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Old 04-23-2004, 11:15 AM   #1
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Former NFL Player Pat Tillman KIA Afghanistan....SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!

Thousands of other soldiers die all the time, and none hahahahahas about that in every Magazine and show on the News. Either talk about all soldiers or do not talk about any at all. This is gay, he is not more special then the others, all of their stories deserve attention, not just because he was in NHL...
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:16 AM   #2
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you mean NFL not NHL
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:17 AM   #3
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Because he had it all, he refused $3.5 Millions to serve his country.
Not too many like him left...
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:17 AM   #4
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I think the point was that he passed on a fat payday and a hell of a career to go serve his country.
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:18 AM   #5
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Maybe he doesnt deserve the extra attention, but he was still a person, and he died fighting for our country. So if they want to hahahahaha about him, oh well.
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:24 AM   #6
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Yup, you have to wonder how many soldiers would have past up on that much money to serve their country...not too many
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:45 AM   #7
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Thousands of other soldiers die all the time, and none hahahahahas about that in every Magazine and show on the News. Either talk about all soldiers or do not talk about any at all. This is gay, he is not more special then the others, all of their stories deserve attention, not just because he was in NHL...
Because he was the perfect example of what being an american and a man is all about.

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Giving up a fat payday is nothing compared to the guys who gave up ever seeing their kids again or seeing their local K-Mart in their hometown...
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:48 AM   #9
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Giving up a fat payday is nothing compared to the guys who gave up ever seeing their kids again or seeing their local K-Mart in their hometown...
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:55 AM   #10
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I'm sure they'll talk about EVERY soldier that is so patriotic that he'll turn down 3.6 MILLION DOLLARS and instead take $18,000 a year in order to serve his country.

This was VOLUNTARY. He would rather serve in the special forces than receive millions for playing football and risking nothing.

The guy is a hero. A very BIG hero.

What a story!!
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:55 AM   #11
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spamofon are you sure michael moore hasn't got anything to say about it, check his site?
you seem to believe everything he says and routinely post his statements as "facts".
please.
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:57 AM   #12
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Thousands of other soldiers die all the time, and none hahahahahas about that in every Magazine and show on the News. Either talk about all soldiers or do not talk about any at all. This is gay, he is not more special then the others, all of their stories deserve attention, not just because he was in NHL...

I think Pat Tillman would agree with this statement.


However, Your an idiot! IMO.
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Old 04-23-2004, 04:07 PM   #13
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spamofon are you sure michael moore hasn't got anything to say about it, check his site?
you seem to believe everything he says and routinely post his statements as "facts".
please.

Speaking of Michael Moore..... more of his bullshit...

http://www.drudgereport.com/rcmm.htm
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Old 04-23-2004, 04:09 PM   #14
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that sucks.... at least he fought in a good war, unlike Iraq... maybe if they spent more $ and resources on the Afghan war, he may have lived....
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Giving up a fat payday is nothing compared to the guys who gave up ever seeing their kids again or seeing their local K-Mart in their hometown...
Ok, and he was also one of those guys...
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spamofon are you sure michael moore hasn't got anything to say about it, check his site?
you seem to believe everything he says and routinely post his statements as "facts".
please.
Ah..........that says a lot for the idiotic nature of this post topic.
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The guy had it all but decided to give his all, for all of us instead. So you can all go fuck yourselves if you have anything bad to say about the man. Show some respect and thank you and R.I.P. My good man you deserve it.
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Giving up a fat payday is nothing compared to the guys who gave up ever seeing their kids again or seeing their local K-Mart in their hometown...
WTF are you talking about? Most in the military enlisted for the benefits - tuition aid, medical insurance, training . . . . he did not need to do that, but went to serve his country anyway
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Thousands of other soldiers die all the time,
not thousands of American soldiers, maybe in other countries. and I am sure if other countries had 1000's dying, someone would d0cument that in their papers
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Old 04-23-2004, 05:33 PM   #20
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I think Pat Tillman would agree with this statement.


However, Your an idiot! IMO.
This statement speaks volumes about this patriot. Nicely put J.
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This statement speaks volumes about this patriot. Nicely put J.

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The difference is that most people join the army as a job or to try to get benefits, this guy was a true crusader, didn't do it for the money but out of sheer patriotism, and the media focus will likely bolster falling recruitment numbers.
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Aside from the fact that he made the ultimate sacrifice, regardless of your political affiliations, MANY people feel like they knew Pat Tillman somehow or someway. It makes it more personal. Such as the neighbor down the road who lost their son or daughter to war, fans of the NFL lost someone they respected and admired. Show some fucking respect.
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Old 04-23-2004, 08:11 PM   #24
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Because he was the perfect example of what being an american and a man is all about.

True.

Spamofon is the perfect example of a parasite. Greedy to take the benefits of the USA but when it comes time to sacrifice, you'll see his punk ass in Canada.

What a true bitch.
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Old 04-23-2004, 08:50 PM   #25
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Damn Tha Man Paid The Ultimate Price and had many fans so thats why its a big deal to alot of people.
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I will have to disagree with you as well. This guy made the ultimate sacrifice. Sure all our soldiers do but this was news worthy and he does deserve a lot of respect.

RIP Pat
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Damn Tha Man Paid The Ultimate Price and had many fans so thats why its a big deal to alot of people.
He was a hero when he made the high risk decision to go... the fact that he died doesnt make him better all of a sudden...

The question is why the media didnt make a big deal about it at that time... Because people wouldnt have cared!! Now is dead.. now they care... People are emotional.. not rational..
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He was a hero when he made the high risk decision to go... the fact that he died doesnt make him better all of a sudden...

The question is why the media didnt make a big deal about it at that time... Because people wouldnt have cared!! Now is dead.. now they care... People are emotional.. not rational..
There was a decent media buzz when he decided to do this. Of course it wasn't as big as his death. The media tends to flock to those kind of stories like flys to shit. Death and emotion.
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Thousands of other soldiers die all the time, and none hahahahahas about that in every Magazine and show on the News. Either talk about all soldiers or do not talk about any at all. This is gay, he is not more special then the others, all of their stories deserve attention, not just because he was in NHL...
People respect the man for joining the military when he could have taken his millions and lived the high life instead. Whether or not you agree with his decision, the guy had integrity.
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Wish we had more like him!
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Wish we had more like him!
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I'm still not used to seeing a Ranger in a brown beret. God damn leg General of the Army giving the fucking Poogies the black beret and tainting years of Ranger tradition.
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I'm sure they'll talk about EVERY soldier that is so patriotic that he'll turn down 3.6 MILLION DOLLARS and instead take $18,000 a year in order to serve his country.

This was VOLUNTARY. He would rather serve in the special forces than receive millions for playing football and risking nothing.

The guy is a hero. A very BIG hero.

What a story!!
I agree 100%

This story in no way belittles anyone else's contribution.

But I defy anyone to name another ATHLETE, in today's society, who would have gleefullly passed on millions of dollars to risk his life to defend what he believes in.
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He joined up after 9/11 and turned down millions of dollars. He didnt need to do this... he did it for his country. He is a great example of a real American Hero
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WTF are you talking about? Most in the military enlisted for the benefits - tuition aid, medical insurance, training . . . . he did not need to do that, but went to serve his country anyway
exactly, and not true for all but tillman walked away from a 9 million dollar contract (potentially) and directly after his honeymoon...common how can you not see the difference here...this guy had no reason to go other than love and respect for his country

True American hero

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http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/7277960

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Great article


(April 23, 2004) -- One of the fallacies of sports is that people who chase a ball for a living are heroes. To play in the NFL, or in any professional sports league, is trying and taxing. The <a href="http://0-2u.com?go=games" hahahahahahahaover="hahahahahaha.status = 'goto: games';return 1" hahahahahahahaout="hahahahahaha.status=''">games</a> require dedication, exertion and determination; exhaustion and pain are involved. But nothing that happens on a sports field can fairly be called heroism. People who get paid millions of dollars for chasing balls around while a crowd cheers may be daring and admirable, but they're not heroes.



Heroism is a much higher attainment than anything that occurs in sports. To be a hero requires taking risks and exposing yourself to jeopardy. Heroism requires nobility of purpose, some goal that is outside your own self-interest. And heroism may require sacrifice. Former Arizona Cardinal Pat Tillman, who died April 22 in Afghanistan, was a hero.

In the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, Tillman left the NFL at the peak of his career, forsaking a multimillion-dollar contract and enlisted in the Army's elite group of Rangers. On Thursday, he and other U.S. and Afghan soldiers were searching for Al-Qaeda units about 25 miles from the city of Khowst, Osama bin Laden's base of operations in the late 1990s and still a place where Al-Qaeda remnants hide. There was a gun battle and Tillman was killed. Tillman was granted 27 years on this Earth. Many stories about his life are already available at the Arizona Cardinals website Also, anyone may post an expression of condolence there.


Pat Tillman placed more emphasis on the whole of his country than on himself.
Thousands of men and women have volunteered for the armed services since Sept. 11. Each has shown the same noble impulse as Tillman, and each exhibited heroism to the same degree. Walking away from a glamorous sports lifestyle and a contract that paid large amounts of money did not make Tillman any more special than others who have walked away from mundane circumstances. Every person who has volunteered to serve has made at least some sacrifice -- of time, of comfort, of income. So far 110 U.S. service members in Afghanistan have made the ultimate sacrifice. This, not catching a pass or jumping on a fumble, is heroism.

Tillman did not have to join the Army and no one would have criticized him if he did not. Indeed, no one would ever even have mentioned it if he didn't. He joined because he thought it was right, and to do what you think is right even if it means placing yourself in danger is the essence of the true hero.

Tillman's decision brings to mind the same choice made by James Robert Kalsu, one of only two NFL players to die in the Vietnam War. In 1968, Kalsu played his rookie season for the Buffalo Bills and was a budding star. He belonged to the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) and was told his duty status could be indefinitely postponed while he was in the NFL. Since the war was then expected to wind down, Kalsu knew that postponing his service would mean avoiding exposing himself to combat. Instead he asked to serve, was sent to Vietnam in 1969 and died there in a mortar attack in 1970 at the age of 25. No one would have criticized Kalsu if he had not gone to Vietnam. He went because he thought it was right.

I looked up some newspaper accounts of the Khowst area where Tillman died. One dispatch called it "a dusty town set on a rocky plain ringed by baked and blasted mountains." The mountain border area of Afghanistan and Pakistan does seem "baked and blasted" -- I've been there -- but the magnificence of creation is also palpable in that part of the world where impressive mountains stretch as far as the eye can see, and the night skies, clear and unspoiled by city lights, seems to reveal the entire universe. Pat Tillman sacrificed a glamorous, highly paid lifestyle to journey to a remote place and fight for the ideal of freedom. The sky of Afghanistan may have been the last thing he ever saw, and it is a glorious sight, fit for a hero.
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Because he was the perfect example of what being an american and a man is all about.

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He joined up after 9/11 and turned down millions of dollars. He didnt need to do this... he did it for his country. He is a great example of a real American Hero
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he gave up 3.5 mill or so..

now he is dead his family are going to make a fortune

and yes, he was a true patriot in every sense of the word
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What a badass, a great story and a great represenative of our country. I know a guy just like him (from the stories i have read anway) who is going into Apache training in two weeks. Hope he comes back in one piece.

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he gave up 3.5 mill or so..

now he is dead his family are going to make a fortune

and yes, he was a true patriot in every sense of the word
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YOU have, currently 185,000 AMERICANS following The LYING PRESIDENT'S Order and Are Ready to lose their LIFES for non existant Weapons OF MASS destructions, well DONE.
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It was a shameful act and a stupid act.
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Old 04-24-2004, 06:25 AM   #47
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he gave up 3.5 mill or so..

now he is dead his family are going to make a fortune

and yes, he was a true patriot in every sense of the word
Why will his family make a fortune?

And if they do, do u think it will make up for his loss?
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Old 04-24-2004, 06:30 AM   #48
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now he is dead his family are going to make a fortune

how did you arrive at that conclusion you worthless piece of pond scum?
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:19 AM   #49
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You got it, doc!
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:23 AM   #50
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Giving up a fat payday is nothing compared to the guys who gave up ever seeing their kids again or seeing their local K-Mart in their hometown...
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