so you are in favor of cannibalism?

Ehh, I say live and let live. As long as they don't stare at me funny when I chop into my inch thick 16 oz porterhouse I'm okay with them.


It's those 100% hardcore vegans that get me. Don't trust em nohow. Their eyes are a little too close together for my liking.

That's basically how I read that too. :1orglaugh

I dont eat red meat, and I used to be a full vegetarian, but I never got on anyone's case for eating meat. Its a personal decision.

I love this topic.

I was looking over a menu in a restaurant the other day when I saw a section for vegetarians; I thought to myself "boy, I sure am glad that I'm not a meat-hating fascist" and I skipped on to the steak section (because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $15 for an alfalfa sandwich, slice of cucumber and a scoop of cold cottage cheese), but before I turned the page something caught my eye.

The heading of the vegetarian section was titled "Guiltless Grill," not because there were menu items with fewer calories and cholesterol (since there were "healthy" chicken dishes discriminated against in this section), but because none of the items used animal products. Think about that phrase for a second. What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you

wrong, idiot.
most of them dont eat meat because they think its not healthy.
the dont give a fuck about animals.

What pisses me off so much about this phrase is the sheer narrow-mindedness of these stuck up vegetarian assholes. You think you're saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season

Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits. What's that? I'm sorry, I don't hear any more elitist banter from you pompous cocks. Could it be because your shit has been RUINED?

He can't help it. Telling him not to be an idiot is like telling a dog not to lick its ass; it is the nature of things.

That's right: the gloves have come off. The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill?

At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day

Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck?

If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.


To even suggest that your meal is some how "guiltless" is absurd. The defense "at least we're not killing intentionally" is bullshit anyway. How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest?

You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent?

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we've finally found a topic that Baddog can sink his teeth into.

I guess we should let drunk drivers off the hook too since they don't kill intentionally either, right? There's no way out of this one. The only option left for you dipshits is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical? Yeah, well, so is your stupid diet

Even if combines aren't used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields?

You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies.

One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations--causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment.

Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing.

A number of people have pointed out that the amount of grain grown to feed animals for slaughter every year is greater than the amount of grain grown for humans.


So I guess the amount of grain grown for human consumption suddenly becomes negligible and we can conveniently ignore the fact that animals are still ruthlessly murdered either way because of your diet, right? Not to mention that the majority of grain grown for livestock is tough as rocks, coarse, and so low-grade that it's only fit for animal consumption in the first place.


Spare me the "you could feed 500 people with the grain used to feed one cow" line of shit; it's not the same grain. Then there are the people who jump on the bandwagon with "you could plant billions of potatoes on the land used for cows"--good point, except for the fact that not every plot of land is equally fertile; you think farmers always have a choice on what they do with their land?

I was going to post this URL the very moment i read the title of this thread.

Like I said, I love this topic.

Also, many vegetarians don't know (or care to acknowledge) that in many parts of the United States they have "control hunts" in which hunting permits are passed out whenever there is a pest problem (the pest here is deer, elk and antelope) that threatens wheat, soy, vegetable and other crops; this happens several times per year.


Then some of you throw out claims that "we are trying to limit the suffering." How about you limit MY suffering and shut the hell up about your stupid diet for a change; nobody cares.


Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn't in the millions, even if it's just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn't worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers.


PETA stands for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Let's ignore for a moment that their name implies there exists a universal set of ethics, and instead let's focus on the meat of this email: PETA is "primarily concerned with preventing the suffering of living animals."

Oh really? As opposed to preventing the suffering of dead animals? Good thing they clarified because I was confused and couldn't infer that when they said "animals" they didn't mean dead animals. Glad we have that cleared up, let's move on.

So what exactly constitutes as "prevention" of animal suffering? The moral vegetarians (not the ones who do it for religious or health reasons) love to chant "we're trying to limit the suffering." What the hell does that mean?

I wish someone would explain this to Australian farmers. Oh, look, i have some land in the outback. I know, i'll grow some fuckin' cotton. And then they bitch and moan about drought and demand "rescue packages" from the government. Australian farming is the stupidest institution on the planet.

Man was not meant to eat rabbit food alone.



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That reminds me of a joke:


Q. What's invisible and smells like carrots?



A. bunny farts.

I have had this saved for a long time. . . people won't read it, so I will put it out there for them


If you eat wheat or soy, you're not limiting anything. Unless you plant, grow and pick your own crops, you're not doing everything you can to "limit" the suffering. You know deep down that you could help limit a whole lot more suffering, but you've chosen not to.

You've chosen not to because your lifestyle is too convenient, and you'd have to give up too much, but nevermind that--you have a conscience to feel good about, and you can't let a little thing like millions of violent deaths of field animals get in the way of your moral trip.

Limit the suffering? That's like me saying I'm going to eat meat only 364 out of 365 days of the year in an effort to "limit" the suffering, I'm doing my part to prevent suffering. "BUT BADDOG, YOU COULD LIMIT A LOT MORE SUFFERING BY NOT EATING MEAT AT ALL!!!

Exactly, and vegetarians could limit a lot more suffering by planting their own crops, but where do you draw the line? You claim to have compassion for animals, but just as soon as it gets too inconvenient you decide to call it quits? Cowards. You're no better off. Not in my book.

A murderer who kills 10 people is no better off than a murderer who kills 20. Of course, from the perspective of a suggestible young vegetarian I'm sure being responsible for half as many murders as the next guy means you're off the hook, right?


moral vegetarians say "HEY BADDOG WE FEED MORE GRAIN TO ANIMALS AND IF YOU EAT THE ANIMALS YOU ARE KILLING TWICE AS MUCH." No shit? The only difference is that I'm not protesting at street corners about other peoples' diets--I'm not the one with a mission to prevent "the suffering of living animals."

Fun with facts: vegetarians love to boast outrageous figures like "it takes 5,000 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef and only 20 gallons to produce one pound of wheat."

I've heard figures ranging from 2,000 to 5,000, and vegetarians will be damned if they include a source so we'll take the mean (that means "average") and go with 3,500.

The average person consumes 1.5 million gallons of water every year (it takes water to grow and produce the food you eat in addition to the water you drink, quit emailing me you morons). Why isn't PETA protesting overpopulation of humans on the street corners?

Why isn't PETA passing out free condoms or throwing javelins in your cock when you walk down the street if they really cared about water consumption? It's not like that water just suddenly disappears. The earth has had about the same amount of water for 2 billion years.

So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water.

That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet

. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save.

By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy.

All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.

What makes you think that animals suffer in slaughter houses anyway? I think it would rule to be raised for slaughter. Get all the free steroids you want, free meals and plenty of good company--hell, you have it made.

Then when you're at the prime of your life, you get your head generously chopped off so you don't have to live through the suffering of old age. Not only that, but you can die with the satisfaction of knowing that somebody is going to enjoy eating a burger made out of you.

What's more humane? Being slaughtered for meat or having to spend 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week in a cubicle for the rest of your life with assholes who listen to shitty music without headphones, then retiring and withering away with old age and cancer as your obnoxious kids grow up and treat you like shit?

Slaughter please.

He is absolutely correct, you are in denial if you think he is an idiot for that comment

Good point.

American farmers are no better. Fucking HUGE ASS subsidies that ends up fucking world prices. Good thing the WTO is finally smelling the bullshit.:BangBang:

Yeah, baddog, to these leftofascists, idiot = anyone who deviates from the "correct" ideology.

Actually, he's an idiot for a lot more than that. :2 cents:

Would any of this apply to the vegitarian who is vegitarian for reasons other than animals. For instance someone who can't eat meat or someone who has health issues with it?

In that case the point and motive a sort of different I guess.

:thumbsup :1orglaugh

All the vegetarians I know are vegetarians for their health.

People seem to be confusing vegetarians and PETA extremists.

Like I said, live and let live. Those types are usually fine by me, but not all vegetarians think or act alike by any stretch. Some will try to push their beliefs on everyone around them. I've met vegan girls who would sit there and criticize you for eating meat, making "EWWW... are you really going to EAT THAT?" comments and shit. I've directed a few to the fucking door for that kind of BS, because it goes against my moral code of live and let live to the point where I want to toss their asses through a wall.


Vegetarians can do what they want, eat what they want, but your right to eat rabbit food stops when you start talking down to me about my steak.


So who wants a fork in the eye? :Graucho

lol. don't expect too much of the sig whore, this is his living, I'm helping him get his big mac for dinner tonight by keeping this thread going.

lol no shit. But hey people can't help being ignorant, maybe they weren't loved enough by daddy, or loved too much by that one uncle.
I'm not vegetarian, I haul poor little fishies from their habitats and break their necks to feed on their flesh. But at least I understand the what being a vegetarian is, I actually looked up to see what the %'s were in terms of why people go veg.. but there isn't any info, what I did find though was all those "101 reasons to be vego" followed on link and the first page of ten points was basically all health related... live longer.. less cancer.. blah blah somewhere on the next page was not hurting the baby seals or whatever.

as I've said previously I think these attitudes come from experience with annoying high school girls or college kids looking for a cause screaming meat is murder. They're definately int he minority.. most people I know that are vego you wouldn't even tell until you wondered why they keep on ordering non meat food and ask them.. thats the whole point.. most vego's don't give a shit about what any one eats or make a big deal out of what they eat.. but the places where we brush up against groups of people like in college and whatnot where kids are full of zeal is probably where this annoying Lisa Simpson stereotype comes from.

One vegetarian is just the same as the other.

Haha that's realy funny papichulo
Dude quit from eating meat and you will feel much more better every day trust me to this

yeap.

Bhutocracy probably let all the semen he inhaled with his anus (making the sites in his sig) that it clouded his judgment.

hahahahahah what an idiot.:1orglaugh

Sounds like someone in the marketing department needs a little talking to. Not a good idea to potentially offend and/or alienate, what, 98% of your customers? :1orglaugh

I know both vegans and vegetarians and none of them are anything like each other.

This sort of gross generalisation makes you look like a fucking idiot.

it's ok that it was so easy you break you brittle little arguments, but you don't have to be a sore loser lol.
It's amusing to have reduced you to school yard insults, it befits your mental age, have I done my bit of goodwill for the day and helped you pay for rent by keeping the thread going yet? better than flipping burgers isn't it! hahahha.

It's not schoolyard if its the truth.

The truth is you whining vegetarian butt nuggets are flaming hypocrites.

The worst ones are usually chicks, I don't know any guy veggos, but they have this sudden urge to be a vegetarian they they are fully disgusted by meat for about 2 weeks until it wears off and then they get stuck back into meat. I think its like some fashion thing that you can read in chick magazines. I don't get it.

Its mostly trendy bastards and artsy fartsy dirtbags.:BangBang:

Interesting thread... loads of well thought out and argued views (and some of the usual GFY bollox of course LOL)

My husband has been a vegetarian for 20 years, not for health reasons (he smokes 40 a day) and not because of animal welfare (he isn't really an animal lover).... it's just because he can't get into the idea of putting corpses in his mouth.

He has no problems with buying me a nice big steak when we go out for dinner though :)