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  • Internet God
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2004
    • 182

    #51
    Originally posted by MicDoohan
    yeah great pr move there - fuck the very people that earn you money - wtg champ!!

    I'm pulling quickbuck.com and conversioncash.com links as well

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    • SKULL
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2003
      • 1953

      #52
      all removed
      www.traffic-trades.com

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      • Adult Site Traffic
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2003
        • 5093

        #53
        Originally posted by swedguy
        Their board just disappeared too http://porngraph.com/forum/

        Bon Voyage
        Funny shit man

        -------

        Please try the following:

        If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.

        Open the porngraph.com home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
        Click the Back button to try another link.
        Click Search to look for information on the Internet.

        ----------

        What's NOT so funny is I have a few hundred hosted galleries to pull it off of.

        Hey, I wonder if it's just the new counter doing it? I have a bunch I haven't replaced.

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        • Fletch XXX
          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
          • Jan 2002
          • 60840

          #54
          autoinstalls are fucking lame.

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          • Adult Site Traffic
            Confirmed User
            • Mar 2003
            • 5093

            #55
            Originally posted by Veterans Day
            Actualscripts.com has actual analyzer that generates as many counters as you have pages, way more info then porngraph as well. Its 44 bucks and why anyone is using some antique 3rd party service is beyond me
            Kewl dude. Is it cgi or php or ?

            ALL Domains and Websites are GOING AWAY NOW! Ask me!
            Many great domains, mainstream and adult, some complete sites with databases, some names with traffic and PR, some investment quality names. Come take a look! { Traffic Orders: Please go here }

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            • cluck
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2002
              • 5248

              #56
              I can't find the damn code that makes it work. Is it still hijacking?
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              • Fletch XXX
                GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                • Jan 2002
                • 60840

                #57
                "why anyone is using some antique 3rd party service is beyond me."

                I agree totally.

                server stats, and I have no clue why you need anything else, really.

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                • digifan
                  The Profiler
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 14618

                  #58
                  Originally posted by rdunn404
                  ...changing pages as we speak. Can anyone suggest any other reliable invisible counter programs (paid or free)?
                  Sextracker or xxxcounter.
                  [email protected]
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                  • Shooter
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2001
                    • 2842

                    #59
                    Originally posted by Veterans Day
                    Actualscripts.com has actual analyzer that generates as many counters as you have pages, way more info then porngraph as well. Its 44 bucks and why anyone is using some antique 3rd party service is beyond me
                    According to this ActualCounter must by use only for the sites with low traffic (not over 1500 hits a day), where more deep analysis of statistics are needed.
                    Doesn't seem worth $44.

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                    • Adult Site Traffic
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 5093

                      #60
                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                      "why anyone is using some antique 3rd party service is beyond me."

                      I agree totally.

                      server stats, and I have no clue why you need anything else, really.
                      If you have 100 + domains across 4 servers/hosts, would need a whole page with webalizer links and don't have Urchin

                      ALL Domains and Websites are GOING AWAY NOW! Ask me!
                      Many great domains, mainstream and adult, some complete sites with databases, some names with traffic and PR, some investment quality names. Come take a look! { Traffic Orders: Please go here }

                      .:: SHARPEN the Elite - BURN the leftovers! Ooh-Rah!! ::.

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                      • Monique Niccole
                        Confirmed User
                        • Nov 2002
                        • 5653

                        #61
                        I started switching a few pages over to foxcounter and as soon as I switched the code, I immediately had a bunch of referrers from rape sites...wtf?

                        Does anyone know how that happened? is that due to the nasty Paycounter codes or is it some Foxcounter bullshit?

                        I'm about to scrap it and just use my server stats in a minute.

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                        • integrated
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 3826

                          #62
                          stopped using counters from now on.

                          any truth to the comment about the weg using auto-install?

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                          • KC
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 1995
                            • 2417

                            #63
                            Originally posted by Afrekete
                            Does anyone know how that happened? is that due to the nasty Paycounter codes or is it some Foxcounter bullshit?
                            hey hey hey.. leave PayCounter out of this :P

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                            • SomeCreep
                              :glugglug
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 26118

                              #64
                              I'm glad I never used porngraph. You'd figure people would've stopped using them after all their downtime issues
                              Last edited by SomeCreep; 04-27-2004, 06:54 PM.

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                              • sandman!
                                Icq: 14420613
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 15431

                                #65
                                this sucks lucky i only have this code on pages that only get about 1k a day
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                                • chemicaleyes
                                  UNSTOPPABLE
                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 11569

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by sweet7
                                  yeah I just caught that ! I know you were a regular on that board chemicaleyes, are these guys for real?
                                  I know nothing about the new owners.
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                                  • Jimbo
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 3989

                                    #67
                                    YOU SHOULD'VE USED QUICKBUCK!
                                    free sex videos

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                                    • Makingcoin
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 8919

                                      #68
                                      This is just fucking great news . I have been using porngraph for a couple of months now and have the counter on a shit load of webpages. It would literally take me days to take the counter off of every single page. What a fucking joke!


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                                      • Furious_Male
                                        Doing the grind since 99
                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 16884

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by integrated
                                        stopped using counters from now on.

                                        any truth to the comment about the weg using auto-install?
                                        There has been discussion on the WEG board about this. Some virus scanners are going off when hit with one of the exits from the 4free sites. It appears to be some sort of Java Coding that could be used in a malicous matter that is triggering the alerts. WEG hasn't really made an official comment yet. Just a bunch of people saying that our antivirus settings are to high which is bullshit because mine are set to default.

                                        anyhow.. we shall see
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                                        • Argoz
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2002
                                          • 3006

                                          #70
                                          Fucking shit....!

                                          How to destroy a good program....damn!
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                                          contentSOLUTION : Allowing you to automatically grab articles from article directories,
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                                          • Dawgy
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2001
                                            • 5856

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Internet God
                                            Just so everyone knows...

                                            It is Hoopers company - ISearch.com

                                            We all know he owns idownload.com right....


                                            Well,

                                            ISEARCH.COM
                                            Registrant:
                                            iSearch Internet
                                            701 Brazos
                                            Suite 500
                                            Austin, TX 78701
                                            US
                                            866-845-6873


                                            iDownload.com
                                            Registrant:
                                            iDownload.com
                                            701 Brazos
                                            Suite 500
                                            Austin, TX 78701
                                            US
                                            800-844-5919



                                            A BIG FUCK YOU HOOPER!!!
                                            the toolbar its installing is isearch? damn hooper... wtf?
                                            the revolution is coming.

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                                            • digifan
                                              The Profiler
                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 14618

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by Makingcoin
                                              This is just fucking great news . I have been using porngraph for a couple of months now and have the counter on a shit load of webpages. It would literally take me days to take the counter off of every single page. What a fucking joke!

                                              Why? Never heard of FTP programs that can do a server search-and-replace in no time?

                                              http://www.cgi.veinotte.com/web_file_editor.htm
                                              The only down side is that you have to chmod 777 your files first, but it is not a big deal as you can just change them back after you are done.

                                              Or
                                              http://www.sponsororganizer.com/Free...s/s_and_r.html

                                              hth
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                                              • digifan
                                                The Profiler
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 14618

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by Jimbo
                                                YOU SHOULD'VE USED QUICKBUCK!
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                                                • 421Fill
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                  • 20659

                                                  #74
                                                  Someone might wanna let these guys know:
                                                  http://www.porngraph.com/toplist.php

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                                                  • Toker
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 891

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by GoGoBar
                                                    I haven't posted in this becuase due to the sale of the site I'm not allowed to comment about PG.

                                                    However, the PG site has been sold (as many of you know) and I am no longer in charge/working with the site.

                                                    Unfortunately the domain xfer has not gone through yet and it is still pointing at me.

                                                    Anyway, I like all of you, am no longer using the counter. They did kill what was once a great service.

                                                    Again, I can't comment on the site or details of the sale due to the sale but I had to jump in to clarify that.

                                                    Hell I'm still waiting for the traffic that was promised for 200 posts..
                                                    PeaceAlive and kicking

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                                                    • Dildozer
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                      • 7519

                                                      #76
                                                      Unfortunately spyware is big money these days. Face it it's one of the best ways to target the customer like never before except maybe for search engines and double opt-in. If you can use it to go with the surfer's browsing process without disrupting it, you'll make shitloads of money.

                                                      Think about nCase (i think) that had a popup right when someone clicked a link on google, using the search term. Talk about power.

                                                      And spywares aren't going away, siiiiiir no. Too much money in it, unfortunately.

                                                      Where is our beloved Internet headed???

                                                      Anyone wanna start a new spyware company?
                                                      Spam link here

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                                                      • merdoc
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 129

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by digifan
                                                        Why? Never heard of FTP programs that can do a server search-and-replace in no time?

                                                        http://www.cgi.veinotte.com/web_file_editor.htm
                                                        The only down side is that you have to chmod 777 your files first, but it is not a big deal as you can just change them back after you are done.

                                                        Or
                                                        http://www.sponsororganizer.com/Free...s/s_and_r.html

                                                        hth
                                                        Thx man! Happy to see that some guys are still sharing some nice tips on boards :D Thanx again,

                                                        Christopher

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                                                        • Mr.Fiction
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                          • 9484

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by turbo
                                                          Someone might wanna let these guys know:
                                                          http://www.porngraph.com/toplist.php
                                                          Are all of these Pornograph listed sites now doing spyware auto-installs on their visitors?

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                                                          • psyko514
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                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 22366

                                                            #79
                                                            that's totally fucked up.
                                                            thank god i didn't put up too many counters.

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                                                            • alan-l
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2003
                                                              • 2477

                                                              #80
                                                              hooper?

                                                              damn man, that's simply not right, I mean, one thing is to make surfers pay for crap like dialers or shit, but now getting rid of surfers as well as webmasters?

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                                                              • mammy
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                • 2279

                                                                #81
                                                                damned
                                                                thats really crazy

                                                                noone will deal with these guys after such shit

                                                                million dollars for paysite design


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                                                                • 4Pics
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                  • 7952

                                                                  #82
                                                                  bump

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                                                                  • Lonny
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                    • 3539

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Master Stats



                                                                    Originally posted by rdunn404
                                                                    ...changing pages as we speak. Can anyone suggest any other reliable invisible counter programs (paid or free)?

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                                                                    • Mr. Marks
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                      • 7517

                                                                      #84
                                                                      That is FUCKED!


                                                                      I hate that spyware/crapware/trojan shit.

                                                                      I smell a LAWSUIT

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                                                                      • Odin88
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 3267

                                                                        #85
                                                                        I wonder if this was all a part of their 'new code' aswell. I never looked at their new code, but I bet it had something to ease the auto-install process to. Fuckign wankers.

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                                                                        • serguei
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 802

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Fuck them!
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                                                                          • ModelPerfect
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                            • 2862

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Porngraph = gone.
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                                                                            • 4Pics
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                              • 7952

                                                                              #88
                                                                              it'll be interesting to see their toplist tommorow.

                                                                              If they were SMART they'd remove the toplist also.

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                                                                              • Turboface
                                                                                Back in Black
                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                • 9976

                                                                                #89
                                                                                This situation is going to get uglier, mark my words.
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                                                                                • serguei
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                  • 802

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  All visitors will kill them
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                                                                                  • gin
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                                    • 672

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by GoGoBar
                                                                                    I haven't posted in this becuase due to the sale of the site I'm not allowed to comment about PG.

                                                                                    However, the PG site has been sold (as many of you know) and I am no longer in charge/working with the site.

                                                                                    Unfortunately the domain xfer has not gone through yet and it is still pointing at me.

                                                                                    Anyway, I like all of you, am no longer using the counter. They did kill what was once a great service.

                                                                                    Again, I can't comment on the site or details of the sale due to the sale but I had to jump in to clarify that.
                                                                                    uhhh... your not at all worried about your info being all over the page? i'd be shitting my pants if my info was on a domain that was exploiting shit like that on millions of people's computers

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                                                                                    • 4Pics
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                      • 7952

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      bump

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                                                                                      • More Booze
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                        • 5116

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Thank god im to lazy to change the old code and add it to my pages.

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                                                                                        • imJason
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                          • 1215

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          well as far as I can tell the old code did not trigger the installs,

                                                                                          mostly because I could not duplicate it and I got no complaints from surfers,

                                                                                          however the new code did trigger some fucked up shit, so I never used it,

                                                                                          but ive removed all the old code anyways on principal,

                                                                                          porn graph is dead now, the new owners will probably make bank though,

                                                                                          it would be interesting to hear from them but I doubt we wil,
                                                                                          IM Jason

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                                                                                          • Mr.Fiction
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                            • 9484

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Originally posted by gin
                                                                                            uhhh... your not at all worried about your info being all over the page? i'd be shitting my pants if my info was on a domain that was exploiting shit like that on millions of people's computers
                                                                                            Angry surfers will be calling with the death threats soon - watch out!
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                                                                                            • Toker
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                              • 891

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                                              Are all of these Pornograph listed sites now doing spyware auto-installs on their visitors?

                                                                                              1. EasyPic
                                                                                              Quality linktrades, min. 1k/day: ICQ 8956217 General
                                                                                              Free Site 572,878
                                                                                              859,138

                                                                                              2. Video-Post
                                                                                              The best free movie links on the web Hardcore
                                                                                              MGP 529,110
                                                                                              3,570,184

                                                                                              3. Lumberjack Links
                                                                                              no popups, no blindlinks, only quality free pics and movies General
                                                                                              TGP 440,610
                                                                                              1,888,110

                                                                                              4. Bunny Teens
                                                                                              Webmasters: Buy guaranteed gallery listings for only $20! General
                                                                                              Free Site 425,783
                                                                                              490,773

                                                                                              5. Younger Babes
                                                                                              Teen & Hardcore TGP with 1250 galleries in the archives Hardcore
                                                                                              TGP 404,101
                                                                                              469,366

                                                                                              6. Vids Vids Vids
                                                                                              Free Vids Every Day Pornstars
                                                                                              Free Site 395,086
                                                                                              460,963

                                                                                              7. X-ho
                                                                                              FREE SEX AND PICS MOVIES Amateur
                                                                                              Free Site 374,331
                                                                                              663,496

                                                                                              8. Clip Hunter
                                                                                              Advertising Info: ICQ 125183312 General
                                                                                              TGP 335,527
                                                                                              817,645

                                                                                              9. mmm100.com
                                                                                              #1 french TGP Amateur
                                                                                              Free Site 324,412
                                                                                              556,796

                                                                                              10. AMSTERDAM SeXXX
                                                                                              Quality linktrades, min. 1k/day: ICQ 8956217 General
                                                                                              Free Site 306,401
                                                                                              396,432


                                                                                              I thought Lumberjack Links used to be Absolute and the way WorldSex pushes them I thought they had a piece of um!
                                                                                              PeaceAlive and kicking

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                                                                                              • gin
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Sep 2003
                                                                                                • 672

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                                                Angry surfers will be calling with the death threats soon - watch out!
                                                                                                surfers? i'd be more worried about the door getting kicked by fbi.. exploting is illegal.. as it is to exploit socks proxies onto people's computers. what is the difference in a search engine toolbar or a socks mailing program? NOTHING. you get charged for exploiting the computers. and millions of computers? i'd be worried.

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                                                                                                • Vitasoy
                                                                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                  • 58202

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  That's just wrong.


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                                                                                                  • Toker
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                    • 891

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    If anyone gets that fuckin Isearch Toolbar you can get rid of it with CWS the CoolWebsearch Shreader by Merijn if they stopped the DDOS Attack on his site..
                                                                                                    The Toolbar script was wrote by a company in Canada by the way and Slotch.com pushes the affiliate prog with it..Gamma also promotes it...
                                                                                                    PeaceAlive and kicking

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                                                                                                    • gwilkins
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                      • 744

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by gin
                                                                                                      surfers? i'd be more worried about the door getting kicked by fbi.. exploting is illegal.. as it is to exploit socks proxies onto people's computers. what is the difference in a search engine toolbar or a socks mailing program? NOTHING. you get charged for exploiting the computers. and millions of computers? i'd be worried.
                                                                                                      I'm sure they'll spend the extra few minutes and make sure they 'knock' on the right door

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