though, it's only to keep my colon and digestive iinnards whistling.

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DrThorsen

At least animals have a chance to run. Vegetables are self-propulsion-challenged.

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bhutocracy

Not only is that a very immature "argument", it's also overlooks any sort of substance in the name of making an easy "point"
It's obivous to anyone with a brain that not all animals are equal in their "sentience", and all people feel empathy for animals based on factors like the animals proximity to humans in terms of DNA, intelligence etc.
Not eating animal meat because of "the poor animals" is a foreign concept for me, but it's pretty easy for anyone with a modicum of intelligence to see the difference between feeling empathy for a cow and feeling empathy for an insect.
This is a trite argument bleated to score artificial "points", I don't know any people that would say "I'm turning vego because of the poor mosquitos".
Vegetarians don't proclaim to be bhuddist monks that value all life equally there are many reasons that people take up vegetarianism.. the portion that want to save puppies or whatever just don't want to eat mammals, theres no legal declaration they sign that states they won't kill flies, virii and bacteria.

It's like saying "All American carnivores are hypocrites because they won't eat cats and dogs" it's facile at best.

Ps. I can't believe I'm fueling your sad sigwhoring attempts... You're lucky im bored.

bhutocracy

Why would that be an issue? You think somehow wearing leather is a clever trap to catch hypocritical vegetarians? LOL.

I think pretty much everyone gets conditioned by the annoying girls in highschool that proclaim their vegetarianism and it morphs into this lisa simpson stereotype. Kinda sad how ignorant this is given the vast amount of people that go vego or semi-vego for health reasons.

SykkBoy

uh oh, someone's running out of race baiting threads to start.........

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Mr. Marks

Someone's trying to think and type at the same time with a big cock in his mouth.

Mr. Marks

hahahahah I love it. So this moron runs straight for Plato's Hierarchy of Being. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Mr. Marks

hehehe The only ANIMAL I care about is the HUMAN animal (yes, that even includes retards like bhutocracy)

bhutocracy

the sad sig whore has no argument? awwww... paw wittle sig whore.

The Heron

It is a moot point really, nobody listens to good reason... But your still eating a living organism if you eat plants, why are they less important than an animal? Some plants are pretty advanced, who is to say they don't know when you eat them?

Stop being fucktards and give into your primal desires! KILL KILL KILL

bhutocracy

I'm sorry I trounced your childish ideas with commonsense reality. Next time you try an earn an extra 50c by starting another drama thread try and form a cogent argument

(yes i do realise I'm helping you out by bumping your sig whore thread, but it's just a fyi as you obviously need help forming arguments)

Mr. Marks

That IS my argument, my poor little mentally challenged friend from DOWN UNDER (my sack). "differing levels of sentience" hahahah tell that to Jains who wear surgical masks so they don't inhale insects.

Life is life is life

Then again you wouldn't know that cuz you're from Oz where they used Aborigines as target practice. HAHAHAHAHA

Mr. Marks

AMEN

bhutocracy

they dont, some studies in the 70's concluded that plants may have some form of rudimentary sentience. I just think it's hilarious that people think a vegetarian is someone that doesn't want to kill "living things".
The portion of vegetarians that don't want to kill baby seals identify more with fellow mammals - It's human nature. It's not these vegetarians saying killing all life forms is wrong, it's people misunderstanding what being a vegetarian means.
It's funny I used to use the same arguments when I was a teenager to try and piss of the vegetarians I knew, but I eventually stopped as I got older just because even though they're fun for arguments sake it's a pretty childish position with little merit.

bhutocracy

What does "life is life" have to do with vegetarians being hypocrites? Nothing.

A. not all vegetarians care about animals dying
B. vegetarians never signed on that all life is equal and precious.

I'm sorry you're not intelligent enough to understand this.

It's the kind of specious argument that would lead you to call Jains hypocrites because their bodies kill viral infections.

If you're happy thinking it's valid go right ahead, but anyone with half a brain can basically just tell you're being a 'tard for hire.

detoxed

Animals eat other animals. Its how the whole world works. Humans eating animals that are killed quickly is a lot better than a lion chasing a zebra and taking a few chunks out of it right there.

Mr. Marks

Thank you. Yet another sign of intelligence on GFY. Instead of the regular DENIAL-ridden post justifying hypocrisy.

bhutocracy

Dance sig whore dance, it's hilarious watching you continually reinforcing your own stupidity. lol. I'm just sitting back laughing at you. You posted another thread with an unhappy smiley at people eating cats lol.. you silly little hypocrite.. arguing with you is like taunting a kitten and letting it try and bite you with it's harmless little teeth.

emthree

Stop being fucking pussies you veggie munchers, that is the way of life ... I do understand the need to keep your body clean of meats/animals but stop fucking protesting shit like you are doing the world a fucking favor

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Mr. Marks

You calling me a sig whore. You're the one with the gunsblazing bullshit on your sig. Your pathetic cries of sig whore would have more credibility if you had NO sig.

You have the moral credibility of a banana slug. Fucking little dicked moron from an insignificant little country.

Webasic

I think I might fry myself up a steak....mmmm

CDSmith

Uh, excuse me chulo boy, but bhuto OWNS that program in his sig. Your statemen lacks any sort of sensibility in that light I'm afraid.


Try another line of attack.

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Mr. Marks

it's still whoring.


What the fuck is up with these veggie morons?

ProfitPrograms

Peta people suck when they go to the public library and paste their shit inside books - all of the tortured animals - etc.. this puts kids into shock - doesn't protect animals whatsoever...

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baddog

so you are in favor of cannibalism?

CDSmith

Ehh, I say live and let live. As long as they don't stare at me funny when I chop into my inch thick 16 oz porterhouse I'm okay with them.


It's those 100% hardcore vegans that get me. Don't trust em nohow. Their eyes are a little too close together for my liking.

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CDSmith

That's basically how I read that too.

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DreamCumTrue

I dont eat red meat, and I used to be a full vegetarian, but I never got on anyone's case for eating meat. Its a personal decision.

baddog

I love this topic.

I was looking over a menu in a restaurant the other day when I saw a section for vegetarians; I thought to myself "boy, I sure am glad that I'm not a meat-hating fascist" and I skipped on to the steak section (because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $15 for an alfalfa sandwich, slice of cucumber and a scoop of cold cottage cheese), but before I turned the page something caught my eye.

The heading of the vegetarian section was titled "Guiltless Grill," not because there were menu items with fewer calories and cholesterol (since there were "healthy" chicken dishes discriminated against in this section), but because none of the items used animal products. Think about that phrase for a second. What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you

DarkJedi

wrong, idiot.
most of them dont eat meat because they think its not healthy.
the dont give a fuck about animals.

baddog

What pisses me off so much about this phrase is the sheer narrow-mindedness of these stuck up vegetarian assholes. You think you're saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season

Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits. What's that? I'm sorry, I don't hear any more elitist banter from you pompous cocks. Could it be because your shit has been RUINED?

twistyneck

He can't help it. Telling him not to be an idiot is like telling a dog not to lick its ass; it is the nature of things.

baddog

That's right: the gloves have come off. The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill?

At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day

Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck?

baddog

If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.


To even suggest that your meal is some how "guiltless" is absurd. The defense "at least we're not killing intentionally" is bullshit anyway. How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest?

You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent?