hardly crying bro, i run a couple of TGP's myself and they are and will be part of the biz for a long time.
IMO we are giving away too much content for free, that does not mean tgp's are all bad and that without tgp's all our problems will be solved.
The sole purpose of my TGP is to make me money, not the galley submitters. I just use all those free galleries to get surfers, so i can sell advertising and traffic. Thats how it works guys, get over it....
Originally posted by AWW - Kevin hardly crying bro, i run a couple of TGP's myself and they are and will be part of the biz for a long time.
IMO we are giving away too much content for free, that does not mean tgp's are all bad and that without tgp's all our problems will be solved.
i know, i just found that pic and posted it in the first place i found
Originally posted by bringer i know, i just found that pic and posted it in the first place i found
It's all good
for those who complain about tgp's being all bad...TGP's / free porn is what brings most porn surfers to the internet in the first place. If there was no free porn (tgp's) they'd all be buying penthouse magazines and hiring xxx movies at the local video shop.
for those who complain about tgp's being all bad...TGP's / free porn is what brings most porn surfers to the internet in the first place. If there was no free porn (tgp's) they'd all be buying penthouse magazines and hiring xxx movies at the local video shop.
I doubt anybody here (and in other threads about this topic) has anything against tgp's itself, it's the amount of free porn (per gallery) that is given away. Free porn will be here forever and this is ok, free samples are important for every business. But the amount of free porn which is easily available today isn't doing a good thing to this business.
People are still buying porn online searching our TGP sites, but look long and ask yourself would you pay 10, 20 or 30 bucks a month to look at content when you see what is for free?
Originally posted by Rick Latona I don't think it is killing the industry. P2P file sharing is a bigger threat. People go to TGPs to watch commercials. If they want more they have to buy. What's wrong with that?
Exactly .... P2P and free servers (don't ask me, I won't tell you) allow users to leech all day long without paying a dime.
I know someone who isn't a webmaster, but he signs up as an affiliate everywhere to get the free promo content. He puts in fake info and a site that isn't his. He figured it out on his own too.
I wonder how widespread that is?
Maybe programs should make it a policy that your email be on the same domain your site is. Then verify the site is adult. That would stop non-webmasters from getting in.
Originally posted by the Shemp The sole purpose of my TGP is to make me money, not the galley submitters. I just use all those free galleries to get surfers, so i can sell advertising and traffic. Thats how it works guys, get over it....
for those who complain about tgp's being all bad...TGP's / free porn is what brings most porn surfers to the internet in the first place. If there was no free porn (tgp's) they'd all be buying penthouse magazines and hiring xxx movies at the local video shop.
TGP's were bolstered as major sponsor programs abandoned giving away free content on there tours.
Thus TGP's really had a place in the industry.
I good tour has free content already and if your smart you update that tour often to show traffic that the site is "Always new".
The engineering in tours has changed to contain content alot lately, I see it more and more anyways.
In hindsite ya can go back to circa 1995 and recall Intertain Inc, and Intergal they had huge tours complete with photos and video clips.
Later Danni's kicked in with a portal concept tour for her traffic.
The above 3 were goliaths and 1 still stands with the same concept and celebrates extraordinary success.
That art has been lost under the assumption that it is better to throw content to webmasters for use on TGP's and free sites.
How it became a staple standard in the marketing arsonal of affiliate systems I really do not know as the content gets blown out and chewed down at far faster rates.
Thus it effectively breaks down the value of the content's shelflife and consequencely over all value.
I personally do not think TGP's are a necessity in advertising.
Those of you who think we would all make more money if there were no TGP's need to think again.
YOU wouldn't make more money, but the search engines would make a fuck of a lot more money.
If there were no TGP's or other sources of free content then the freeloaders wouldn't have anywhere to jerk off, I'll grant you that.
But there are still plenty of buyers on the web, and ALOT of them surf TGP's on a regular basis. If there were no free sites for them to bookmark then they'd go looking through the search engines to find a paysite to join, which makes the search engine money, not YOU.
If you see a TGP that gives away 60 seconds of free video or 15-20 thumbnailed pictures as competition to your paysite, then your paysite must really suck.
Originally posted by Alex From San Diego You are correct Soul. Whether you pay for a listing or try to submit, if your gallery "Looks like an advertisement" or "not enough content" you get denied. I started in this biz doing galleries and did quite well but over the years my money is in PPC and SE listings. I'll do 10 times the joins per day as any top notch tgp submitter does.
What it boils down to is, how you e*x*e*c*u*t*e you your business model. Free porn is here to stay....If you don't adapt, you just might be passed on by never to catch up.
yes, exactly. That's obvious by rules like "all pics must be in centered table" and so on. I think many tgp webmasters still haven't understood how their traffic works and if could, they would only list galleries with no ads at all.
I don't think tgps are killing the bizz, if the bizz is dying it is because now we have more to offer and some people doesn't know how to sell it instead of burn this game...
there are space for everyone, just a little of respect and clear rules before to start.
I don't think all the tgp webmasters understand what they are doing, tgp just happens to be the easiest entry point into adult webmastering.
However, there are some very high-level tgp guys, so the ratio of "elite" to novice is very low in tgp, so everybody complains about the tgp guys who don't have a clue...and just think they are out there to give away as much free porn as possible.
Originally posted by the Shemp The sole purpose of my TGP is to make me money, not the galley submitters. I just use all those free galleries to get surfers, so i can sell advertising and traffic. Thats how it works guys, get over it....
Why not look at the situation from this point:
TGPs exist in not a fantasy world. They follow the same rules as any other aspect of this business. So it's all about profit and expences.
Will it be reasonable to post in TGPs if your profit does not cover bandwith costs or if you have more profitable way to go? And how long TGPs will exist without fresh galleries every day? Since we do not see anything like TGP dieing currently it tells of one thing only: TGP posting is profitable.
Not for everyone of course - nobody can give any kind of guarantee that your efforts will be repaid. That's the matter of content quality and selection as well as your marketing talents.
TGPs were inevitable because of growing competition and they play their role in business - otherwise they just would not appear. So they are neither good nor bad themselve - they appeared by objective reasons and only objective reasons can get them disappeared or change business model. No whinings or complaints can help. We just have to live with that if we want to stay in business.
Just because of that I'd not say TGPs are killing the biz. Let's remember how many programs were running in 97-99 and compare with current numbers. Let's consider most of later surfers are not from US but they surf our sites as well. Let's consider newer chargeback rules and scrubbing followed by them. So... do you still insist that TGPs are the main reason of ratios go down?
The Only Reason
Tgp's may be Dragging Down the industry Is The Dumb Fucks That Post All Thier Best Pics On A Gallery
If Everyone Would Post Galleries Where The model Strips For the 1st 10 Pics Then Finally Shows All At The Last 5-10 Pics
Everything Would Be Fine
Every Day I See Dumb Fucks Posting The Entire Series Of Pics Showing All.
You Have To Give The Surfer A Reason To Join And See The Rest Of The set The Pics Where the model Shows all Ect.
Many Many Times I Have Seen Dumb Assed Webmasters
Post Thier Whole Members Area Free To Tgp's!
ideally but i've had my galleries rejected for not enough nudity. i think gallery submitters want to give away less but the tgp owners keep demanding more and more of a gallery. i say this only having done galleries for a few months, the return wasn't worth it for me.
you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..
2 years ago this TGP killing the business argument was a good one. Now, with broadband surfers making up such a large part of the signups, TGP's are as Rick said 'Just a commercial.' Picture galleries are no more than big ads now.
As long as no one regularly starts posting videos longer than 20 seconds we will be ok. Anyone that does that should be shot. I know a lot of big MGP owners that won't allow large movies to be added to their pool. Hopefully everyone else is on the same page with this.
Although, ratios would be incredible with no free porn out there. I don't think anyone could argue that.
Elephant list and such want a minimum of 4 movies.
4 x 20 seconds each....
Soon, if I have to compete with more submitters, I will raise it to 4 x 30 seconds each, 2.2 or so megs per file. Free!
Hey, it's the TGPs asking the submitters for more now!
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