Just_Dave

Heres a good link dedicated to remembrance of the victims of the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by Ottoman Empire.

http://www.genocide1915.info/

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Just_Dave

Just taught i can share it with people who haven't heard about it .

WWC-Moe B.

I hear you brother...

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asuna

thanks, got some reading to do

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Just_Dave

thanks for the support guys

mailman

yeah not good stuff!

thanks for the link dave...

VMAN

STFU you ignorant fool!

xxxdesign-net

it isnt said on the site how the genocide ended.... anybody knows..?

hottoddy

Are you Armenian? I only ask because about 80% of the names in the Glendale white pages end in "-ian"

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nemesis

fake drama. There is no amernian genocide.

Jaden

I went to go see a play about 4 years ago titled "9 Armenians" about this very subject. Was incredibly powerful, and have to say has stayed with me. I was amazed because it was something so huge and had never heard of it......Worth taking the time to learn more about.....

Just_Dave

here is another link for you to check out
http://www.theforgotten.org/site/intro_eng.html

junction

System of a Down are all Armenian, and put on a benefit concert every year to raise awareness to the issue, as well as raise money for the cause. The show is tomorrow night at the Greek here in LA.

If any of you are will be there, let me know.

nemesis

It is not heard of and it is not in the history books because it does not exist. It was a war between Turks and Armenians started after the betrayal of the armenians to the Ottoman Empire. Armenians started it and lost a lot of people during the war. Now armenians are trying the get the whole world to recognize a war as a genocide in order to gain sympathy from the world.

Just_Dave

Here is a great Quote from William Saroyan


?I should like to see any power in this world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people whose wars have been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, whose literature is unread, whose music is unheard and whose prayers are no more answered. Go ahead, destroy this race! Destroy Armenia! See if you can do it. Send them away from their homes into the desert. Let them have neither bread or water. Burn their homes and churches. Then, see if they will not live again, see if they will not sing and pray again. For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a New Armenia.?

alan-l

Yeah, sad stuff, all those people, women, kids, old people walking thru a dessert... one of the ugliest episodes in human history

WWC-Moe B.

Yes I am Armenian... My office is in Glendale....I live in Burbank

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nemesis

I can post a lot of links stating opposite of the sites you posted. Historians do not accept the Turkish armenian war as a genocide. Forcing the armenian populated countries to accept a war as a genocide 100 years later will get you nowhere.

move on

Ironhorse

Despite the horrors and historically recorded misdeeds of its nasty neighbors, the Armenians continue to carve their spot in the world. Hats off

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nemesis

Who is William Saroyan?

Can you tell me how the problems between armenians and Turks started? and by who ?

hottoddy

I dated an Armenian girl in high school for a while - she was very hot. Her last name was Ohanessian. Her father only wanted her to associate with other Armenians. Oh well ... I saw her many years later and her ass got fat.

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nemesis

They have not written that part yet. lol

xxxdesign-net

idiot... 1,5 million armenians died during this "war" .. how many Turks ?! Get a clue... and oh btw... was the massacre of hundred of thousands of women and children a legitimate defense against the ô so mighty armenians...!??? lol

As for the betrayal ..? lol.... now make up your mind... did the Turks killed 1,5 millions of them because they somehow betrayed the Ottoman Empire or is it because the armenians started a full blown war against them!??

The canadian government recgonised the genocide... Peter Jennings, one of the most credible journalist around talked about a genocide... Who do you have to back you up? The Turkish government!? LOL

WWC-Moe B.

With you all the way!!! Could'nt have said it any better

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Just_Dave

He was a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and playwright. You can learn more about him here if you would like . http://www.williamsaroyansociety.org/index.html

nemesis

How many of those people at canadian government are hostorians? Why would politicians recognise a so called genocide when historians deny it. If there was such a genocide why the fuck it takes 100 years recogniseit
. It is Bs, you know it. No need to play dirty games, you aren't getting any money & land ever.

Just_Dave

check out this link and see how many of our past presidents recognized it

http://www.genocide1915.info/quotations.asp

MetaMan

the only tradgedies people think exist are those that r jewish.

WWC-Moe B.

What do you know??? Other than creating an argument... Relax and learn...

Thanks!!!

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xxxdesign-net

lol... you are a joke.. if the canadian government recognised it it is because they have consulted with expert/historians and came to that conclusion...

Btw.. you talk about historians... could you name them.. is any of them NOT Turkish?

And as for taken 100 years... thats why its called the forgotten genocide... it was ignored for so long... and it took alot of time and research to uncover the facts... which happened in a foreign country.. If the Rwanda genocide would have happened in 1915... we probably would not even know about it now...

nemesis

Let's put it this way. A muslim populated country commit a genocide againist christians and kill 1,5 million of them. And all those christian countries do not even mention it in the history books. All of a sudden 100 years later, armenians claim that there is actually a genocide, deny to leave it to the historians and push it to the government of the countries that have some armenian population. Could you please tell me how it is possible that every other war in the history is in the fucking history books, but a genocide which took away 1,5 million christians life is not?

Your nation is so dirty that you want to make money and benefit of a lost war and betrayal after 100 years. History cannot be re written, armenian genocide might be recognized by some of the armenian populated countries but it will never make it to the history books and you won't get shit.

jojojo

shit that is fucked up I had no idea this ever took place... thanks for sharing

Fucking rape, torture, starvation, and clearly these turks liked to decapitate people

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WWC-Moe B.

nemesis, can you tell me where you got the idea the Armenians are asking for land and money???

You dont even know what they are asking for and you keep on mentioning land and money...

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nemesis

That's your next step, and why this war took place 100 years ago? Because you guys dreamed of having your own country when you were living under the Ottoman Empire. You betrayed Turks who gave you more rights than any other community living under the empire. It was a pointless attempt turned to bloody war.

Also, did you know that Israil, a nation who is probable the most sensitive when it comes to genocides, denied it. Israil foreign minister Simon Peres said it is best to leave it to historians than pushing it to the governments of the armenian populated countries.

Lev

I knew that this dumb brainwashed Turk would post in this thread. Okay, I proved to you once, I will do it again, since you Turks have no brains.

First of all, the Armenian Genocide maybe is not in your textbooks, but it is surely in the textbooks of 15+ countries who officially recognized the Armenian Genocide, which include Russia, France, Argentina, Swiss Parliament, Italy and yesterday Canada also joined this growing list.

Denying the Armenian Genocide is the same as saying that the Jewish Holocost did not happen. The Armenian Genocide has been accepted by many historians around the world, including world famous genocide historians like Mr. Bauer, and Samantha Power. Also several Turkish historians accept it, if you don't believe me go search.

Armenians did not start any war nor did they turn against the Turks. Armenians are very loyal people, we tried to support the Ottoman Empire, but all we got is more people being killed and deported, so what do you suppose we were left to do?

We are not trying to get symphaty from the world, what we are trying to do is to make the world and narrow minded people like you to recognize the sufferings of our ancestors. We are a proud people and we certainly do not need any sympathies, especially from people like you.


So I recommend you, before opening your pie hole, have something intelligent and original to say, instead of repeating the same old bullshit that you were saying a year ago. Hope you burn in hell my "turkish" friend, because people like you sure deserve it.

Here is a VIDEO from ABC, which made a short segment on the Armenian Genocide:


Click Here for the Video

nemesis

I don't remember who you are and what you did prove. I already posted my thoughts on the subject, all this whinning will not get you anywhere just like your betrayal. But sure you guys got free advertisment of this thread

Mr. Marks

You truly are ignorant. Saroyan was one of the best novelists in the UK in the 20's to 40's. He was Armenian.

Lev

What are you talking about? You are truly an idiont. During the genocide there were 4 superpowers, Great Britain, Russia, France and Germany. And two of those countries accepted the Armenian Genocide and you can surely find the term "Genocide" in their history books when describing the attrocities committed by the Turks towards Armenias.

Not 100 years later. Armenians from the day of the genocide are trying so the world would recognize this horrible day in history.
In fact governments would not accept the genocide if it was not proven by historians and if lots of research had not been done on the subject. All the countries which accepted it, despite the dirty efforts of the Turkish government to stop it and re-hahahahaha history, did they homework and decided that this event is a genocide.


The Armenian Genocide is in books. Stop reading turkish government propaganda books.

You dumbass we do not want shit, we would spit in your dirty Turkish faces than take anything from you people. You are nothing but a mix of Mongols, Kurds, Persians and god knows who. You were a barbaric and animal-like people and will always be like that. Like you were jelous of us before, you are still jelous now.
As soon as the United States accepts the Armenian Genocide, Turkey will be on its knees sucking our cocks and kissing our asses, wait and see.

Lev

If you have any intellect, lets debate. I took a course on Turkish history in college and also on the Armenian Genocide, so I know very well your history and the Armenian Genocide from your point of view and I am ready to debate you, but too bad you do not have a case like your country. Your inferior intellect stands in your way my friend. You say no historian accepts the Armenian Genocide. Well, I have a huge surprise to you, here is a book by a well known Turkish historian, who publicly accepts the Armenian Genocide. Ironic huh? The author's name is Taner Akçam and the name of the book is "From Empire to Republic: Turkish Nationalism and the Armenian Genocide"

http://www.zoryan.org/Table_Of_Conte...for_sale.shtml

WWC-Moe B.

Right on brother!!!! don't waste your energy on idiots like that...

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Lev

That was our own country dumbass. Do you read history? Those lands belonged to us 3000 years ago, when your people were discovering fire and eating each other. Eastern Anatolia was historically Armenian untill it was invaded by the Ottomans. We did not betray the Turks, Turks betrayed us. How did you betray the Turks? Yes we had rights under the Ottoman Empire, but those rights suddenly dissapeared when the Young Turks came to power. Suddenly we were being killed and deported for the sake of building a all-Turkish state.

Dumbass, Israel denies the Armenian Genocide not because it believes it did not happen, but because Israel is in the same dirty bed as Turkey. Turkey is the only muslim country who is friends with Israel and ofcourse Simon Peres is going to say that, because Israel can not afford to loose Turkey as an ally.
DID YOU GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK AND BRAINWASHED HEAD DOOFUS?

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VeriSexy

What are you talking about?

http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/arme.e.html

The massacres of the Armenians in Turkey were quite frequent and extensive in the last hundred years. The Armenians were the scapegoat of the Turks during this period of rapid decline of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. The Armenians were also punished for their ability to be good business-men; and, for being a christian nationality that worked hard and managed to prosper even under the oppreasive Turkish administration. The Turks could never forgive such qualities.


The massacres were systematic and repeated in order to eliminate the entire Armenian minority and also create vital space for the future development of the Turks.


Turkey was never ab1e to assimilate the different nationalities which were part of the empire. Therefore, it became a matter of historical record, the slaughter of the various minorities throughout the empire, in order to achieve this goal of a pure national state. Within this political framework the Armenians have paid perhaps the greateat share of blood tax as one can see in the chronological index of this publication.


One can sunmarise the genocide of the Armenian nation by giving the figure of 300.000 dead during the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamid and 1.500.000 killed during World War I (encyclopedia LAROUSSE). Countless others were crippled or listed aa missing. The Turkish State used every criminal method in order to complete this genocide : Oppression, hunger, thirst, walking without stop, murder, rape, fire, cold, heat, sword. Everything that could exterminate this innocent people whose only crime was their Armenian Nationality, was used by the barbarian Turks. We are not referring to those Armenians who were killed fighting the Turks in the battle-fields during their revolution, but to the non-combatants, auch as women, children, the sick and the old who perished during this period.


Unfortunately, these Turkish crimes have remained unpunished. An International Court has not condemned the holocaust of an entire nation to this date, and this impunity has permitted the Turks to repeat similar crimes against the Greek inhabitants of Asia Minor, the Syrian orthodox people and recently, against the Cypriota.


The impunity of the assassins of the Armenian people became the inspiration to the Nazis in using similar methods of genocide against the Jews, the Poles, the Rusaiana and the other nationalities.


<<Who remembers the Armenian Genocide?>> said Hilter to justify these latter crimes.


The Armenian genocide still awaits its <<Nuremberg trials>>. The impunity of the Turks undermines the concept of International Justice and Moral Law and is an offense against any civilised man on earth.


We ask that the punishment for the crime of. genocide and the liberation of the Armenian land which is enslaved by Turkey is impIemented by recognising the validity of the Treaty of Sevrea by the United Nations.


We ask for your help for the realisation of this project, which is just and sacred.

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Like MSN?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2099328/

Can Armenians remember genocide without ignoring the future?


Every year on April 24, people of Armenian descent organize blood drives, picket Turkish embassies, and celebrate special church services to commemorate the anniversary of the 1915 arrest of several hundred prominent Armenians in Constantinople, which was the beginning of the genocide in which an estimated 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered by Ottoman Turks between 1915 and 1923.

The Turkish government, meanwhile, calls the loss of life "a grim story of serious inter-communal conflict, perpetrated by both Christian and Muslim irregular forces, complicated by disease, famine, and many other of war's privations." And it emphatically denies that what happened nearly nine decades ago was genocide.

What may sound like a discussion more suited to the likes of Noah Webster is a sharp stick in the eye of Turkey, and an obsession for people with roots in Armenia, a Maryland-sized country in the Caucasus at the crossroads of Europe, the Middle East, and the former Soviet Union. The endless arguments over the implications of nomenclature contribute to heightened passions in a region that is already a geopolitical tinderbox. The debate over whether what happened was genocide or simply a series of wartime deaths that had no ethnic motivation makes American battles over, say, abortion or gun control seem by comparison like minor disagreements to be settled over tea and biscuits.

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Mikey_219Inc

good link - thanks

and the us pays turkey thru the nose so we can invade iraq. ridiculous. im not very well educated on the armenian genocide although im aware that it took place. i guess if there were billions of armenian voters in the US we would be having a camp david every other year there also. i like living in the usa but its obvious the politicians only give a shit about what is going to get them elected. not that this is a surprise to anyone. i personally love this time of year - all the bullshit flowing out of the candidates mouths - pure entertainment.

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you are a dumb uneducated piece of shit!!
fuck off!!!

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